Rags Gutted Mancini Has Gone.

[Beefymcfc]

So, what you are saying is that because we brought in the money and bought a few players then we should be automatic winners? I'll go back to my first and say that you are now expecting us to win the PL by at least 10 points, make the CL finals and at least compete for domestic cups (semi-finals at least). I hope you're right.

Wasting my time mate, you havent responded to a single point, because you cant.

Go and troll somewhere else

I tell you what mate, if I'm a troll I'll fuck off now. The fact that you say, with lots of words, that Mancini never took us anywhere is just an absoulute ricidiculous thing for me and I don't need to back it up with fuck all else than the fact that he did something, the first thing, we've done in many a fucking year.

Wind up, me, take a fucking look you fucking sad sack!

[BlueinBosnia]

The fact that you say, with lots of words, that Mancini never took us anywhere is just an absoulute ricidiculous thing for me and I don't need to back it up with fuck all else than the fact that he did something, the first thing, we've done in many a fucking year.

Wind up, me, take a fucking look you fucking sad sack!

I didn't read it like that at all, more that Mancini didn't take us as far as a top top manager would with the resources he had at his disposal.

Yes he won things, yes he took us further than Hughes did (and could), but the resources at Mancini's disposal were by far a greater factor in our success with him at the helm than Mancini himself was.

[Beefymcfc]

The fact that you say, with lots of words, that Mancini never took us anywhere is just an absoulute ricidiculous thing for me and I don't need to back it up with fuck all else than the fact that he did something, the first thing, we've done in many a fucking year.

Wind up, me, take a fucking look you fucking sad sack!

I didn't read it like that at all, more that Mancini didn't take us as far as a top top manager would with the resources he had at his disposal.

Yes he won things, yes he took us further than Hughes did (and could), but the resources at Mancini's disposal were by far a greater factor in our success with him at the helm than Mancini himself was.

I'm taking the full conversation into account but if I'm wrong, I apologise.

But, as of what has been said, the expectation is that we should now win the league by a large margin, we should be well ahead in the CL and be pushing for a domestic cup.

Are you saying that?

[Im_Spartacus]

I'm taking the full conversation into account but if I'm wrong, I apologise. But, as of what has been said, the expectation is that we should now win the league by a large margin, we should be well ahead in the CL and be pushing for a domestic cup. Are you saying that?

You are wrong mate, completely.

You have gone out of your way to repeatedly ignore the point being made, which is that you cannot ignore the influence of the resources a manager has at his disposal. I've given you numerous examples of how that works at other clubs, for example with real Madrid - did I ever say they should have been winning the league by 10 points and romping the champions league?

I said, to save you re-reading, that "the level of ability of their Real Madrid's) squad over a long long time now lends itself to a first or second place finish every season regardless who the manager is". That's where I see city now, so a league title winning manager could actually be quite average if he has the best team. The trick which seems to elude average managers is doing it again, and doing well in the champions league.

After 3 or 4 replies which included facetious answers of winning the league by 10 points etc etc (which I have never said), how can I take your responses seriously when its absolutely clear you either missed the point entirely, or are just trying to be a cunt?

Your a decent poster mate, but your objectivity and ability to engage in discussion has gone out the fucking window in this thread, seriously, re read what I posted without the first instinct being to jump to Mancini's defence - most of what I wrote is generic about football, its not even about Mancini!

[Foreverinbluedreams]

You see us at the level of Real Madrid and the rags? Therein lies your problem mate, we are still years off that. It takes time to build that mentality and ethos within a club regardless of how much money you spend. You seem to think it's a case of buy the best players and you will win if you have a top manager, it doesn't work like that in the real world.

Mancini's record stands up there with the best of them at that stage of their career, yes he's been fortunate to have the resources at his disposal at his last two clubs, ( funny too how it seems his record previous where the resources weren't available aren't brought up in these debates ) but in the case of the City job at least he was up against two clubs that have had them resources for years. I'm not suggesting he's a great manager but if he keeps winning trophies at the rate he has been his trophy haul will outdo many of the so called great managers.

[Beefymcfc]

I'm taking the full conversation into account but if I'm wrong, I apologise. But, as of what has been said, the expectation is that we should now win the league by a large margin, we should be well ahead in the CL and be pushing for a domestic cup. Are you saying that?

You are wrong mate, completely.

You have gone out of your way to repeatedly ignore the point being made, which is that you cannot ignore the influence of the resources a manager has at his disposal. I've given you numerous examples of how that works at other clubs, for example with real Madrid - did I ever say they should have been winning the league by 10 points and romping the champions league?

I said, to save you re-reading, that "the level of ability of their Real Madrid's) squad over a long long time now lends itself to a first or second place finish every season regardless who the manager is". That's where I see city now, so a league title winning manager could actually be quite average if he has the best team. The trick which seems to elude average managers is doing it again, and doing well in the champions league.

After 3 or 4 replies which included facetious answers of winning the league by 10 points etc etc (which I have never said), how can I take your responses seriously when its absolutely clear you either missed the point entirely, or are just trying to be a cunt?

Your a decent poster mate, but your objectivity and ability to engage in discussion has gone out the fucking window in this thread, seriously, re read what I posted without the first instinct being to jump to Mancini's defence - most of what I wrote is generic about football, its not even about Mancini!

Mate, I actually agree with you in most respescts and I'm not actually here defending Mancini's achievements (or lack of them), what I'm defending is Manchester City and the fact that what happened that glorious day is somehow being undermined. All the managers involved since the TS days have done things right and wrong, Mancini being one of them, but if it is all down to money why haven't Chelsea beeb winning PL title after title?

In reality, we shouldn't even be discussing the manager because the squad is all that counts and inspite of any of them we should be winning every game in your book. You say I'm being facetious and putting words to your script but when somebody says we seriously underperformed, which we did in many respects, and should've won the league with a different manager then what does that say? For me it says if the team should've won the league then with the additions we should be romping it. Is that not a fair comment?

I have no issues with your thoughts on last season but the fact you'd play down one of our best days in years just doesn't sit right, as if you couldn't just enjoy it and choose to knit-pick at various periods rather than take the season as it was - fucking magnificent.

[Breks]

it's this simple, did Mancini get the best out of a world class squad? And did that squad reach its full potential under his management? They are the questions we should consider.

[zuricity]

it's this simple, did Mancini get the best out of a world class squad? And did that squad reach its full potential under his management? They are the questions we should consider.

No there isn't any need to raise more questions. Roberto Mancini was sacked for coming second instead of first. Pellegrini knows he will go too, if we don't come first.

[Breks]

I was simply saying thats all we need to consider to make a decision on Mancini.

[Breks]

No there isn't any need to raise more questions. Roberto Mancini was sacked for coming second instead of first. Pellegrini knows he will go too, if we don't come first.

He got sacked for his poor man management, failure to mount a strong title defence, failure to win a game in champs league and losing to Wigan in f.a cup. So lets have it right, it wasn't just as simple as being 2nd.

[Spurge]

Seems a strange topic - as I'm not sure what it gains - probably there are some scum fans in another pub that were relieved that Mancini was moved on?? All just about opinions.

I certainly was not for replacing Mancini - but I am of the era that lived through Swales revolving door and we only ever went backwards as it was all knee-jerk and no strategy.

Mind you that desperation to see a period without managerial change was also why I was against the Hughes sacking - although I now recognise how he was not up to it - not able to get his personal aspirations and thinking up to the level / opportunity he was offered. (BTW like most others against that decision it was 'anti-change' and not 'Hughes' licking')

Back on topic - FFS Mancini will forever be held in the highest regard by me - having been to the majority of games over the last 40 years I remember a number of his most fondly - and not just because they were more recent!!

I think that Soriano explained it well - Mancini was the right person for the project through a certain phase - and now someone else is right for the next phase. Mancini being replaced by Pellers does not need to mean that Mancini was 'bad'. I will back the Sheik's/Khaldoon's judgements - they have appointed an exec team to manage strategically into the future - so managerial changes will not faze me so much as the Swales days.

My confidence was also increased by the choice of new manager - someone that fits into CITY and will put CITY first, rather than that self-obsessed bastard now at cheslski.

saved me a long post - spot on

[Beefymcfc]

Seems a strange topic - as I'm not sure what it gains - probably there are some scum fans in another pub that were relieved that Mancini was moved on?? All just about opinions.

I certainly was not for replacing Mancini - but I am of the era that lived through Swales revolving door and we only ever went backwards as it was all knee-jerk and no strategy.

Mind you that desperation to see a period without managerial change was also why I was against the Hughes sacking - although I now recognise how he was not up to it - not able to get his personal aspirations and thinking up to the level / opportunity he was offered. (BTW like most others against that decision it was 'anti-change' and not 'Hughes' licking')

Back on topic - FFS Mancini will forever be held in the highest regard by me - having been to the majority of games over the last 40 years I remember a number of his most fondly - and not just because they were more recent!!

I think that Soriano explained it well - Mancini was the right person for the project through a certain phase - and now someone else is right for the next phase. Mancini being replaced by Pellers does not need to mean that Mancini was 'bad'. I will back the Sheik's/Khaldoon's judgements - they have appointed an exec team to manage strategically into the future - so managerial changes will not faze me so much as the Swales days.

My confidence was also increased by the choice of new manager - someone that fits into CITY and will put CITY first, rather than that self-obsessed bastard now at cheslski.

saved me a long post - spot on

Agreed, must've missed that.

[zuricity]

He got sacked for his poor man management, failure to mount a strong title defence, failure to win a game in champs league and losing to Wigan in f.a cup. So lets have it right, it wasn't just as simple as being 2nd.

Oh really !

[Cit.revenge]

Mancini ask from Galatasaray 20 mill Euro to be Manager !!!

[Beefymcfc]

Mancini ask from Galatasaray 20 mill Euro to be Manager !!!

How much!

[Cit.revenge]

Mancini ask from Galatasaray 20 mill Euro to be Manager !!!

How much!

20 mill Euro for contract 3 years , they turn him down, He really think a lot of him self . FFS even Real would think about that amount

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Mancini ask from Galatasaray 20 mill Euro to be Manager !!!

How much!

20 mill Euro for contract 3 years , they turn him down, He really think a lot of him self . FFS even Real would think about that amount

According to who?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Mancini ask from Galatasaray 20 mill Euro to be Manager !!!

How much!

20 mill Euro for contract 3 years , they turn him down, He really think a lot of him self . FFS even Real would think about that amount

That wouldn't even put him among five best paid managers in the world. He is easily among top ten, imo top five, managers in the world. Sounds like very fair wage demands especially as he would be going to second rate league.

Oh, and Ancellotti makes 10m per year. So another silly post by you.

[BlueinBosnia]

That wouldn't even put him among five best paid managers in the world. He is easily among top ten, imo top five, managers in the world. Sounds like very fair wage demands especially as he would be going to second rate league.

In fairness, approx 150k Euro a week to manage in a second-rate league is less than what I believe he deserves (assuming that the 20m is spread over the 3 years). However, to say Mancini is amongst the top 5 managers in the world is totally daft. Even top 5 currently out of employment would be pushing it a tiny bit.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

That wouldn't even put him among five best paid managers in the world. He is easily among top ten, imo top five, managers in the world. Sounds like very fair wage demands especially as he would be going to second rate league.

In fairness, approx 150k Euro a week to manage in a second-rate league is less than what I believe he deserves (assuming that the 20m is spread over the 3 years). However, to say Mancini is amongst the top 5 managers in the world is totally daft. Even top 5 currently out of employment would be pushing it a tiny bit.

That is ridiculous. His record alone puts him in that group.