Future Stadiums

[Beeks]

If we have a club which brings a small following, the stadium should be flexible enough to cater for them in an area which doesn't hinder existing arrangements, or prevent city fans from buying a ticket because we're losing 200+ seats (such as Arsenal last week) due to a no mans land.

Good idea that...like an enclosure within an enclosure with the option for the home fans to buy up tickets around it should the away support be poor

[Vhero]

Wow this topic spanned off a little. I think if we do think about building a new stadium maybe yet another relocation might be a better idea?? I mean they had room for a MEGA casino near our ground so there's obviously plenty of room left. Especially since the Mega Casino has now been scrapped. That way we can keep playing where we are and give the ground back to the council if that's possible. I think there is a lot of paperwork to be done on this matter before we can even think about extending/moving. Not so sure which is harder for us however something needs to be done soon if we don't want to start losing profits.

[Manx Blue]

If we have a club which brings a small following, the stadium should be flexible enough to cater for them in an area which doesn't hinder existing arrangements, or prevent city fans from buying a ticket because we're losing 200+ seats (such as Arsenal last week) due to a no mans land.

Good idea that...like an enclosure within an enclosure with the option for the home fans to buy up tickets around it should the away support be poor

Yes....for example the South Stand, and splitting of the seats between the clubs is a bone of contention at present amongst some people.

If we had a a club brining a few hundred fans, why can't they be contained to the tier above in front of the Legends Lounge, for example? This could then free up seats behind the goal for use by our own support.

This thing about the club being unable to move supporters and change area must surely be crap, as they gave the Arse an increased allocation last week, and I take it they moved the barriers within the stand as a result?

[Manx Blue]

Wow this topic spanned off a little. I think if we do think about building a new stadium maybe yet another relocation might be a better idea?? I mean they had room for a MEGA casino near our ground so there's obviously plenty of room left. Especially since the Mega Casino has now been scrapped. That way we can keep playing where we are and give the ground back to the council if that's possible. I think there is a lot of paperwork to be done on this matter before we can even think about extending/moving. Not so sure which is harder for us however something needs to be done soon if we don't want to start losing profits.

My fault Vhero....apologies chaps.

[Vhero]

Wow this topic spanned off a little. I think if we do think about building a new stadium maybe yet another relocation might be a better idea?? I mean they had room for a MEGA casino near our ground so there's obviously plenty of room left. Especially since the Mega Casino has now been scrapped. That way we can keep playing where we are and give the ground back to the council if that's possible. I think there is a lot of paperwork to be done on this matter before we can even think about extending/moving. Not so sure which is harder for us however something needs to be done soon if we don't want to start losing profits.

My fault Vhero....apologies chaps.

Nah not a prob mate it spanned off in a good way though lol.

[13021J]

Dunno LAHAD....I can only repeat what I heard on the plane. Will it happen? I doubt it myself.

Sheikh Mansour would be looking at buying the land/stadium, knocking it down and then re-building. that's a hell of a lot of cash. Plus what happens if he has some form of cash flow problem? I know that sound silly, but look at what's happened to Dubai in Recent Weeks?

Lots of answers to questions we will need before building we do....mmm Yes!

Cash flow problems, are you mad, Abu Dhabi is not another Dubai waiting to happen. Dubai has no oil and a sovereign wealth fund of circa $30bn, whereas Abu Dhabi has a sovereign wealth fund in the region of $650bn. If anything they are likely to buy Dubai's prize assets such as Emirates, maybe our stadium will also be called The Emirates soon??!

So you can see into the future mate?

Im not saying the Sheikh wont lose interest but Abu Dhabi will not run out of cash anytime soon. If Dubai had taken over Liverpool a couple of years back they would be back to square one!

[bobadji]

Re: united not being a record, it's due to the amount of segregation, stewards etc.

[Fish111]

Can anyone tell me the possible capacity of CoMS if we were to build the 3rd tier all round?

It was reported as being in the region of 58,000 john.

[lets all have a disco]

I think we need to go bigger than 58k,If were doing it we should do it properly and make it 70-75k.

So what if we have a few empty spaces for a bit,do it.

[Manx Blue]

Can anyone tell me the possible capacity of CoMS if we were to build the 3rd tier all round?

It was reported as being in the region of 58,000 john.

I was almost going to say 60,000. COMS is built on a similar design to the Reebok, and I'm sure the emirates is fairly similar to us

[lets all have a disco]

I remember us being at Maine Road and being really jealous of the Reebok when Bolton moved,True story.
We was residing in a yes a larger but knackered old mis match of a ground that was falling down,oh how times change.

[john68]

Can anyone tell me the possible capacity of CoMS if we were to build the 3rd tier all round?

It was reported as being in the region of 58,000 john.

Thanks Fish Mate.
Agree with LAHAD, that just would not seem good enough. If we consider the lifespan of the stadium and think about our ambitions, we rose from Maine Road's 33,000 to our present capacity in a short space of time. I think we would find the extra 10,000 quite quickly too. We need to think higher than that.
Maybe developing Eastlands will be unfeasable in the longer term.

[Socrates]

Apparently the steel and girders are to build a fence round the pitch at Eastlands, so Douglas can't see the tactics we are using and report back on here.

I think we are now at the point where the club do need to do something if they want Eastlands to reach its potential for attendances.
It isn't worth doing so, if the present rent deal with the council continues. We would get smaller profits and the council would gain.

It wouldn't though, would it? It would only be valid for attendances above Maine Road and up to the present COMS capacity but wouldn't be applicable for the attendances above the current COMS if the redevelopment was paid for by the club not the council.

[TomS]

An example for building an new ground inside the older one....



The Zentralstadion Leipzig, built for WC 2006.
Now used for concert and 4/5th league football.

[john@staustell]

Can anyone tell me the possible capacity of CoMS if we were to build the 3rd tier all round?

It was reported as being in the region of 58,000 john.

Thanks Fish Mate.
Agree with LAHAD, that just would not seem good enough. If we consider the lifespan of the stadium and think about our ambitions, we rose from Maine Road's 33,000 to our present capacity in a short space of time. I think we would find the extra 10,000 quite quickly too. We need to think higher than that.
Maybe developing Eastlands will be unfeasable in the longer term.

Agree John. I think in all our stadium debates we sometimes lose sight of the declared intention of the Sheik to make us THE biggest club in the world. There's no way he would be happy with even some English stadia being bigger than ours. This may go some way to explain why we are short of news/plans on this. Maybe the plans are much grander than we on here can envisage, and they are held back as it would probably be inappropriate to start talking about 100,000 stadium just now (except for the cup semi of course!!).

Me I'd just go for it, but then they seem to be more sensible than most of us!

[lets all have a disco]

An example for building an new ground inside the older one....



The Zentralstadion Leipzig, built for WC 2006.
Now used for concert and 4/5th league football.

Im thinking of doing it the other way round.

The oustside bowl be the new ground and the new bit old if you understand.

[the_georgian_genius]

60k is our maximum matchday support. That's all we should extend it upto. There's no point in building an 80k stadium and only getting 45k vs Fulham or Portsmouth.

[lets all have a disco]

Lets build one of these badboys.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/images ... k.0811.jpg

Maybe with a better outside but the internals look good,plus why dont we build a ground that will be initially 65k but easily updated as this is.

In blue,this would be top.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... mePano.jpg

[Knappe]

An example for building an new ground inside the older one....



The Zentralstadion Leipzig, built for WC 2006.
Now used for concert and 4/5th league football.

well Tom, RED BULL Leipzig is on the horizon to fill that space, arghhhh

every german club with a modern world cup stadium (Frankfurt Schalke, Hamburg) has today an average attendance, that is 10.000 to 15.000 higher than in the 90ties. There seems to be a type of fan, who is only watching football with a certain level of comfort guaranteed

[john@staustell]

60k is our maximum matchday support. That's all we should extend it upto. There's no point in building an 80k stadium and only getting 45k vs Fulham or Portsmouth.

Where's that from GG? If it's historical then there are far more fans going to the likes of SCUM, Chelsea and Arsenal today than ever, most clubs I reckon. We haven't even tapped the glory hunter market yet and we have a much more solid base than Chelsea did before the late nineties, much more.

New bigger stadia attract more fans, dont ask me why but they do!