Txiki intensive talks for Jovetic

[Beefymcfc]

I think we got it right wth the statement that we'd have a nice mix, using already established players whilst bringing through the youth. No top teams rely on their own youth alone, Barca were very lucky to bring through so many at once, just like United did with the Beckham era. It should be a decent blend, combining youth, experience and quality to make the perfect combination. The problem is, it's not a perfect science and things have to be dynamic depending on what we've got.

It'd be nice to see one youth player coming through per season but even that's a big call for a manager who still needs to win trophies.

[Ted Hughes]

I think we got it right wth the statement that we'd have a nice mix, using already established players whilst bringing through the youth. No top teams rely on their own youth alone, Barca were very lucky to bring through so many at once, just like United did with the Beckham era. It should be a decent blend, combining youth, experience and quality to make the perfect combination. The problem is, it's not a perfect science and things have to be dynamic depending on what we've got.

It'd be nice to see one youth player coming through per season but even that's a big call for a manager who still needs to win trophies.

I think it's doable for the squad.

Producing world stars is a very different matter & will only happen on occasion, but bringing through highish quality squad players, so we don't have to sign them, should be a regular thing.

I think some of the present kids will make it at City during the next five years & one or two will become stars.

[I Just Blue Myself]

I think there are a lot of City fans looking for reasons to dish the dirt on them, same as With Marwood last season.

It's all bullshit imo. They are doing the job asked of them by the owner & chairman, as was Marwood.

If you don't like it, blame the Sheikh & Khaldoon, they set the rules.

I'll be fucked if I'm not allowed to be wary of/criticise anyone but the Sheikh or Khaldoon, as I'm sure they don't tell Txiki to fuck around in the transfer market.

I can only speak for myself, but I have my doubts regarding the Spaniards not merely for their work at MCFC, but also for some of the appalling deals they overlooked at Barcelona (Ibra, Chygrynskiy, Keirrison to name a few).
I don't care much for Soriano as he is a suit & I am not particularly interested in the commercial aspects of football, so I'll have to trust the people who are far more knowledgeable than me.
I won't bother with anything regarding the Academy, as I recon that is an immensely long-term venture & I firmly believe that Txiki's influence on the current Barcelona youth graduates is marginal at best. I hope to be proven otherwise, but as that is something for the future, there is only one field to judge him on.
If we're being honest I don't see one exceptional deal we have made since his arrival. As things stand, Balotelli's disposal may rank as the best of the bunch from a purely financial standpoint, but then the timing was questionable with no imminent replacement.

Jury is still out on the new boys, but while I think both will be a good addition to the squad, my grandmother could've closed both deals for the circulated prices & no genuine competition for their signatures.

[Ted Hughes]

I think there are a lot of City fans looking for reasons to dish the dirt on them, same as With Marwood last season.

It's all bullshit imo. They are doing the job asked of them by the owner & chairman, as was Marwood.

If you don't like it, blame the Sheikh & Khaldoon, they set the rules.

I'll be fucked if I'm not allowed to be wary of/criticise anyone but the Sheikh or Khaldoon, as I'm sure they don't tell Txiki to fuck around in the transfer market.

I can only speak for myself, but I have my doubts regarding the Spaniards not merely for their work at MCFC, but also for some of the appalling deals they overlooked at Barcelona (Ibra, Chygrynskiy, Keirrison to name a few).
I don't care much for Soriano as he is a suit & I am not particularly interested in the commercial aspects of football, so I'll have to trust the people who are far more knowledgeable than me.
I won't bother with anything regarding the Academy, as I recon that is an immensely long-term venture & I firmly believe that Txiki's influence on the current Barcelona youth graduates is marginal at best. I hope to be proven otherwise, but as that is something for the future, there is only one field to judge him on.
If we're being honest I don't see one exceptional deal we have made since his arrival. As things stand, Balotelli's disposal may rank as the best of the bunch from a purely financial standpoint, but then the timing was questionable with no imminent replacement.

Jury is still out on the new boys, but while I think both will be a good addition to the squad, my grandmother could've closed both deals for the circulated prices & no genuine competition for their signatures.

Saying 'I don't like suits' & 'I won't mention the academy' when discussing Soriano & Tricky, is a bit like saying 'I don't like politicians & am not interested in the economy' & 'I won't mention the Health service' when talking about the Government.

It's utter nonsense to just discard those areas as they are two of the most crucially important aspects of the Club.

Also, your granny must be decent at negotiating, as Real Madrid were sniffing round Navas & Shakhtar didn't want to sell Fernandinho.

You have also missed the fantastic deal we just got for Tevez, which was more than anyone imagined.

Add the appointment of Vieira to the EDS which may have rescued the careers of several young prospects already. Imo, they are doing absolutely fine so far but need to make the academy work before they can be judged a success.

What I recon is that some of the comments about these two are fairly resentful & malicious, largely by People who are sulking because Mancini got the sack & using any small excuse to find fault with thse blokes to get revenge, but that sacking was authorised by the Sheikh & Khaldoon. The chairman himself has talked about it. There is no doubt it hasd his full support.

If people have got a problem with that, or the more sensible budget for transfers & wages, which is also at Khaldoon's insistance, they should have the balls to complain about the owner & chairman, who are the deciding factor, instead of blaming the staff.

Personally I have no gripes with Khaldoon or the Sheikh at all, I think they are fantastic.

[carl_feedthegoat]

I think there are a lot of City fans looking for reasons to dish the dirt on them, same as With Marwood last season.

It's all bullshit imo. They are doing the job asked of them by the owner & chairman, as was Marwood.

If you don't like it, blame the Sheikh & Khaldoon, they set the rules.

I'll be fucked if I'm not allowed to be wary of/criticise anyone but the Sheikh or Khaldoon, as I'm sure they don't tell Txiki to fuck around in the transfer market.

I can only speak for myself, but I have my doubts regarding the Spaniards not merely for their work at MCFC, but also for some of the appalling deals they overlooked at Barcelona (Ibra, Chygrynskiy, Keirrison to name a few).
I don't care much for Soriano as he is a suit & I am not particularly interested in the commercial aspects of football, so I'll have to trust the people who are far more knowledgeable than me.
I won't bother with anything regarding the Academy, as I recon that is an immensely long-term venture & I firmly believe that Txiki's influence on the current Barcelona youth graduates is marginal at best. I hope to be proven otherwise, but as that is something for the future, there is only one field to judge him on.
If we're being honest I don't see one exceptional deal we have made since his arrival. As things stand, Balotelli's disposal may rank as the best of the bunch from a purely financial standpoint, but then the timing was questionable with no imminent replacement.

Jury is still out on the new boys, but while I think both will be a good addition to the squad, my grandmother could've closed both deals for the circulated prices & no genuine competition for their signatures.

Saying 'I don't like suits' & 'I won't mention the academy' when discussing Soriano & Tricky, is a bit like saying 'I don't like politicians & am not interested in the economy' & 'I won't mention the Health service' when talking about the Government.

It's utter nonsense to just discard those areas as they are two of the most crucially important aspects of the Club.

Also, your granny must be decent at negotiating, as Real Madrid were sniffing round Navas & Shakhtar didn't want to sell Fernandinho.

You have also missed the fantastic deal we just got for Tevez, which was more than anyone imagined.

Add the appointment of Vieira to the EDS which may have rescued the careers of several young prospects already. Imo, they are doing absolutely fine so far but need to make the academy work before they can be judged a success.

What I recon is that some of the comments about these two are fairly resentful & malicious, largely by People who are sulking because Mancini got the sack & using any small excuse to find fault with thse blokes to get revenge, but that sacking was authorised by the Sheikh & Khaldoon. The chairman himself has talked about it. There is no doubt it hasd his full support.

If people have got a problem with that, or the more sensible budget for transfers & wages, which is also at Khaldoon's insistance, they should have the balls to complain about the owner & chairman, who are the deciding factor, instead of blaming the staff.

Personally I have no gripes with Khaldoon or the Sheikh at all, I think they are fantastic.

You have just about nailed it on the head there Ted.

[Bleed_Blue]

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Ted, you know how to make logical and sensible arguments, I bow down to thee

[Tokyo Blue]

Still another page further on and I am no wiser as to why I should blindly worship these two spaniards, like some others seem to want to make me do, and what it is they have done for our club to deserve it.

All I seem to get as an answer is Mancini this and Mancini that. Saying someone is wonderful for the club because they are not Mancini is not really much of an answer. Especially given the pots he managed us to. Saying "The Sheikh appears to back them", when you don't know exactly what the Sheikh thinks unless you have conversed with him yourself, is not really much of an answer either.

There seems to be a mindset on these pages that unless you bow down and worship the ground someone walks on, you hate them. Why am I not surprised?

[I Just Blue Myself]

Saying 'I don't like suits' & 'I won't mention the academy' when discussing Soriano & Tricky, is a bit like saying 'I don't like politicians & am not interested in the economy' & 'I won't mention the Health service' when talking about the Government.

It's utter nonsense to just discard those areas as they are two of the most crucially important aspects of the Club.

Stop spinning my words. You quoted my exact phrasing, no need to paraphrase & shorten it to suit your agenda. I didn't discard anything. I won't pretend to know certain things, so you can bore somebody else to death with them. I will comment on the topics I am comfortable with & there is nothing you can do about it. Also, your analogy stinks.

It's grand talking about plans for the Academy, filling positions, Patrick Vieira (who is a nice bloke, but let's be honest, has next to no pedigree in the position), but as you say, as long as we don't have any results (i.e. players making the first team), we shouldn't load Txiki with praise, which is why I scrapped the Academy from my current assessment.

Also, your granny must be decent at negotiating, as Real Madrid were sniffing round Navas & Shakhtar didn't want to sell Fernandinho.

And I don't want to sell my car, but if someone offers me twice of the amount similar cars are selling for, I will gladly part with it. I don't mind if the staff identify a target & go all out on it. But I won't kid myself into believing that the DEAL was exceptional/fantastic/shrewd or whatever you like.

You have also missed the fantastic deal we just got for Tevez, which was more than anyone imagined.

Well, the Juve fans I talked to thought it was a fantastic deal for them. Which is it? Hint: neither.

I won't bother with the rest of your bullshit, because if you think you are the one to decide whom people are allowed to criticise or not, you can go fuck yourself.

PS: 30m for Fernandinho is not my idea of a 'sensible' fee.

[I Just Blue Myself]

You have just about nailed it on the head there Ted.

Again, I can only speak for myself here, but I am okay with sacking Mancini (not with the manner of the sacking, however, which was atrocious). I also think Pellegrini is a good appointment & I will back him to the hilt, but I will reserve my right to question & criticise him, Cheeky, Soriano, Khaldoon, Nastasic, the tea lady & anyone else in any way I see fit.

These guys don't walk on water. Nothing to do with Mancini.

[DoomMerchant]

PS: 30m for Fernandinho is not my idea of a 'sensible' fee.

p.s. i'm pretty sure that wasn't the fee. Do you usually believe every bollox thing you read from crap papers?

cheers

[Tokyo Blue]

These guys don't walk on water.

Actually if you believe certain individuals round these parts, it seems they do.

[Slim]

These guys don't walk on water.

Actually if you believe certain individuals round these parts, it seems they do.

You seem to just be stirring the pot, no-one has said anything of the kind. From what I've read, those individuals you mention are merely defending them against people who are convinced they are the devil incarnate and also massively incompetent at their jobs.

[bigblue]

I think to believe that we will one day win the Champions league and become a top 3 team in the world, most fans have to put semi-blind faith in some overseeing entity at the club that will be the driving force to achieve this. Be it money from the Sheik, business sense from Khaldoon, football know-how from Txiki & Soriano, managerial excellence from Pellegrini, or just an overall feeling that MCFC is blessed by god to one day rule the football world.

Personally, I believe that no individual (or dynamic duo) will be our golden ticket. Luckily, we have a great group of people working together (with a proper system of checks and balances) who will do their best to make sure that no single actor has the ability to completely muck up the plan on their own. CTID

[I Just Blue Myself]

PS: 30m for Fernandinho is not my idea of a 'sensible' fee.

p.s. i'm pretty sure that wasn't the fee. Do you usually believe every bollox thing you read from crap papers?

cheers

Shakhtar's official site is a crap paper? OK USA!

[AG7]

Shakhtar's official site is a crap paper? OK USA!

Well, that might have been part of the deal to let them announce a large sum so they look like a big European Club not letting their stars out for cheap and that'd keep their fans and local press happy ... the financials this year for us when they come out will be telling.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Shakhtar's official site is a crap paper? OK USA!

Well, that might have been part of the deal to let them announce a large sum so they look like a big European Club not letting their stars out for cheap and that'd keep their fans and local press happy ... the financials this year for us when they come out will be telling.

Especially now we've teamed up with a company that makes batteries in Indonesia!

[Slim]

I believe when these Eastern European sides sell a player they list the price they'll be getting if all available addons are activated. I believe someone got hold of the figures regarding Jo, it was reported we paid £19M by CSKA and in reality it turned out to be a little over £6M.

[Bianchi on Ice]

I believe when these Eastern European sides sell a player they list the price they'll be getting if all available addons are activated. I believe someone got hold of the figures regarding Jo, it was reported we paid £19M by CSKA and in reality it turned out to be a little over £6M.

makes the £6M spent on samaras look like a bargain...ahh...the good old days

[Ted Hughes]

Saying 'I don't like suits' & 'I won't mention the academy' when discussing Soriano & Tricky, is a bit like saying 'I don't like politicians & am not interested in the economy' & 'I won't mention the Health service' when talking about the Government.

It's utter nonsense to just discard those areas as they are two of the most crucially important aspects of the Club.

Stop spinning my words. You quoted my exact phrasing, no need to paraphrase & shorten it to suit your agenda. I didn't discard anything. I won't pretend to know certain things, so you can bore somebody else to death with them. I will comment on the topics I am comfortable with & there is nothing you can do about it. Also, your analogy stinks.

It's grand talking about plans for the Academy, filling positions, Patrick Vieira (who is a nice bloke, but let's be honest, has next to no pedigree in the position), but as you say, as long as we don't have any results (i.e. players making the first team), we shouldn't load Txiki with praise, which is why I scrapped the Academy from my current assessment.

Also, your granny must be decent at negotiating, as Real Madrid were sniffing round Navas & Shakhtar didn't want to sell Fernandinho.

And I don't want to sell my car, but if someone offers me twice of the amount similar cars are selling for, I will gladly part with it. I don't mind if the staff identify a target & go all out on it. But I won't kid myself into believing that the DEAL was exceptional/fantastic/shrewd or whatever you like.

You have also missed the fantastic deal we just got for Tevez, which was more than anyone imagined.

Well, the Juve fans I talked to thought it was a fantastic deal for them. Which is it? Hint: neither.

I won't bother with the rest of your bullshit, because if you think you are the one to decide whom people are allowed to criticise or not, you can go fuck yourself.

PS: 30m for Fernandinho is not my idea of a 'sensible' fee.

But I didn't say you can't criticise them did I ? I just said that you should assess them honestly, & also have the bottle to point the finger at the people who are power behind their actions.

I pointed out the great big holes in your assessment, which initially came accross as more reasonable than some on here, but you have subsequently shown yourself to be someone holding a grudge, which is obvious from your totally unwarrented explosion of hostility towards me.

You are clearly another disgruntled licker pretending to be giving a fair assessment whilst secretly wanting them out.

None of you have got the balls to even mention the part played by the owner & chairman, in first appointing then backing the two, because you know how stupid your argument would then look.

And Tevez is a great deal for City & a fantastic signing for Juve, so both are correct.

[Ted Hughes]

Interesting how the press are now starting to find out what Jovetic actually does & where he plays rather than assuming he's just a striker who doesn't score that many.