Players Revolt in the papers

[patrickblue]

Robinho was on his way but it ended up with Wayne Bridge protesting on his own & getting the piss taken out of him.

It's wasted on here.
Made me laugh though.

[thegoatfeeder]

Anyone suggesting that Bellamy being picked is based on relationship with the manager rather than the fact he has easily been our best outfield player this season is surely on the wind up. Also after yesterdays game to drop RSC would be criminal if the other option was Adebayor, we have to pick players based on how they are playing, NOT on who is supposedly a better player.

[Blackadder2]

Robinho was on his way but it ended up with Wayne Bridge protesting on his own & getting the piss taken out of him.

It's wasted on here.
Made me laugh though.

Wasted on me, right over my head...

[OliverHardy]

will all be forgotten, at the end of the day it isnt hughes thats making it possible for them to buy bling watches, big ass Cheshire houses and pink seated Bentley's is it.

[zuricity]

I can't believe that Given would be involved, 'charging out of the dressing room' the guy doesn't charge anywhere. He stays rooted to his line.

Seriously, what games do you actually watch?

Only missed one so far this season. I can't believe how Given stays rooted to his line. He has been great at stopping shots though that's true and recently he's been a dab hand at penalties. Wha'ts your problem ? His lack of command of the box and his awful kicking causes us very many defensive and possesional problems.

[Socrates]

NOPE this entire story is bullshit, "they marched out of the dressing room and confronted kaldoon and cook" what is this a fucking tom cruise movie was heal the world being played in the background while this was happening, did cook have to call security to drag the players from the boardroom in slow motion, did one of them turn round at the door and shout "THIS ISNT OVER COOK, YOU HEAR ME IIIIIIIIIIIT'S NOT OOOOVVVER"

FUCK OFF I ACTUALLY BELEIVE MY VERSION MORE AND I KNOW FOR A FACT I JUST MADE IT UP HA

lovely post, laughing my bottom off :@)

[MARKMAKAVELI]

I'm sure some of them are shitting themselves. From now on results will be expected and being best mates with manager will guarantee nothing.

For fucks sake let it drop, Hughes has gone and the manager you wanted in the first place has been brought in. You don't have to carry on the fucking snide digs at Hughes any more.

Which player has been played regularly based on being "best mates with the manager"? Santa Cruz has only started 2 games (and scored 3 goals in those games) and I'm assuming/hoping that you aren't referring to Bellamy??

Quoted for agreement, sick of it.

[Original Dub]

I can't believe that Given would be involved, 'charging out of the dressing room' the guy doesn't charge anywhere. He stays rooted to his line.

Seriously, what games do you actually watch?

Only missed one so far this season. I can't believe how Given stays rooted to his line. He has been great at stopping shots though that's true and recently he's been a dab hand at penalties. Wha'ts your problem ? His lack of command of the box and his awful kicking causes us very many defensive and possesional problems.

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ha.

[ian494]

I can't believe that Given would be involved, 'charging out of the dressing room' the guy doesn't charge anywhere. He stays rooted to his line.

Seriously, what games do you actually watch?

Only missed one so far this season. I can't believe how Given stays rooted to his line. He has been great at stopping shots though that's true and recently he's been a dab hand at penalties. Wha'ts your problem ? His lack of command of the box and his awful kicking causes us very many defensive and possesional problems.

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ha.

+1

wtf???

[Socrates]

Hmmmm. Zuric may have a point though. It's a conundrum with Given. The eyes tell you one thing but the number of goals per game conceded (both for us and the barcodes) and the poor form of previously good and subsequently good defenders tell you another! I find it very confusing and am not sure.

[ant london]

Hmmmm. Zuric may have a point though. It's a conundrum with Given. The eyes tell you one thing but the number of goals per game conceded (both for us and the barcodes) and the poor form of previously good and subsequently good defenders tell you another! I find it very confusing and am not sure.

He's a great keeper but he doesn't come for things around the edge of his 6 yard box much....we knew that when we signed him though and he has lots to his game that other (physically more imposing) keepers who DO come off their lines more don't have.

Him staying on the line is not a problem when the centre halves are performing and they are dominating the aerial threat in the area in front of goal

However, they are failing to do so miserably at present and that is leaving a lot of balls dangerously open between their backs and Shay's line (...where he is often to be found) and this space and open ball is what is leading to too many goals

It's a defensive issue more than a goalkeeping one IMO

[sweenyuk]

I can't believe that Given would be involved, 'charging out of the dressing room' the guy doesn't charge anywhere. He stays rooted to his line.

Seriously, what games do you actually watch?

Only missed one so far this season. I can't believe how Given stays rooted to his line. He has been great at stopping shots though that's true and recently he's been a dab hand at penalties. Wha'ts your problem ? His lack of command of the box and his awful kicking causes us very many defensive and possesional problems.

I am just not a Given fan either. I sit in the south stand so see him from close by. He didn't manage to keep clean sheets at Newcastle and he is not doing it for us either. He is a good shot stopper with very spectacular saves, but the best goalies don't need to dive around, they stand in the right place and just pluck the ball out of the air. 3 goals conceeded against the worst Sunderland side I have ever seen, show that we can only win if our attack score 4 times. His distribution is pathetic. Look at the League Hart has got Birmingham flying and Dunn is keep Villa above us. leading Our problems this season are the bloke in the goal not being a leader and the defence not having confidence in him

[carl_feedthegoat]

I can't believe that Given would be involved, 'charging out of the dressing room' the guy doesn't charge anywhere. He stays rooted to his line.

Seriously, what games do you actually watch?

Only missed one so far this season. I can't believe how Given stays rooted to his line. He has been great at stopping shots though that's true and recently he's been a dab hand at penalties. Wha'ts your problem ? His lack of command of the box and his awful kicking causes us very many defensive and possesional problems.

I am just not a Given fan either. I sit in the south stand so see him from close by. He didn't manage to keep clean sheets at Newcastle and he is not doing it for us either. He is a good shot stopper with very spectacular saves, but the best goalies don't need to dive around, they stand in the right place and just pluck the ball out of the air. 3 goals conceeded against the worst Sunderland side I have ever seen, show that we can only win if our attack score 4 times. His distribution is pathetic. Look at the League Hart has got Birmingham flying and Dunn is keep Villa above us. leading Our problems this season are the bloke in the goal not being a leader and the defence not having confidence in him

THE GOALIE IS AS GOOD AS HIS DEFENSE IS AND OUR DEFENSE HAS BEEN TERRIBLE.........I THINK A SMALL % OF GOALS CONCEDED HAS BEEN GIVENS FAULT BUT THE MAJORITY HAS BEEN DOWN TO HIS SHITE DEFENSE...HE HAD NO CHANCE WITH MOST OF THE GOALS CONCEDED.

I RATE GIVEN AND THINK HE,S ONE OF THE BEST GOALIES IN WORLD FOOTBALL.

[zuricity]

I see your point carl, but the goalie is part of the defence. I think he had time enough yesterday to try and punch the ball when they scored their first goal. Corrigan would have done that. Perhaps it's a modern goalie trait to be reactionary on the line. Personally I like to see a goalie take the ball and the player out , so the player is reminded that the shouldn't mess around in the City six yard box.

[david yearsley]

I see your point carl, but the goalie is part of the defence. I think he had time enough yesterday to try and punch the ball when they scored their first goal. Corrigan would have done that. Perhaps it's a modern goalie trait to be reactionary on the line. Personally I like to see a goalie take the ball and the player out , so the player is reminded that the shouldn't mess around in the City six yard box.

I´ve seen more than a few occasions this season when big Joe would have plucked crosses out of the air no probs - VDS never hesitates to come out although he is taller - maybe Shay has a bit of a complex over his perceived lack of height? Dunno - not slagging Given off but it is a bit of an issue imo

[CitizenYank]

Doubt this will last long, the players bitching are transfers and high priced beef at that.
This isn't Bremner and Co. rebelling against Brian Clough in a 44 day stand off....

My bet is that Mancini comes in and calms the shipmates.

[zuricity]

I see your point carl, but the goalie is part of the defence. I think he had time enough yesterday to try and punch the ball when they scored their first goal. Corrigan would have done that. Perhaps it's a modern goalie trait to be reactionary on the line. Personally I like to see a goalie take the ball and the player out , so the player is reminded that the shouldn't mess around in the City six yard box.

I´ve seen more than a few occasions this season when big Joe would have plucked crosses out of the air no probs - VDS never hesitates to come out although he is taller - maybe Shay has a bit of a complex over his perceived lack of height? Dunno - not slagging Given off but it is a bit of an issue imo

Exactly, the more the goalkeeper masters his area the more confidence a player has, knowing not to try and impede an attacker or foul an attacker even, because the goalie has that extra two to three feet height when jumping. The key to a good defender is to not allow the attacker the capability to jump to the ball, ie legally impede his access to the ball,(especially if the defender can get his head to the ball as well). However, it is of utmost importance for the goalie to dominate and most certainly the six yard box, if not the entire penalty area. Joe Hart is getting better at this, Schmeichel (father) was great at this. btw Nielson in the youngsters has no problem with this (well from what I've seen of him, not much I admit).

[stinky pete]

i was on the fence about hughes and thought he deserved more time untill end of the season at least. the way the board sacked him was a disgrace, thought sorry for him yesterday when i saw him leave the pitch. mancini will come on the pitch on boxing day and how many people will clap and cheer?the players have to remember the fans and play for them which they haven,t done sometimes this season and it is them who have got the manager sacked!

[blues-clues]

I see your point carl, but the goalie is part of the defence. I think he had time enough yesterday to try and punch the ball when they scored their first goal. Corrigan would have done that. Perhaps it's a modern goalie trait to be reactionary on the line. Personally I like to see a goalie take the ball and the player out , so the player is reminded that the shouldn't mess around in the City six yard box.

I´ve seen more than a few occasions this season when big Joe would have plucked crosses out of the air no probs - VDS never hesitates to come out although he is taller - maybe Shay has a bit of a complex over his perceived lack of height? Dunno - not slagging Given off but it is a bit of an issue imo

Exactly, the more the goalkeeper masters his area the more confidence a player has, knowing not to try and impede an attacker or foul an attacker even, because the goalie has that extra two to three feet height when jumping. The key to a good defender is to not allow the attacker the capability to jump to the ball, ie legally impede his access to the ball,(especially if the defender can get his head to the ball as well). However, it is of utmost importance for the goalie to dominate and most certainly the six yard box, if not the entire penalty area. Joe Hart is getting better at this, Schmeichel (father) was great at this. btw Nielson in the youngsters has no problem with this (well from what I've seen of him, not much I admit).

This thread seems to have split in two but the goalie thread is interesting. There is not a right way and a wrong way of goal keeping when it comes to commanding the area. Either the goalie does it or the central defenders do it. At the moment our pnealty box is there for the taking because neither Toure, Lescott or Given are in charge. The easy target in this respect is Given becuase other goalies take responsibility for their area but if he cannot or will not do it then it us to the defensive coaches to make sure that someone else is doing the job. We confuse the issue further by giving Ade the job of getting his head to the first ball. great if it works but it means we are not giving our defence responsibility and that may be why it they have not yet formed a solid unit with the sort of understanding a really tight defence needs.

[Fidel Castro]

Given is one of the best SHOT STOPPERS in world football. Not one of the best goalkeepers though (he is good just not world-class). Zuric made some good points, a goalkeeper is part of the defence. Just look at the Henry handball goal, that's a typical 'Given' goal. Yes, it was handball and should never have counted but Given didn't look great either did he?