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by Wonderwall » Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:38 pm
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:Wonderwall wrote:Foreverinbluedreams wrote:What's the craic with Wabara? Seems to have gone totally off radar.
he was on loan at Doncaster but that ended in January, he is back at the club now, he is in the recent squad picture with Kevin Hart when he visited the club
Thanks, I take it he's not going to force his way into the senior squad then?
that is the problem we are facing as a club with the direction that Soriano and Berigistain are taking us. We are going to to toe with the worlds elite clubs, therefore we need the top top players. Its no good just being a decent footballer anymore, you need to be exceptional. The only way to achieve this in the future is to actively scout the new talent coming through and nurture them through the ranks into one of the best players in the world at their chosen position (the holistic vision). They should be able to seamlessly transition into the first team and continue to play the way they have been taught but at a higher level of competition.
It will be a long time before this vision will bear fruit, its the short term I am more worried about with the english exodus leaving us short as a squad.
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by Foreverinbluedreams » Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:39 pm
BlueinBosnia wrote:Dubciteh wrote:So was he in the matchday squad at all? I did see pics of Boyata...if he was injured still should of been there Jovetic was there.
He was taking advantage of the opportunity to find where Jovetic keeps his stash, I heard...
That must be why he's looking so heavy then, the munchies, it's all starting to add up know.
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by Bridge'srightfoot » Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:58 pm
Wonderwall wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:
He says he didn't beef himself up.
It took him a full season to recover from injury under Hughes, & his attitude seemed questionable too.
Imo, he was absolutely fine under Mancini & probably better then Zabba when fully fit. But his fitness seems to disappear if he has a few injuries. I imagine the Count is currently assessing whether he gets a new contract or not.
I am a little worried about all the english players on the fringe now, how are we going to make the quota that we need to.
Lescott is going,
Richards doesnt seem content,
Milner cant exactly be ecstatic at being a bench warmer when he would start at most teams.
Rodwell is always injured and not a starter when fit
Bary is going
Sinclair is also going
We are in the shit TBH, we need to get some in but who? Not being funny but English players are crap.
I would only look at the following players
Luke Shaw
Gary cahill
Ross Barkley
Adam Lallana
Ravel Morrison?
I think Shaw and Barkley would be excellent additions. Lallana's good but imo not going to replace Silva or Nasri. I'd have Sturridge back but that's not going to happen. We would also imo have to look to push through some youngsters next season like Lopes or maybe Cole for quota.
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by lets all have a disco » Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:08 pm
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Wonderwall wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:
He says he didn't beef himself up.
It took him a full season to recover from injury under Hughes, & his attitude seemed questionable too.
Imo, he was absolutely fine under Mancini & probably better then Zabba when fully fit. But his fitness seems to disappear if he has a few injuries. I imagine the Count is currently assessing whether he gets a new contract or not.
I am a little worried about all the english players on the fringe now, how are we going to make the quota that we need to.
Lescott is going,
Richards doesnt seem content,
Milner cant exactly be ecstatic at being a bench warmer when he would start at most teams.
Rodwell is always injured and not a starter when fit
Bary is going
Sinclair is also going
We are in the shit TBH, we need to get some in but who? Not being funny but English players are crap.
I would only look at the following players
Luke Shaw
Gary cahill
Ross Barkley
Adam Lallana
Ravel Morrison?
I think Shaw and Barkley would be excellent additions. Lallana's good but imo not going to replace Silva or Nasri. I'd have Sturridge back but that's not going to happen. We would also imo have to look to push through some youngsters next season like
Lopes or maybe Cole for quota.
Exactly
Lopes
Cole
Huws
Rekik
These lads will be in the squad and will fill the 'homegrown' quota.
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by Wonderwall » Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:17 pm
lets all have a disco wrote:Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Wonderwall wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:
He says he didn't beef himself up.
It took him a full season to recover from injury under Hughes, & his attitude seemed questionable too.
Imo, he was absolutely fine under Mancini & probably better then Zabba when fully fit. But his fitness seems to disappear if he has a few injuries. I imagine the Count is currently assessing whether he gets a new contract or not.
I am a little worried about all the english players on the fringe now, how are we going to make the quota that we need to.
Lescott is going,
Richards doesnt seem content,
Milner cant exactly be ecstatic at being a bench warmer when he would start at most teams.
Rodwell is always injured and not a starter when fit
Bary is going
Sinclair is also going
We are in the shit TBH, we need to get some in but who? Not being funny but English players are crap.
I would only look at the following players
Luke Shaw
Gary cahill
Ross Barkley
Adam Lallana
Ravel Morrison?
I think Shaw and Barkley would be excellent additions. Lallana's good but imo not going to replace Silva or Nasri. I'd have Sturridge back but that's not going to happen. We would also imo have to look to push through some youngsters next season like
Lopes or maybe Cole for quota.
Exactly
Lopes
Cole
Huws
Rekik
These lads will be in the squad and will fill the 'homegrown' quota.
this is the problem for me
Lescott, Richards, Milner, Rodwell and Barry are much better players than Lopes, Cole, Huws and Rekik as things are currently.
What we are doing is weakening our squad if we do that.we need to replace the outgoing ones with better quality.
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by Dameerto » Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:24 pm
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by ross.mcfc » Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:50 pm
Who would pay any money for a player who is made of glass?
A loan deal is the best option for all concerned. I still have a little faith that he deserves to play at the top table, if he goes out and plays well for 30 game a season we welcome him back with open arms. If he breaks down again or as I suspect, just look like another average right back then we cut our losses. Selling him now, on the cheap, could come back to haunt us.
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by phips » Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:22 pm
cant see Milner leaving. he said a few weeks ago he wants to stay and wants an extension...it could just be pandering though.
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by Foreverinbluedreams » Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:24 pm
phips wrote:cant see Milner leaving. he said a few weeks ago he wants to stay and wants an extension...it could just be pandering though.
Have you get the quotes? I'd like to hear what he had to say.
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by Wonderwall » Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:26 pm
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:phips wrote:cant see Milner leaving. he said a few weeks ago he wants to stay and wants an extension...it could just be pandering though.
Have you get the quotes? I'd like to hear what he had to say.
http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/ma ... 42012.html
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by Bridge'srightfoot » Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:31 pm
phips wrote:cant see Milner leaving. he said a few weeks ago he wants to stay and wants an extension...it could just be pandering though.
Milner unfortunately for him is good in a lot of positions, rather than excellent in one. He'll do a good job on either wing, defensive mdifield, attacking midfield, even fullback. He might even have a few excellent games in any of these positions but he doesn't consistently perform to a very high standard in any singular position.
He's a great squad player to have but I can't see him becoming a regular starter for us.
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by Ted Hughes » Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:37 pm
Wonderwall wrote:lets all have a disco wrote:Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Wonderwall wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:
He says he didn't beef himself up.
It took him a full season to recover from injury under Hughes, & his attitude seemed questionable too.
Imo, he was absolutely fine under Mancini & probably better then Zabba when fully fit. But his fitness seems to disappear if he has a few injuries. I imagine the Count is currently assessing whether he gets a new contract or not.
I am a little worried about all the english players on the fringe now, how are we going to make the quota that we need to.
Lescott is going,
Richards doesnt seem content,
Milner cant exactly be ecstatic at being a bench warmer when he would start at most teams.
Rodwell is always injured and not a starter when fit
Bary is going
Sinclair is also going
We are in the shit TBH, we need to get some in but who? Not being funny but English players are crap.
I would only look at the following players
Luke Shaw
Gary cahill
Ross Barkley
Adam Lallana
Ravel Morrison?
I think Shaw and Barkley would be excellent additions. Lallana's good but imo not going to replace Silva or Nasri. I'd have Sturridge back but that's not going to happen. We would also imo have to look to push through some youngsters next season like
Lopes or maybe Cole for quota.
Exactly
Lopes
Cole
Huws
Rekik
These lads will be in the squad and will fill the 'homegrown' quota.
this is the problem for me
Lescott, Richards, Milner, Rodwell and Barry are much better players than Lopes, Cole, Huws and Rekik as things are currently.
What we are doing is weakening our squad if we do that.we need to replace the outgoing ones with better quality.
According to the MUEN, we currently have one place left for a 'foreign' player, which DESPERATELY needs to be a central defender if Lescott is going. There are no English, nor academy players who are anywhere near good enough to take that spot next season.
Richards though imo is miles a better bet at cb than any English player we could currently sign for that job, or any of the current academy alternatives, so that is another reason not to get rid of him without really considering our situation.
Count is giving nothing away regarding that, says Richards has one year on his contract & now is not the time to talk about it .
I don't think either Rekik or Huws will be worthwhile first team players for City, & if we have to rely on either next season, I think we are in deep deep shit. Cole could become a player & Lopes probably will be, but both will be fringe players at best next season I would think.
We probably have one year of breathing space though, whilst the contracts of Richards & Milner come into discussion.
We could keep both, sign a cb, poss flog Dzeko & sign a key player there. Then maybe bring in someone like Barkley.
The biggest worry for me is Lescott going. We have no reliable partner/cover for VK once he goes.
Even if we sign a player who is the best young cb in the history of football, it might take him 2 seasons to settle into the Prem.
Lescott is an absolute dream of a player to have in the squad & no other British team in our position would ever let a player like that leave.
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by Foreverinbluedreams » Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:49 pm
Wonderwall wrote:Foreverinbluedreams wrote:phips wrote:cant see Milner leaving. he said a few weeks ago he wants to stay and wants an extension...it could just be pandering though.
Have you get the quotes? I'd like to hear what he had to say.
http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/ma ... 42012.html
Thanks.
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by The Original Special One » Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:41 pm
Ted Hughes wrote:According to the MUEN, we currently have one place left for a 'foreign' player, which DESPERATELY needs to be a central defender if Lescott is going. There are no English, nor academy players who are anywhere near good enough to take that spot next season.
Richards though imo is miles a better bet at cb than any English player we could currently sign for that job, or any of the current academy alternatives, so that is another reason not to get rid of him without really considering our situation.
Count is giving nothing away regarding that, says Richards has one year on his contract & now is not the time to talk about it .
I don't think either Rekik or Huws will be worthwhile first team players for City, & if we have to rely on either next season, I think we are in deep deep shit. Cole could become a player & Lopes probably will be, but both will be fringe players at best next season I would think.
We probably have one year of breathing space though, whilst the contracts of Richards & Milner come into discussion.
We could keep both, sign a cb, poss flog Dzeko & sign a key player there. Then maybe bring in someone like Barkley.
The biggest worry for me is Lescott going. We have no reliable partner/cover for VK once he goes.
Even if we sign a player who is the best young cb in the history of football, it might take him 2 seasons to settle into the Prem.
Lescott is an absolute dream of a player to have in the squad & no other British team in our position would ever let a player like that leave.
I'd like Lescott to stay; he probably realises now that he won't make the plane to Rio, even if Cahill picks up an injury.
But Richards has just become too much of an injury-magnet; though I'd love to be proved wrong, where he's concerned.
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by Green & Blue » Fri Mar 07, 2014 7:20 pm
I think he needs to be convinced to stay if at all possible.I'm sure thats what the club are trying to do but I don't think he's sticking about.
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by chef » Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:31 pm
shortagain wrote:john@staustell wrote:Could have been one of the best. Too many injuries and sometimes when he gets the chance, horrendous.
Big problem is the English player thing. Apart from Luke Shaw, who the hell is worth buying?
Not sure if they have to be English or rather have spent some years in development in English football or at the club. Think the number is 8 of these in your 25 or 17 foreigners maximum. You can add any number of U21 players of which we have several coming through but whether they can go all the way only time will tell. Southampton also have a guy at right back Chamberlain or something who looks very good, but would they let him go????
Clyne ,shaw, lallana ...( or just buy southampton). English quota met
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by Nickyboy » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:00 am
Micah goes to Liverpool in the summer and makes Woys first squad after the world cup... thats the way it goes!
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by Slim » Sat Mar 08, 2014 5:44 am
Ted Hughes wrote:According to the MUEN, we currently have one place left for a 'foreign' player, which DESPERATELY needs to be a central defender if Lescott is going. There are no English, nor academy players who are anywhere near good enough to take that spot next season.
Richards though imo is miles a better bet at cb than any English player we could currently sign for that job, or any of the current academy alternatives, so that is another reason not to get rid of him without really considering our situation.
Count is giving nothing away regarding that, says Richards has one year on his contract & now is not the time to talk about it .
I don't think either Rekik or Huws will be worthwhile first team players for City, & if we have to rely on either next season, I think we are in deep deep shit. Cole could become a player & Lopes probably will be, but both will be fringe players at best next season I would think.
We probably have one year of breathing space though, whilst the contracts of Richards & Milner come into discussion.
We could keep both, sign a cb, poss flog Dzeko & sign a key player there. Then maybe bring in someone like Barkley.
The biggest worry for me is Lescott going. We have no reliable partner/cover for VK once he goes.
Even if we sign a player who is the best young cb in the history of football, it might take him 2 seasons to settle into the Prem.
Lescott is an absolute dream of a player to have in the squad & no other British team in our position would ever let a player like that leave.
What if we were to buy Shaw for instance, ship Clichy or Kolarov. Two spots open for new defenders!
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by Foreverinbluedreams » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:58 am
Slim wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:According to the MUEN, we currently have one place left for a 'foreign' player, which DESPERATELY needs to be a central defender if Lescott is going. There are no English, nor academy players who are anywhere near good enough to take that spot next season.
Richards though imo is miles a better bet at cb than any English player we could currently sign for that job, or any of the current academy alternatives, so that is another reason not to get rid of him without really considering our situation.
Count is giving nothing away regarding that, says Richards has one year on his contract & now is not the time to talk about it .
I don't think either Rekik or Huws will be worthwhile first team players for City, & if we have to rely on either next season, I think we are in deep deep shit. Cole could become a player & Lopes probably will be, but both will be fringe players at best next season I would think.
We probably have one year of breathing space though, whilst the contracts of Richards & Milner come into discussion.
We could keep both, sign a cb, poss flog Dzeko & sign a key player there. Then maybe bring in someone like Barkley.
The biggest worry for me is Lescott going. We have no reliable partner/cover for VK once he goes.
Even if we sign a player who is the best young cb in the history of football, it might take him 2 seasons to settle into the Prem.
Lescott is an absolute dream of a player to have in the squad & no other British team in our position would ever let a player like that leave.
What if we were to buy Shaw for instance, ship Clichy or Kolarov. Two spots open for new defenders!
Clichy doesn't take up a 'foreign' spot, he's association grown.
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by Ted Hughes » Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:13 am
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:Slim wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:According to the MUEN, we currently have one place left for a 'foreign' player, which DESPERATELY needs to be a central defender if Lescott is going. There are no English, nor academy players who are anywhere near good enough to take that spot next season.
Richards though imo is miles a better bet at cb than any English player we could currently sign for that job, or any of the current academy alternatives, so that is another reason not to get rid of him without really considering our situation.
Count is giving nothing away regarding that, says Richards has one year on his contract & now is not the time to talk about it .
I don't think either Rekik or Huws will be worthwhile first team players for City, & if we have to rely on either next season, I think we are in deep deep shit. Cole could become a player & Lopes probably will be, but both will be fringe players at best next season I would think.
We probably have one year of breathing space though, whilst the contracts of Richards & Milner come into discussion.
We could keep both, sign a cb, poss flog Dzeko & sign a key player there. Then maybe bring in someone like Barkley.
The biggest worry for me is Lescott going. We have no reliable partner/cover for VK once he goes.
Even if we sign a player who is the best young cb in the history of football, it might take him 2 seasons to settle into the Prem.
Lescott is an absolute dream of a player to have in the squad & no other British team in our position would ever let a player like that leave.
What if we were to buy Shaw for instance, ship Clichy or Kolarov. Two spots open for new defenders!
Clichy doesn't take up a 'foreign' spot, he's association grown.
Tbh, I don't like the idea of buying Shaw for the simple reason that we have kids at different age groups who look to have potential to play that role. Obviously the club know better, & perhaps some of those players will adapt to end up in different positions anyway, but with Shaw being so young, he is blocking off that spot for someone, for years to come.
He is obviously talented, but imo the only thing he has on some of the City lads is his physique. They may well have more quality & football intelligence than he does. Bul like I say, that possibly means they could end up playing elsewhere.
In the end I suppose they will do what they think is best for the club.
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