Txiki intensive talks for Jovetic

[Beefymcfc]

What's wierd is your over the top reaction, as if to defend rather than debate. Extreme.

I find myself wondering what exactly Mutt and Jeff have achieved at MCFC to deserve such slavish devotion from various quarters.

I'm thinking the same. I can't understand the level of adoration seeing that they haven't actually acheived anything yet. No trophies last season, missed out on our 1st choice signings and reportedly spent 30 mil on somebody who wasn't being chased by anybody. They have brought in Navas at a realistic price and got us a deal with some Asian Cola deal, so not all bad.

[Original Dub]

I don't believe I showed any devotion to them there at all. I merely said they signed a spanish international and our two best players on extensions.

We missed out on isco and cavani, although that cavani price is ridiculous.

So all in all, I'm happy with the job they're doing so far. But it will be a lot easier to judge when the window is closed, as opposed to only open.

I still stick by the fact that your "debate" question was loaded to fuck beefy. I don't lean either way on everything that happened in the last 6 months but if you are honestly trying to deny that you were having another of many digs at these lads then you're telling porkies old pal.

"So these lads have signed an unknown and missed out on their two main targets"

Or words to that effect... that's not a balanced topic for debate my friend. Give me some credit ffs.

[CTID Hants]

Txiki was brought in to do the deals yet we lost out on 2 of our main targets, that's why we are after the 2 you mention; plan B if you may.
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Two main targets, lost out on?

Cavani: chelski, RM and us tested the water with bids in or around £40m mark and told to fuck off by the piss taking Italians. Cavani is not worth the £55m (minimum) they want for him. IMO, clearly us, RM and chelski think so too.

Isco: other than the fact RM had been looking at him longer than us and he knew it, we were lucky that he considered us at all, Pellegrini tried.. But the long and short of it is that for Isco, RM was a no brainier from he outset. Staying in Spain, playing for arguably the biggest club team in the world, in league he knows well and last but not least a real chance of pinning down a regular spot in his national team (who just so happen to be the best international team in the world currently )

Spanish players still see playing for their national side as the pinnacle of their career, unlike the English players..

So fair play if you want lay the sword of failure at the feet of Txiki.

Me, I am gutted that we didn't get Isco, but I have taken blue tinted specs off. Cavani, as far as I know is still at Napoli despite PSG triggering his buy clause of €64m, shitty vile Italian snakes I guess are holding out for more and we plus others have walked away?

[Cocacolajojo1]

I have never massively rated him but I could see him doing a job for us. Can't see it happening tho.

Also is he not some kind of Bosnian Spastic who grew up in Sweden?? Another downside I guess ;-)

His parents are/were Bosnian/Croatian/Romaniemi.

[ant london]

gypsies also? him and Navas.....dream combo

[Beefymcfc]

I don't believe I showed any devotion to them there at all. I merely said they signed a spanish international and our two best players on extensions.

We missed out on isco and cavani, although that cavani price is ridiculous.

So all in all, I'm happy with the job they're doing so far. But it will be a lot easier to judge when the window is closed, as opposed to only open.

I still stick by the fact that your "debate" question was loaded to fuck beefy. I don't lean either way on everything that happened in the last 6 months but if you are honestly trying to deny that you were having another of many digs at these lads then you're telling porkies old pal.

"So these lads have signed an unknown and missed out on their two main targets"

Or words to that effect... that's not a balanced topic for debate my friend. Give me some credit ffs.

Of course it's loaded, that's how you get debate going. I have nothing against either of them but the love some are showing is somewhat strange to say the least. I'm sure they'll prove to be excellent acquisitions but at the same time we can't put them on the pedestal until they've actually proved they can cut it at City, just like any other member of the team.

CITD talks about the Isco deal and I recently read an article that seemed quite plausible. It said that we'd agreed terms with Isco before he went away for the championships but left the agreement with the club for another day. Isco showed and then Real came in for him, giving Isco the option. Now, I'm not saying that is exactly how it happened but it does make you think that the Isco deal could have been signed and sealed before Real had a sniff?

[Mikhail Chigorin]

What's wierd is your over the top reaction, as if to defend rather than debate. Extreme.

I find myself wondering what exactly Mutt and Jeff have achieved at MCFC to deserve such slavish devotion from various quarters.

I'm thinking the same. I can't understand the level of adoration seeing that they haven't actually acheived anything yet. No trophies last season, missed out on our 1st choice signings and reportedly spent 30 mil on somebody who wasn't being chased by anybody. They have brought in Navas at a realistic price and got us a deal with some Asian Cola deal, so not all bad.

I don't think it's unfair to look critically at what Tricky and Sorry have, or have not, achieved so far and it's only realistic to expect the jury to be out with regard to their 'endeavours'.

These guys are responsible for creating a climate where the hatchet was sharpened and the blade gleaming bright, before being stuck in Mancini's back. They can't complain if it now comes back to chop their own heads off, if they fail to shape up.

He who lives by the sword must be prepared to die by it.

[Cocacolajojo1]

gypsies also? him and Navas.....dream combo

It's not official though, it's basically a bad kept secret.

[Beefymcfc]

Add losing their managers first game to the CV.

[Ted Hughes]

What's wierd is your over the top reaction, as if to defend rather than debate. Extreme.

I find myself wondering what exactly Mutt and Jeff have achieved at MCFC to deserve such slavish devotion from various quarters.

I'm thinking the same. I can't understand the level of adoration seeing that they haven't actually acheived anything yet. No trophies last season, missed out on our 1st choice signings and reportedly spent 30 mil on somebody who wasn't being chased by anybody. They have brought in Navas at a realistic price and got us a deal with some Asian Cola deal, so not all bad.

I don't think it's unfair to look critically at what Tricky and Sorry have, or have not, achieved so far and it's only realistic to expect the jury to be out with regard to their 'endeavours'.

These guys are responsible for creating a climate where the hatchet was sharpened and the blade gleaming bright, before being stuck in Mancini's back. They can't complain if it now comes back to chop their own heads off, if they fail to shape up.

He who lives by the sword must be prepared to die by it.

I think there are a lot of City fans looking for reasons to dish the dirt on them, same as With Marwood last season.

It's all bullshit imo. They are doing the job asked of them by the owner & chairman, as was Marwood.

If you don't like it, blame the Sheikh & Khaldoon, they set the rules.

[Beefymcfc]

What's wierd is your over the top reaction, as if to defend rather than debate. Extreme.

I find myself wondering what exactly Mutt and Jeff have achieved at MCFC to deserve such slavish devotion from various quarters.

I'm thinking the same. I can't understand the level of adoration seeing that they haven't actually acheived anything yet. No trophies last season, missed out on our 1st choice signings and reportedly spent 30 mil on somebody who wasn't being chased by anybody. They have brought in Navas at a realistic price and got us a deal with some Asian Cola deal, so not all bad.

I don't think it's unfair to look critically at what Tricky and Sorry have, or have not, achieved so far and it's only realistic to expect the jury to be out with regard to their 'endeavours'.

These guys are responsible for creating a climate where the hatchet was sharpened and the blade gleaming bright, before being stuck in Mancini's back. They can't complain if it now comes back to chop their own heads off, if they fail to shape up.

He who lives by the sword must be prepared to die by it.

I think there are a lot of City fans looking for reasons to dish the dirt on them, same as With Marwood last season.

It's all bullshit imo. They are doing the job asked of them by the owner & chairman, as was Marwood.

If you don't like it, blame the Sheikh & Khaldoon, they set the rules.

How can you say it's bullshit mate, you've just made the purpose of this forum redundant. We can no longer debate the top corridor?

In fact, we should no longer comment on the players, the manager, the tactics etc because it is all the Sheikh & Khaldoon's fault.

Can we debate the Sheikh and Khaldoon?

[DoomMerchant]

jesus...we haven't even lost out on Jovetic yet and the Lickers are at the castle walls with pitchforks and torches. Fucking mind-boggling.

Also, Antardo...i laffed at the Gypsies joke. It was funny.

Carry on the slamming of our CEO and his right hand man. No need to support the club or anything...they're just employees and you're just customers.

cheers

[Beefymcfc]

jesus...we haven't even lost out on Jovetic yet and the Lickers are at the castle walls with pitchforks and torches. Fucking mind-boggling.

Also, Antardo...i laffed at the Gypsies joke. It was funny.

Carry on the slamming of our CEO and his right hand man. No need to support the club or anything...they're just employees and you're just customers.

cheers

Fucking hell, it gets worse. You say 'Lickers' but it sounds like your chomping down or Txiki's cock. It sounds like your taking the 'Licking' to a new level of tongue.

And where's the 'Slamming of our CEO', I've not seen any of that? But you're right, I'm no longer a fan/supporter of the club, I'm now just a customer. By being a customer it must now mean that I don't hold the same virtues as before and I just walk away from the investment. Those employees, who've obviously been here well before, and will be here after I have left, are the true reasoning behind Manchester City Football Club. All those years of investment given by them, what was I thinking.

I like it though Doomy, I no longer need to have any emotional attachment, just another customer based business deal from now on.

[Ted Hughes]

How can you say it's bullshit mate, you've just made the purpose of this forum redundant. We can no longer debate the top corridor?

In fact, we should no longer comment on the players, the manager, the tactics etc because it is all the Sheikh & Khaldoon's fault.

Can we debate the Sheikh and Khaldoon?

Where have I said anywhere that you aren't allowed to debate it ? I've said that I think you are all talking complete and utter shite,not that you aren't allowed to.

And yes, debate the Sheikh & Khaldoon.

You should do. That's why it's bullshit. If you have a complaint then put the blame where it lies. If we threw money at everything like PSG have been doing, most of the players would sign but we aren't. We are operating with the full direction of the owner & if you aren't happy With that then you should all get on his case. If they wanted to outbid everyone & pay agents backhanders, they would order Marwood, Tricky etc to do so.

I'm completely 100% happy with it & think some City fans are becoming like spoilt brats, but I have never said they are not entitled to spout whatever ill informed, tripe they wish to; that is their right. They should imo though have the balls to criticise the top but would appear really stupid, so bottle out & go for soft,easy targets instead.

[DoomMerchant]

Fucking hell, it gets worse. You say 'Lickers' but it sounds like your chomping down or Txiki's cock. It sounds like your taking the 'Licking' to a new level of tongue.

And where's the 'Slamming of our CEO', I've not seen any of that? But you're right, I'm no longer a fan/supporter of the club, I'm now just a customer. By being a customer it must now mean that I don't hold the same virtues as before and I just walk away from the investment. Those employees, who've obviously been here well before, and will be here after I have left, are the true reasoning behind Manchester City Football Club. All those years of investment given by them, what was I thinking.

I like it though Doomy, I no longer need to have any emotional attachment, just another customer based business deal from now on.

Answering my sarcasm with that response was honestly just confusing.

[Beefymcfc]

How can you say it's bullshit mate, you've just made the purpose of this forum redundant. We can no longer debate the top corridor?

In fact, we should no longer comment on the players, the manager, the tactics etc because it is all the Sheikh & Khaldoon's fault.

Can we debate the Sheikh and Khaldoon?

Where have I said anywhere that you aren't allowed to debate it ? I've said that I think you are all talking complete and utter shite,not that you aren't allowed to.

And yes, debate the Sheikh & Khaldoon.

You should do. That's why it's bullshit. If you have a complaint then put the blame where it lies. If we threw money at everything like PSG have been doing, most of the players would sign but we aren't. We are operating with the full direction of the owner & if you aren't happy With that then you should all get on his case. If they wanted to outbid everyone & pay agents backhanders, they would order Marwood, Tricky etc to do so.

I'm completely 100% happy with it & think some City fans are becoming like spoilt brats, but I have never said they are not entitled to spout whatever ill informed, tripe they wish to; that is their right. They should imo though have the balls to criticise the top but would appear really stupid, so bottle out & go for soft,easy targets instead.

Ted, you talk about blame where there is none. There's no blame attached, just the purpose of debate. That's the thing you do, like the one where you talk about tactics et al. It could all come back to the owner as he employs everybody.

As for spoilt, you're probably right but at the same time they seem to be in the minority. But tell me, what's this ill informed tripe you talk about, what's been said in this, or other threads, that's ill informed?

It seems that a few have taken the view that they are totally ITK and see others debate as nonsense when the reality is that most know fuck all about what's going on but decipher the news in a different way.

[Beefymcfc]

Fucking hell, it gets worse. You say 'Lickers' but it sounds like your chomping down or Txiki's cock. It sounds like your taking the 'Licking' to a new level of tongue.

And where's the 'Slamming of our CEO', I've not seen any of that? But you're right, I'm no longer a fan/supporter of the club, I'm now just a customer. By being a customer it must now mean that I don't hold the same virtues as before and I just walk away from the investment. Those employees, who've obviously been here well before, and will be here after I have left, are the true reasoning behind Manchester City Football Club. All those years of investment given by them, what was I thinking.

I like it though Doomy, I no longer need to have any emotional attachment, just another customer based business deal from now on.

Answering my sarcasm with that response was honestly just confusing.

You're American, it's not hard.

[Ted Hughes]

How can you say it's bullshit mate, you've just made the purpose of this forum redundant. We can no longer debate the top corridor?

In fact, we should no longer comment on the players, the manager, the tactics etc because it is all the Sheikh & Khaldoon's fault.

Can we debate the Sheikh and Khaldoon?

Where have I said anywhere that you aren't allowed to debate it ? I've said that I think you are all talking complete and utter shite,not that you aren't allowed to.

And yes, debate the Sheikh & Khaldoon.

You should do. That's why it's bullshit. If you have a complaint then put the blame where it lies. If we threw money at everything like PSG have been doing, most of the players would sign but we aren't. We are operating with the full direction of the owner & if you aren't happy With that then you should all get on his case. If they wanted to outbid everyone & pay agents backhanders, they would order Marwood, Tricky etc to do so.

I'm completely 100% happy with it & think some City fans are becoming like spoilt brats, but I have never said they are not entitled to spout whatever ill informed, tripe they wish to; that is their right. They should imo though have the balls to criticise the top but would appear really stupid, so bottle out & go for soft,easy targets instead.

Ted, you talk about blame where there is none. There's no blame attached, just the purpose of debate. That's the thing you do, like the one where you talk about tactics et al. It could all come back to the owner as he employs everybody.

As for spoilt, you're probably right but at the same time they seem to be in the minority. But tell me, what's this ill informed tripe you talk about, what's been said in this, or other threads, that's ill informed?

It seems that a few have taken the view that they are totally ITK and see others debate as nonsense when the reality is that most know fuck all about what's going on but decipher the news in a different way.

We had the same shite last year.

I pointed people to quotes from the chairman regarding transfers but nobody took a blind bit of notice because Mancini was behaving like a twat; others joined in.

What happened next ? Mancini was fired, not Marwood. Surely it doesn't need Sherlock fucking Holmes to figure out who the Sheikh was backing ? You really think he'd just stand there & let all this happen if he wanted different ?

Khaldoon spelled it out. If People don't like it, they should put the blame where it lies, not hide behind Marwood or Soriano like Mancini did because he hasn't got the balls to criticise the Sheikh or Khaldoon.

[Beefymcfc]

How can you say it's bullshit mate, you've just made the purpose of this forum redundant. We can no longer debate the top corridor?

In fact, we should no longer comment on the players, the manager, the tactics etc because it is all the Sheikh & Khaldoon's fault.

Can we debate the Sheikh and Khaldoon?

Where have I said anywhere that you aren't allowed to debate it ? I've said that I think you are all talking complete and utter shite,not that you aren't allowed to.

And yes, debate the Sheikh & Khaldoon.

You should do. That's why it's bullshit. If you have a complaint then put the blame where it lies. If we threw money at everything like PSG have been doing, most of the players would sign but we aren't. We are operating with the full direction of the owner & if you aren't happy With that then you should all get on his case. If they wanted to outbid everyone & pay agents backhanders, they would order Marwood, Tricky etc to do so.

I'm completely 100% happy with it & think some City fans are becoming like spoilt brats, but I have never said they are not entitled to spout whatever ill informed, tripe they wish to; that is their right. They should imo though have the balls to criticise the top but would appear really stupid, so bottle out & go for soft,easy targets instead.

Ted, you talk about blame where there is none. There's no blame attached, just the purpose of debate. That's the thing you do, like the one where you talk about tactics et al. It could all come back to the owner as he employs everybody.

As for spoilt, you're probably right but at the same time they seem to be in the minority. But tell me, what's this ill informed tripe you talk about, what's been said in this, or other threads, that's ill informed?

It seems that a few have taken the view that they are totally ITK and see others debate as nonsense when the reality is that most know fuck all about what's going on but decipher the news in a different way.

We had the same shite last year.

I pointed people to quotes from the chairman regarding transfers but nobody took a blind bit of notice because Mancini was behaving like a twat; others joined in.

What happened next ? Mancini was fired, not Marwood. Surely it doesn't need Sherlock fucking Holmes to figure out who the Sheikh was backing ? You really think he'd just stand there & let all this happen if he wanted different ?

Khaldoon spelled it out. If People don't like it, they should put the blame where it lies, not hide behind Marwood or Soriano like Mancini did because he hasn't got the balls to criticise the Sheikh or Khaldoon.

I personally blame Khaldoon for keeping Mancini on but it was very difficult after his comeback to win the league. Sorriano and Txiki, who Khaldoon knew were coming in, would never be able to work with a manager like Mancini as he wouldn't take on what they wanted; he was his own man.

We all know that Mancini was Khaldoon's choice and to be fair he turned out to be the perfect person at the time; it worked even though I didn't think it would. For the Spaniards, Mancini wasn't the man and I just wish someone would've had the balls to call it time.

[Ted Hughes]

How can you say it's bullshit mate, you've just made the purpose of this forum redundant. We can no longer debate the top corridor?

In fact, we should no longer comment on the players, the manager, the tactics etc because it is all the Sheikh & Khaldoon's fault.

Can we debate the Sheikh and Khaldoon?

Where have I said anywhere that you aren't allowed to debate it ? I've said that I think you are all talking complete and utter shite,not that you aren't allowed to.

And yes, debate the Sheikh & Khaldoon.

You should do. That's why it's bullshit. If you have a complaint then put the blame where it lies. If we threw money at everything like PSG have been doing, most of the players would sign but we aren't. We are operating with the full direction of the owner & if you aren't happy With that then you should all get on his case. If they wanted to outbid everyone & pay agents backhanders, they would order Marwood, Tricky etc to do so.

I'm completely 100% happy with it & think some City fans are becoming like spoilt brats, but I have never said they are not entitled to spout whatever ill informed, tripe they wish to; that is their right. They should imo though have the balls to criticise the top but would appear really stupid, so bottle out & go for soft,easy targets instead.

Ted, you talk about blame where there is none. There's no blame attached, just the purpose of debate. That's the thing you do, like the one where you talk about tactics et al. It could all come back to the owner as he employs everybody.

As for spoilt, you're probably right but at the same time they seem to be in the minority. But tell me, what's this ill informed tripe you talk about, what's been said in this, or other threads, that's ill informed?

It seems that a few have taken the view that they are totally ITK and see others debate as nonsense when the reality is that most know fuck all about what's going on but decipher the news in a different way.

We had the same shite last year.

I pointed people to quotes from the chairman regarding transfers but nobody took a blind bit of notice because Mancini was behaving like a twat; others joined in.

What happened next ? Mancini was fired, not Marwood. Surely it doesn't need Sherlock fucking Holmes to figure out who the Sheikh was backing ? You really think he'd just stand there & let all this happen if he wanted different ?

Khaldoon spelled it out. If People don't like it, they should put the blame where it lies, not hide behind Marwood or Soriano like Mancini did because he hasn't got the balls to criticise the Sheikh or Khaldoon.

I personally blame Khaldoon for keeping Mancini on but it was very difficult after his comeback to win the league. Sorriano and Txiki, who Khaldoon knew were coming in, would never be able to work with a manager like Mancini as he wouldn't take on what they wanted; he was his own man.

We all know that Mancini was Khaldoon's choice and to be fair he turned out to be the perfect person at the time; it worked even though I didn't think it would. For the Spaniards, Mancini wasn't the man and I just wish someone would've had the balls to call it time.

The 'project' has always been about the academy. That was Khaldoon's overriding interest when he first arrived. Then he sent people around the world to draw up information on how successful sporting academies work. One of the places they visited was Barca. Now the guys from Barca work for us.

Mancini put his mate in charge of the EDS & played his shit sons plus one of their mates in the teams.

I said on here many times that this would not be going unnoticed by Khaldoon as it's his baby, but I got shot down by people such as Il Douche, rambling endless bollocks telling me it was unimportant & I was being unreasonable criticising Bob for it.

Well he's gone.

Imo, if he'd shown a passion for 'the Project' rather than just wanting to spend money, they may have backed him rather than the players.

In ten yers, if the academy isn't producing regular players for the first team, then the Spaniards, Marwood & Vieira will have failed.

Missing out on a few transfer targets in the meantime is insignificant; it happens to everyone. We have won more than we have lost. We will continue to win & lose some, no matter who is in charge.