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Mick McCarthy is a clown

Postby shawzy » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:19 am

He changes 10 players in the squad that beat Spurs to play the rags?
Those poor fans that come all the way to Manch and spend all there hard earned cash to watch that shambles of a performance from a reserve side.
What is the Prem league coming to eh.

Heres the Daily Mails view on it

He will be accused of taking the Mick. Of giving away precious Premier League points that are supposed to be earned. Especially when the three which Mick McCarthy handed over last night enabled Manchester United to rejoin Chelsea at the summit of the Premier League.
Carlo Ancelotti will be outraged and understandably so. It was extraordinary.
Ten changes to the side that so impressed against Tottenham at the weekend; a bizarre handball offence that allowed Wayne Rooney to open the scoring; a free header that enabled Nemanja Vidic to score the second; laughable defending that invited Antonio Valencia to score a third.
Wolves even had a bloke called Friend in the team, for crying out loud. McCarthy had his reasons and the Wolves supporters who went to the effort of coming here last night would have guessed what they were.

A tough game at White Hart Lane three days earlier. A game they would hope to win against Burnley this weekend.
Their manager, they no doubt concluded, was playing a percentage game. Perfectly reasonable, some might argue, and no bad thing when your team started the game two points above relegation.
At the end of the game, they were down in the drop zone. But were those same supporters prepared to accept it? Not exactly. ‘We want our money back,’ they cried. As well as ‘40 quid to watch the reserves’ and ‘loyal supporters’.
The Premier League appeared fairly relaxed about the situation last night. There was no official line but the point was made about this being a squad game; about it being subjective when it comes to interpreting the rules and regulations.
Even if Section E of the Premier League handbook would appear to suggest that, by fielding his reserves against the defending English champions, McCarthy had damaged the integrity of the competition.

It is there in black and white. ‘In every League match each participating club shall field a full strength team,’ it says. Unless, it seems, you think you’ve got no chance.
However they try to interpret the rules now, this has devalued a league we like to consider the most competitive in Europe. And it is a worry, looking ahead, if the so-called lesser sides really do start throwing games when they meet the top five or six. We might as well call it quits and split the Premier League in two.
McCarthy might point to Neil Warnock and Sheffield United a couple of years ago. He might even point to Sir Alex Ferguson and Rafa Benitez for fielding weakened sides. But the latter two have taken calculated risks in the belief that they still have enough quality to win the game.
And Warnock? The changes were not quite as sweeping as this and he might well have regretted it when his team were then relegated.

McCarthy is going to have plenty of explaining to do. Not least because his side do not actually meet Burnley until Sunday and this amounted to one of the better times to come to Old Trafford.
Ferguson had no choice but to field a weakened team that included players like Ritchie De Laet, Darron Gibson and Gabriel Obertan and again had Michael Carrick at centre-half, because of the sheer number of injuries.
And yet they still breezed to victory in Ferguson’s 900th league game as a manager in English football. Still had no problem bouncing back from a morale-sapping defeat to Aston Villa at the weekend.

From the very start, these sheep in Wolves clothing were under enormous pressure. Rooney threatened and so did Dimitar Berbatov, the two strikers working well with Valencia and Obertan.
But it was the presence of Vidic that created the sense of panic that led to the first goal, scored after 29 minutes from the penalty spot. When Gibson floated in a corner and Vidic began to accelerate towards the ball, Ronald Zubar decided to divert it away from the Serbian centre-half with his right hand.
Steve Bennett did not hesitate in pointing to the spot and up stepped Rooney — another English striker against another American goalkeeper — to drive the ball into the back of the Wolves net. Fabio Capello take note.

With their noses in front, United could relax a little and play with a touch more composure. It was easy. Far too easy for the liking of those visiting supporters.
The second goal arrived shortly before the break, Zubar keeping his hands down on this occasion and so allowing Vidic to meet a Gibson corner with a terrific header. Marcus Hahnemann — the one survivor from the Tottenham win — almost
made the save but proved powerless in stopping the ball crossing the line.
A third was inevitable and it came midway through the second half. A neat chip forward from Paul Scholes, an overhead cross from Berbatov and a half-volley from Valencia. No challenge from a Wolves defender. Just a defence resigned to defeat and failure.
It made it all the more annoying for the Wolves fans who had given the Carling Cup encounter back in September a swerve in the hope of seeing something rather more meaningful this time.
‘My decisions will be judged by whether or not we stay in the Premier League,’ said McCarthy and he’s right. But he probably needs to start with a win against Burnley this weekend.


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Re: Mick McCarthy is a clown

Postby dazby » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:37 am

I hope Burnley give them a good dicking this weekend.
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Re: Mick McCarthy is a clown

Postby john68 » Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:17 am

I find the whole matter most distasteful in the extreme. It goes againt every principle of the spirit of the game.
Why did Wolves even bother turning up? Better to save the costs to themselves and their fans and simply hand the points over.
I hope he gets relegated by a point...the point he might have had if he had bothered to compete against a weakened rag outfit.

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Re: Mick McCarthy is a clown

Postby ant london » Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:01 am

He should be made to explain his team selection if Mark has to explain his comments

McCarthy's actions were much more of an affront to the spirit of football and competition than Hughes telling it how it was re a biased shite ref

Hope they get relegated

I might throw Bovril at him at Molyneux
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Re: Mick McCarthy is a clown

Postby zuricity » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:42 am

I've just watched his after match interview on the bbc web site and all I can say is this. Hughes, I hope you watched it too. Wolves need to be thoroughly battered when we go to Molineux.
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Re: Mick McCarthy is a clown

Postby Fish111 » Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:18 am

Isn't there a rule that states you have to field your strongest team no matter what? Only sickness & injuries prevent a club from going all out to win games, or at least compete. Apparently the Wolves fans were singing that they wanted their money back, £42 a ticket they paid to watch the reserves. The Premier League need to take strong action otherwise other clubs will start doing this. I hope Wolves get relegated by one goal, a goal they could quite easily have scored at the swamp.
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Re: Mick McCarthy is a clown

Postby sandman » Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:03 am

His first team are fit and have been given a glimmer confidence, why go somewhere expecting to lose or to fight and fight to win. He's weighed up his options and knows by resting his better players in the no chancers he can pick up his 40 points against clubs of his level, we'll see at the end of the season if this will pay off. I think it will?
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Re: Mick McCarthy is a clown

Postby CityFanFromRome » Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:13 am

sandman wrote:His first team are fit and have been given a glimmer confidence, why go somewhere expecting to lose or to fight and fight to win. He's weighed up his options and knows by resting his better players in the no chancers he can pick up his 40 points against clubs of his level, we'll see at the end of the season if this will pay off. I think it will?
That's not a reasoning to do, you play to win every game, even those when the opposition is much stronger than you, if you stay concentrated and have a game plan to exploit their weaknesses or try to, you canget something even out of the toughest games. Matches against clubs of his level can go either way, what will happen if they don't go as well as he has expected and he finds that last night was a chance to get the point(s) he needs to stay up?
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Re: Mick McCarthy is a clown

Postby Mike J » Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:15 am

i really dont get this resting of players. they are paid very well to be professional fucking athletes for fuck sake. can they really not manage two games in a week. christ even i can do that easily!

i like McCarthy but i just lost a little bit of respect for him.
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Re: Mick McCarthy is a clown

Postby john@staustell » Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:45 am

Fish111 wrote:Isn't there a rule that states you have to field your strongest team no matter what? Only sickness & injuries prevent a club from going all out to win games, or at least compete. Apparently the Wolves fans were singing that they wanted their money back, £42 a ticket they paid to watch the reserves. The Premier League need to take strong action otherwise other clubs will start doing this. I hope Wolves get relegated by one goal, a goal they could quite easily have scored at the swamp.


PL says it's a squad game. As far as I know there's still rule in cups but everyone ignores it.

I guess all a manager has to say in the European court for arbitration for sport is that, with knocks from Saturday, this was the strongest he had.

But the guy is a clown.
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Re: Mick McCarthy is a clown

Postby Goatsleftpeg » Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:38 am

If he does'nt want to play his full team that's his choice. But come the end season if a team who has nothing to play for plays its second string against a team in a relegation spot he (Mccarthy) can't say a word.
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Re: Mick McCarthy is a clown

Postby feedthegreek » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:23 am

mc, carthy is just stupid, the other week they played bolton in a so called 6 pointer,
which they won, last night bolton win 3-1 wolves lose , they,ve just handed bolton the 3 pts back.
and not only that wolves are now back in the bottom 3 bolton are out of it.
which when your in the drop zone only puts more pressure on his own team.
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Re: Mick McCarthy is a clown

Postby london blue 2 » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:29 am

Goatsleftpeg wrote:If he does'nt want to play his full team that's his choice. But come the end season if a team who has nothing to play for plays its second string against a team in a relegation spot he (Mccarthy) can't say a word.


Mate i just hope that happens and it leads to thier relegation! that would be justice.
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Re: Mick McCarthy is a clown

Postby Twobob » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:32 am

He's basically thrown the game - appalling and one of the worst things to do in any sport - He could have only bettered this if he'd have put a grand on Scum to win!

For any team playing the scum this is the best oportunity to beat them or get anything out of the game - they're down on players, screwed with injuries to defenders and had midfielders defending ...

Lost a lot of respect for Mick after yesterday.
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Re: Mick McCarthy is a clown

Postby sandman » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:11 pm

CityFanFromRome wrote:
sandman wrote:His first team are fit and have been given a glimmer confidence, why go somewhere expecting to lose or to fight and fight to win. He's weighed up his options and knows by resting his better players in the no chancers he can pick up his 40 points against clubs of his level, we'll see at the end of the season if this will pay off. I think it will?
That's not a reasoning to do, you play to win every game, even those when the opposition is much stronger than you, if you stay concentrated and have a game plan to exploit their weaknesses or try to, you canget something even out of the toughest games. Matches against clubs of his level can go either way, what will happen if they don't go as well as he has expected and he finds that last night was a chance to get the point(s) he needs to stay up?


Or he could have played his first team yesterday and picked up a few knocks (more likely in a harder game), even if they played well they are likely to lose, this way he has saved his 1st team and they wont have had the blow to confidence that this game would probably have given them. They could have lost or drawn both games, if they win at weekend then it may have been all worth it.

This isnt a cheat or a fix, it is a tactic..
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Re: Mick McCarthy is a clown

Postby Twobob » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:18 pm

sandman wrote:
CityFanFromRome wrote:
sandman wrote:His first team are fit and have been given a glimmer confidence, why go somewhere expecting to lose or to fight and fight to win. He's weighed up his options and knows by resting his better players in the no chancers he can pick up his 40 points against clubs of his level, we'll see at the end of the season if this will pay off. I think it will?
That's not a reasoning to do, you play to win every game, even those when the opposition is much stronger than you, if you stay concentrated and have a game plan to exploit their weaknesses or try to, you canget something even out of the toughest games. Matches against clubs of his level can go either way, what will happen if they don't go as well as he has expected and he finds that last night was a chance to get the point(s) he needs to stay up?


Or he could have played his first team yesterday and picked up a few knocks (more likely in a harder game), even if they played well they are likely to lose, this way he has saved his 1st team and they wont have had the blow to confidence that this game would probably have given them. They could have lost or drawn both games, if they win at weekend then it may have been all worth it.

This isnt a cheat or a fix, it is a tactic..


If it was a cup game and you had to prioritise staying in the league I'd agree with the reasoning in principle, but when you;re in the premiership or any league - you have to play each game with the confidence that you have a chance, the oppo has weaknesses and Mick - as a top flight manager, should be doing his homework on how to beat the scum not how to fold to them.

There's 'some' logic behined his thinking, but its flawed and brings the competition into disrepute.
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Re: Mick McCarthy is a clown

Postby Socrates » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:20 pm

I'm with you Sandman. He's entitled to pick whatever team he wants from his first team squad. Bigger clubs do this all the time in the cups or in Champions League games and nobody blinks an eye. He's given up a slim chance of a point to improve his chances of getting 3 in the next game while also giving some valuable playing time to players he will possibly need in the new year. What's so different from Arsenal doing something similar against us in the Carling Cup?
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Re: Mick McCarthy is a clown

Postby sandman » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:53 pm

Socrates wrote:I'm with you Sandman. He's entitled to pick whatever team he wants from his first team squad. Bigger clubs do this all the time in the cups or in Champions League games and nobody blinks an eye. He's given up a slim chance of a point to improve his chances of getting 3 in the next game while also giving some valuable playing time to players he will possibly need in the new year. What's so different from Arsenal doing something similar against us in the Carling Cup?


It depends on which side you're on, when Toure lifts the Carling Cup not a person on here will be worried that Wenger brought the tournament into disrepute??
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Re: Mick McCarthy is a clown

Postby Socrates » Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:23 pm

sandman wrote:
Socrates wrote:I'm with you Sandman. He's entitled to pick whatever team he wants from his first team squad. Bigger clubs do this all the time in the cups or in Champions League games and nobody blinks an eye. He's given up a slim chance of a point to improve his chances of getting 3 in the next game while also giving some valuable playing time to players he will possibly need in the new year. What's so different from Arsenal doing something similar against us in the Carling Cup?


It depends on which side you're on, when Toure lifts the Carling Cup not a person on here will be worried that Wenger brought the tournament into disrepute??


or, indeed, if SBF does the same thing in the Semis...
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Re: Mick McCarthy is a clown

Postby Florida Blue » Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:00 pm

john68 wrote:I find the whole matter most distasteful in the extreme. It goes againt every principle of the spirit of the game.
Why did Wolves even bother turning up? Better to save the costs to themselves and their fans and simply hand the points over.
I hope he gets relegated by a point...the point he might have had if he had bothered to compete against a weakened rag outfit.

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