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Postby Hazy2 » Fri May 17, 2013 8:25 am

Scatman wrote:
john68 wrote:Being serious Michael. I don't agree with the sacking No. Am I upset? No Mate, I have seen too many come and go since McDowall in 63. Mancini will be well paid and soon back in work.

I am not rubbishing whoever our next guy is Mate. I am a blue and will remain supportive of my club.

I am rubbishing the shite that is coming out from Pixie and Dixie. They are lying and their lies are so blatant that it's an insult to City fans. They are treating supporters like sheep.


What do you believe to be the truth?


Not wanting to stir upto much but at Barca, they were both well repected Liked not sure, they have some history in the dark arts.
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Postby john68 » Fri May 17, 2013 4:34 pm

Hazy,

At the risk of some illiterate suggesting I am saying the total opposite, I don't think this has anything to do with Mancini's football record nor his persona. Everyone involved at City was and is well aware of who and what Mancini is. They also were and are well aware of the working environment he had set around him. Both the Sheik and Khaldoon were satisfied with their project under mancini's guidance, proven by a hugely increased and long term contract.

Sorry and Trixie were brought in to evolve City in 2 areas. Expand and increase our commercial sector and embed a City Football Culture within the club rather than a manager/personality, in order to also embed stability. I am fully in favour of both those things happening.

The devil is in the detail Hazy...If we look at the swamp, much of what the rags have put in place has been positive from their club point of view and also benefited their customers. Other things put in place have benefited their club but at a financial and social cost to their customers. Whilst City's increased commercial and global expansion is necessary and positive, I do think it wise to remain alert to other aspects of the clubs commercial activity at home. The rags massively increased their capacity but some of that was at a cost financially to their customers and many were disenfranchised. We should NOT merely accept what is going on but question.

I fully support the embedding of City Football Culture within the club. Rather than seeing the club pushed and pulled by each change of manager, it gives us a greater stability. But, there are worries I have about how this is being done at City. 1) The model being put in place. 2) Who is controlling that model. 3) The amount of power and control they have and how they are removing anyone who may give rise to questioning their policy. It all adds up to power and control.

Please don't jump on me yet as I will expand the football model thing in a subsequent post.
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Postby john68 » Fri May 17, 2013 5:09 pm

The football model.

Since the 1960s, there have been 2 extremely successful football dynasties (and others less successful or over a shorter period). At Liverpool, Shankly instituted the boot room. It was a place of open debate and often fierce argument. Those involved were all football based. It embedded stabilty but never stifled debate. It enabled Liverpool to change managers and remain successful. Liverpool failed when the boot room culture (for whatever reason ended).
The other more recent successful dynasty was/is at the swamp. Instituted by Taggart and designed by him. His style differed from the boot room in that it was is a patriarchal and dictatorial model. Sadly (for us) Taggart just happened to be somewhat superb at his job.

The important factors in both those dynasties is the quality of the football brains that drove them. It is no coincidence that Taggart has remained in situ. Though Moyes is the coach, Taggart will be on hand as a background Director of football, on hand to assist his protege and ease his passage. Taggart will ensure that the changeover will be as seamless as possible and ensure there is no power vacuum or opposition to that. Don't expect any major collapses in the longer term.

Sadly for us, Trixie has neither of those qualities. He has no history of being a football master brain or strategist. THE Barca model he is intent on setting up was not his. He joined it when it was fully operational and subsequently left it. Yet he is the man charged with creating and developing City's future. Not only is he NOT the Taggart figure, he has also ensured that any questioning or debate will be stifled...so no boot room style discussion or debate either. He is in total control. Whatever he says goes and should there be failure, it will be the coach that is exited. Mancini was not removed because of his record, nor because of his persona. He was removed because he refused to be a puppet.

I worry that reports now suggest that Pellegrini's(?) powers over football policy will be much reduced by Trixie. A top football strategist having to play subservient to a suit on football matters?

For the illiterates...It certainly contains aspect of the Swales era. An era when we slid from top to bottom because he allowed non football men to exert power over team and player affairs.
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Postby mr fu » Fri May 17, 2013 5:46 pm

Just watched some nobber on sky doing his level best to piss Pellegrini off
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Hazy2 » Fri May 17, 2013 5:47 pm

john68 wrote:Hazy,

At the risk of some illiterate suggesting I am saying the total opposite, I don't think this has anything to do with Mancini's football record nor his persona. Everyone involved at City was and is well aware of who and what Mancini is. They also were and are well aware of the working environment he had set around him. Both the Sheik and Khaldoon were satisfied with their project under mancini's guidance, proven by a hugely increased and long term contract.

Sorry and Trixie were brought in to evolve City in 2 areas. Expand and increase our commercial sector and embed a City Football Culture within the club rather than a manager/personality, in order to also embed stability. I am fully in favour of both those things happening.

The devil is in the detail Hazy...If we look at the swamp, much of what the rags have put in place has been positive from their club point of view and also benefited their customers. Other things put in place have benefited their club but at a financial and social cost to their customers. Whilst City's increased commercial and global expansion is necessary and positive, I do think it wise to remain alert to other aspects of the clubs commercial activity at home. The rags massively increased their capacity but some of that was at a cost financially to their customers and many were disenfranchised. We should NOT merely accept what is going on but question.

I fully support the embedding of City Football Culture within the club. Rather than seeing the club pushed and pulled by each change of manager, it gives us a greater stability. But, there are worries I have about how this is being done at City. 1) The model being put in place. 2) Who is controlling that model. 3) The amount of power and control they have and how they are removing anyone who may give rise to questioning their policy. It all adds up to power and control.

Please don't jump on me yet as I will expand the football model thing in a subsequent post.



John, please I am a big boy member at Barca and watch football live all over Europe, The last week has been so bad for many reasons. The Mancini exit was when and nothing more, I was not a fan of his, I was the 1st to say he is gone last Friday 4.00 ish.

I am and will be forever looking upon his time with the greatest of thoughts, nothing he has done in the last 12 months will diminish his achievments at the great club that is MCFC. On 8th April we pissed all over the rags who came to laugh at us, what has happened . What we have seen over the past week is disgusting on so many levels I am stunned. How fans have not asked more of wtf is going on is beyond me, If ever the chant that used to ring around Maine Rd was to be re-hashed this is it. The future is bright and the club is in the hands of great owners. The Barca boys have been named Ghosts by me, for some time. I spoke at Euston with a great winger for City big in shirts, No comment. The silence today and all week from the club takes me back to The Makin days and a debate with Socs and NDQP. Mushrooms or fans take your pick. Soriano is a sneaky little shit, Read up on him, that is not to say he is top draw, how this week has been allowed to happen is more of a concern than anything to me as it is Chelsea Mk 2 if anyone doubts that why have we not allowed the season to end as it does in 48 hours. 3.5 yrs time over for Mancini after Norwich how hard was it.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Fri May 17, 2013 6:23 pm

Hazy2 wrote:
john68 wrote:Hazy,

At the risk of some illiterate suggesting I am saying the total opposite, I don't think this has anything to do with Mancini's football record nor his persona. Everyone involved at City was and is well aware of who and what Mancini is. They also were and are well aware of the working environment he had set around him. Both the Sheik and Khaldoon were satisfied with their project under mancini's guidance, proven by a hugely increased and long term contract.

Sorry and Trixie were brought in to evolve City in 2 areas. Expand and increase our commercial sector and embed a City Football Culture within the club rather than a manager/personality, in order to also embed stability. I am fully in favour of both those things happening.

The devil is in the detail Hazy...If we look at the swamp, much of what the rags have put in place has been positive from their club point of view and also benefited their customers. Other things put in place have benefited their club but at a financial and social cost to their customers. Whilst City's increased commercial and global expansion is necessary and positive, I do think it wise to remain alert to other aspects of the clubs commercial activity at home. The rags massively increased their capacity but some of that was at a cost financially to their customers and many were disenfranchised. We should NOT merely accept what is going on but question.

I fully support the embedding of City Football Culture within the club. Rather than seeing the club pushed and pulled by each change of manager, it gives us a greater stability. But, there are worries I have about how this is being done at City. 1) The model being put in place. 2) Who is controlling that model. 3) The amount of power and control they have and how they are removing anyone who may give rise to questioning their policy. It all adds up to power and control.

Please don't jump on me yet as I will expand the football model thing in a subsequent post.



John, please I am a big boy member at Barca and watch football live all over Europe, The last week has been so bad for many reasons. The Mancini exit was when and nothing more, I was not a fan of his, I was the 1st to say he is gone last Friday 4.00 ish.

I am and will be forever looking upon his time with the greatest of thoughts, nothing he has done in the last 12 months will diminish his achievments at the great club that is MCFC. On 8th April we pissed all over the rags who came to laugh at us, what has happened . What we have seen over the past week is disgusting on so many levels I am stunned. How fans have not asked more of wtf is going on is beyond me, If ever the chant that used to ring around Maine Rd was to be re-hashed this is it. The future is bright and the club is in the hands of great owners. The Barca boys have been named Ghosts by me, for some time. I spoke at Euston with a great winger for City big in shirts, No comment. The silence today and all week from the club takes me back to The Makin days and a debate with Socs and NDQP. Mushrooms or fans take your pick. Soriano is a sneaky little shit, Read up on him, that is not to say he is top draw, how this week has been allowed to happen is more of a concern than anything to me as it is Chelsea Mk 2 if anyone doubts that why have we not allowed the season to end as it does in 48 hours. 3.5 yrs time over for Mancini after Norwich how hard was it.


Because Barc made sure the possible signing of Pellegrini was leaked out to the tabloids (Alledgedly)...City had no choice but to sack him Monday morning.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Nigels Tackle » Fri May 17, 2013 6:32 pm

if only the world was run by taxi drivers...

they know everyfuckingthing
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Re: pellegrini

Postby john68 » Fri May 17, 2013 6:38 pm

Nigels Tackle wrote:if only the world was run by taxi drivers...

they know everyfuckingthing


Cab drivers and hairdressers Nigel....W C Filds was a very perceptive man...:-)

If the reports are to be believed Carl. Barca are the culprits. And to damage City...they timed it well. Put them on the hit list Mate.
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Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Fri May 17, 2013 6:54 pm

john68 wrote:Hazy,

At the risk of some illiterate suggesting I am saying the total opposite, I don't think this has anything to do with Mancini's football record nor his persona. Everyone involved at City was and is well aware of who and what Mancini is. They also were and are well aware of the working environment he had set around him. Both the Sheik and Khaldoon were satisfied with their project under mancini's guidance, proven by a hugely increased and long term contract.

Sorry and Trixie were brought in to evolve City in 2 areas. Expand and increase our commercial sector and embed a City Football Culture within the club rather than a manager/personality, in order to also embed stability. I am fully in favour of both those things happening.

The devil is in the detail Hazy...If we look at the swamp, much of what the rags have put in place has been positive from their club point of view and also benefited their customers. Other things put in place have benefited their club but at a financial and social cost to their customers. Whilst City's increased commercial and global expansion is necessary and positive, I do think it wise to remain alert to other aspects of the clubs commercial activity at home. The rags massively increased their capacity but some of that was at a cost financially to their customers and many were disenfranchised. We should NOT merely accept what is going on but question.

I fully support the embedding of City Football Culture within the club. Rather than seeing the club pushed and pulled by each change of manager, it gives us a greater stability. But, there are worries I have about how this is being done at City. 1) The model being put in place. 2) Who is controlling that model. 3) The amount of power and control they have and how they are removing anyone who may give rise to questioning their policy. It all adds up to power and control.

Please don't jump on me yet as I will expand the football model thing in a subsequent post.


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Re: pellegrini

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Fri May 17, 2013 7:35 pm

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:
john68 wrote:Hazy,

At the risk of some illiterate suggesting I am saying the total opposite, I don't think this has anything to do with Mancini's football record nor his persona. Everyone involved at City was and is well aware of who and what Mancini is. They also were and are well aware of the working environment he had set around him. Both the Sheik and Khaldoon were satisfied with their project under mancini's guidance, proven by a hugely increased and long term contract.

Sorry and Trixie were brought in to evolve City in 2 areas. Expand and increase our commercial sector and embed a City Football Culture within the club rather than a manager/personality, in order to also embed stability. I am fully in favour of both those things happening.

The devil is in the detail Hazy...If we look at the swamp, much of what the rags have put in place has been positive from their club point of view and also benefited their customers. Other things put in place have benefited their club but at a financial and social cost to their customers. Whilst City's increased commercial and global expansion is necessary and positive, I do think it wise to remain alert to other aspects of the clubs commercial activity at home. The rags massively increased their capacity but some of that was at a cost financially to their customers and many were disenfranchised. We should NOT merely accept what is going on but question.

I fully support the embedding of City Football Culture within the club. Rather than seeing the club pushed and pulled by each change of manager, it gives us a greater stability. But, there are worries I have about how this is being done at City. 1) The model being put in place. 2) Who is controlling that model. 3) The amount of power and control they have and how they are removing anyone who may give rise to questioning their policy. It all adds up to power and control.

Please don't jump on me yet as I will expand the football model thing in a subsequent post.


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Re: pellegrini

Postby john68 » Fri May 17, 2013 7:35 pm

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:
john68 wrote:Hazy,

At the risk of some illiterate suggesting I am saying the total opposite, I don't think this has anything to do with Mancini's football record nor his persona. Everyone involved at City was and is well aware of who and what Mancini is. They also were and are well aware of the working environment he had set around him. Both the Sheik and Khaldoon were satisfied with their project under mancini's guidance, proven by a hugely increased and long term contract.

Sorry and Trixie were brought in to evolve City in 2 areas. Expand and increase our commercial sector and embed a City Football Culture within the club rather than a manager/personality, in order to also embed stability. I am fully in favour of both those things happening.

The devil is in the detail Hazy...If we look at the swamp, much of what the rags have put in place has been positive from their club point of view and also benefited their customers. Other things put in place have benefited their club but at a financial and social cost to their customers. Whilst City's increased commercial and global expansion is necessary and positive, I do think it wise to remain alert to other aspects of the clubs commercial activity at home. The rags massively increased their capacity but some of that was at a cost financially to their customers and many were disenfranchised. We should NOT merely accept what is going on but question.

I fully support the embedding of City Football Culture within the club. Rather than seeing the club pushed and pulled by each change of manager, it gives us a greater stability. But, there are worries I have about how this is being done at City. 1) The model being put in place. 2) Who is controlling that model. 3) The amount of power and control they have and how they are removing anyone who may give rise to questioning their policy. It all adds up to power and control.

Please don't jump on me yet as I will expand the football model thing in a subsequent post.


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Re: pellegrini

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Fri May 17, 2013 8:15 pm

john68 wrote:
Mikhail Chigorin wrote:
john68 wrote:Hazy,

At the risk of some illiterate suggesting I am saying the total opposite, I don't think this has anything to do with Mancini's football record nor his persona. Everyone involved at City was and is well aware of who and what Mancini is. They also were and are well aware of the working environment he had set around him. Both the Sheik and Khaldoon were satisfied with their project under mancini's guidance, proven by a hugely increased and long term contract.

Sorry and Trixie were brought in to evolve City in 2 areas. Expand and increase our commercial sector and embed a City Football Culture within the club rather than a manager/personality, in order to also embed stability. I am fully in favour of both those things happening.

The devil is in the detail Hazy...If we look at the swamp, much of what the rags have put in place has been positive from their club point of view and also benefited their customers. Other things put in place have benefited their club but at a financial and social cost to their customers. Whilst City's increased commercial and global expansion is necessary and positive, I do think it wise to remain alert to other aspects of the clubs commercial activity at home. The rags massively increased their capacity but some of that was at a cost financially to their customers and many were disenfranchised. We should NOT merely accept what is going on but question.

I fully support the embedding of City Football Culture within the club. Rather than seeing the club pushed and pulled by each change of manager, it gives us a greater stability. But, there are worries I have about how this is being done at City. 1) The model being put in place. 2) Who is controlling that model. 3) The amount of power and control they have and how they are removing anyone who may give rise to questioning their policy. It all adds up to power and control.

Please don't jump on me yet as I will expand the football model thing in a subsequent post.


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Postby patrickblue » Fri May 17, 2013 8:24 pm

Now here's a nightmare scenario.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... re-3865229

City go back to the future as snubbed Blues are offered fresh hope by Mancini departure
17 May 2013 08:04
Could Roque Santa Cruz return to City to lead the line in the Premier League next season after thriving under Pellegrini at Malaga?

What are the odds on Roque Santa Cruz returning to City to lead the line in the Premier League next season?

Pretty slim, even though the Paraguayan has found his feet during his loan spell at Malaga, playing under incoming City boss Manuel Pellegrini.

There is a strong feeling that Santa Cruz’s days at City are done after he played just 24 times for the club, scoring four goals, in a season and a half with the Blues, with his contract expiring next month.

Santa Cruz, written off by Roberto Mancini as he struggled with injury problems throughout his stay at City, has been re-born under Pellegrini, scoring 12 times in 43 appearances this season including two against Real Madrid and the goal that sent Malaga into the Champions League quarter-finals.

Stranger things have happened in football than Santa Cruz’s return.

But the very fact there have been suggestions he might come back to City is a stark reminder the futures of some players at the club, and some prospective targets, are back in the melting pot.

A few days ago it was taken for granted that Kolo Toure, Edin Dzeko, Aleks Kolarov and Scott Sinclair would be leaving this summer – as Roberto Mancini had said so before he was bundled out of the exit door.

There have also been serious question marks over the futures of Joleon Lescott, Gareth Barry, Javi Garcia, Maicon, Samir Nasri, Micah Richards, Carlos Tevez and even Sergio Aguero.

No doubt football director Txiki Begiristain will be in close contact with Pellegrini, who is expected to take up his post on July 1, to discuss all the options on those players, and on City’s intended targets.

It is unlikely Mancini’s departure will change anything with regard to Dzeko, Sinclair or out-of-contract Kolo Toure, while Kolarov’s fate may depend on how keen he is to stay and fight for a place.

Lescott is an interesting case. He sought assurances from the club’s hierarchy during the

January transfer window after falling out of favour with Mancini. Perhaps tellingly, it was Begiristain who assured him he had a future at City – Mancini’s position was already under scrutiny at that point.

It was noticeable that caretaker manager Brian Kidd named Lescott in his team at Reading on Tuesday night, and mentioned his contribution to a fine performance.

Pellegrini is an attacking coach, but he is smart enough to know that sometimes in the Premier League there is no substitute for an experienced, powerful defender, especially one like Lescott who is an influential voice in the dressing room.

One of Pellegrini’s old players at Villarreal said he was the kind of coach who you would be happy to go to war alongside – the same epithet is true of Lescott, and maybe Pellegrini, and Begiristain, have recognised that.

Barry still has one year left on his contract, but this season he has again proved his worth, perhaps being City’s most consistent performers.

Like Lescott he is a seasoned veteran of English football and has a huge amount to offer.

Whether Pellegrini thinks he could take on the best in the Champions League with Barry in his team – he likes fast, mobile midfielders – remains to be seen, but few City fans doubt that the England player still has plenty to offer in domestic competition.

Garcia may be getting a sense of deja vu. He was at Real Madrid when Pellegrini was appointed Bernabeu boss in June, 2009 – and within six weeks he had gone, sold to Benfica and replaced by Xabi Alonso.

Whether the Chilean’s opinion of Garcia has changed since then is unclear. Garcia has resurrected his career in Portuguese football, and it remains unclear how much of his under-achievement at City was down to the need to settle in his first season.

Nasri has started to show why Mancini saw him as a key player in his attacking jigsaw – unfortunately it was too late to save the Italian’s skin.

But the French ace, when he is on top of his game, is the kind of player Pellegrini likes – technically good, quick, sharp and incisive, and City are hoping the new man will get the best out of the £24m purchase – without suggesting he needs a punch!

Richards has also fallen under a cloud in Mancini’s reign. The powerhouse defender has been a firm fans’ favourite, but he was said to be privately fuming at Mancini’s treatment of him during his six-month injury absence and subsequent return.

Mancini his previously joked that Richards, with his injury record, is made of crystal, and he dismissed the original diagnosis of the player’s knee injury, saying he would be out for four weeks rather than four months.

Richards underwent surgery and ended up out for six months. When he did return, after two reserve games, he was played for 83 minutes despite looking rusty, and was criticised and left out of the squad in the aftermath.

It was puzzlingly harsh treatment, especially of a player who is a devoted Blue, would happily stay at the club for life, and has the potential to do so.

He, too, played on Tuesday night and was handed the captain's armband in the absence of Vincent Kompany.

Tevez’s future also remains cloudy but his issues with Mancini have remained a problem until now, even though they made up after their very public row in Munich, and Tevez’s subsequent unauthorised holiday in Argentina.

This season Mancini’s treatment of a man who many see as his best striker has been curious.

Tevez has been substituted 24 times this season, more than any other player – and he walked off the pitch at Wembley on Saturday with a wry grin on his face as he was replaced by Jack Rodwell, with the game goalless and 21 minutes left.

Pellegrini has a reputation as a good motivator, and if he wants to keep Tevez and can get him firing on all cylinders it would be another bonus for the Blues.

Pellegrini is also said to be a more sympathetic figure than Mancini, and one of his first tasks might be to tackle the problems faced by Aguero.

The striker is reportedly finding it tough to be apart from his children after they were taken back to Argentina by his estranged partner earlier this season.
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Postby Lee_R » Fri May 17, 2013 10:44 pm

Just saw him on SSN signing autographs. Reporters asking him if he was on his way to us. He was saying he cant say anything etc. Seemed a really warm character.
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Postby Alioune DVToure » Fri May 17, 2013 10:56 pm

Lee_R wrote:Just saw him on SSN signing autographs. Reporters asking him if he was on his way to us. He was saying he cant say anything etc. Seemed a really warm character.


Sounds it.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Wooders » Sat May 18, 2013 6:41 am

John - the guys who are instilling the football model are the guys who oversaw the change at barcelona that turned them into the most dominant force in world football, a force that has been in steady decline since they left
I understand your concerns about how the commercials of all this will affect the everyday fan, but i think it will be inevitable whoever is behind the scenes, as FFP has restricted the wings of ambition from abu dhabi and the ambitions of the club need to be paid for in other ways
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Sat May 18, 2013 8:30 am

Tevez was subbed 24 times?

Someone tell NQDP I'm going to make one post about him for every time he was brought off.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sat May 18, 2013 11:06 am

Pretty Boy Lee wrote:Tevez was subbed 24 times?

Someone tell NQDP I'm going to make one post about him for every time he was brought off.


Errr.... you made five posts about each one of those substitutes at the time.
Sometimes we're good and sometimes we're bad but when we're good, at least we're much better than we used to be and when we are bad we're just as bad as we always used to be, so that's got to be good hasn't it?


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Re: pellegrini

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Sat May 18, 2013 11:32 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Errr.... you made five posts about each one of those substitutes at the time.


Touche
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Slim » Sat May 18, 2013 12:02 pm

Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Errr.... you made five posts about each one of those substitutes at the time.


Touche


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