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Re: The Invincibles

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:48 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Rag_hater wrote:Mr Messi has had 220 shots and scored 58 goals,Tranny has had 284 shots and 53 goals.Are they shit cos they have missed so many?
Or do most strikers miss.
I think poeple miss against the rags because there are a combination of factors that come into play i.e the rags defend well,strikers quite often need a few attempts, there are goalkeepers in the way,probably a few more things aswell.
I dont think they miss against them because they feel obliged to.



Managed to have several goes & completely miss what I'm actually getting at. Like a striker playing v the rags.

What are you suggesting? That opposition managers say ' don't even bother trying today, infact if you get a decent chance make sure you stick it wide?

Teams play differently against them because they're a different side to us. They play a more direct game whereas we pass it more, both have their good and bad points. I've seen lots of teams have a go at United this season, Spurs did and they ended up getting beat. Other teams simply don't lie down for them.

You seem to cling to 'luck'. Well over the course of the season everyone plays everyone twice, sure you may have injuries here or injuries there but EVERY team gets that, not just us.

yes they've had a few crap decisions go their way but so have we.
But all this complaining diverts away from the main point is that we simply haven't been good enough in enough games.
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Re: The Invincibles

Postby john68 » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:07 pm

As I read through threads like this and a few others, I get the impression from some that City have imploded and our form has deteriorated dramatically, whilst the rags have this successful formula that has driven them, as always, to the very top.

Let's just get real about this....At the halfway stage of the season, when both clubs had played 19 games, we had the same amount of points.
A win tonight vs Chelsea will leave us 1pt adrift....ONE EFFIN POINT. Since the 2nd half of the season, they have dropped 5pts,we have dropped 6pts. Hardly evidence that the rags are all conquering compared to our collapse. There is ONLY one point difference after all those game.

...and for those convinced that we can't win this, there are still a shedload of games left to play.
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Re: The Invincibles

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:15 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Rag_hater wrote:Mr Messi has had 220 shots and scored 58 goals,Tranny has had 284 shots and 53 goals.Are they shit cos they have missed so many?
Or do most strikers miss.
I think poeple miss against the rags because there are a combination of factors that come into play i.e the rags defend well,strikers quite often need a few attempts, there are goalkeepers in the way,probably a few more things aswell.
I dont think they miss against them because they feel obliged to.



Managed to have several goes & completely miss what I'm actually getting at. Like a striker playing v the rags.

What are you suggesting? That opposition managers say ' don't even bother trying today, infact if you get a decent chance make sure you stick it wide?

Teams play differently against them because they're a different side to us. They play a more direct game whereas we pass it more, both have their good and bad points. I've seen lots of teams have a go at United this season, Spurs did and they ended up getting beat. Other teams simply don't lie down for them.

You seem to cling to 'luck'. Well over the course of the season everyone plays everyone twice, sure you may have injuries here or injuries there but EVERY team gets that, not just us.

yes they've had a few crap decisions go their way but so have we.
But all this complaining diverts away from the main point is that we simply haven't been good enough in enough games.


We have been fucking better than them 70% of the time ! This is bullshit. We have scored more and defended better for most of the season.

And of course I'm not suggesting that players miss deliberately & you know it.

And no, we haven't had even a quarter of the kind of crucial decisions they have had. And don't fucking bring up Balotelli, that was a cowardly decision after the event from a ref who didn't see anything wrong at the time. Rooney Scholes, Evra have all dodged red cards, just to name a few; we have had several incorrect ones.

Somewhere on here, a good while back, I remarked how City had so far almost received mostly the same kind of reffing as Utd, but I also said that early season,the rags quite often get just the odd dodgy decision. I predicted, that when things get tight, the ref's arses go & the decisions start to kick in their favour especially in crucial games. I predicted it would happen exactly when they most needed it & it has. Refs are scared of them. The same things happen with rags opponents; they are concious of the fact that they are playing the great Maan Uuu & a simple tap in finish becomes like taking a pen in a world cup final. The same player 9 out of 10 times, scores that goal v us.

We saw that happen in our favour for a change with the pen at Swansea, when the bloke had time to think & he realised he was facing Joe Hart, his arse went. That is how many of these blokes are from kick off when they play the rags. They turn round and pass the ball backwards sometimes rather than look at the shirts. A simple pass goes sideways & out for a throw in. They miss, literal open nets. The rags had £50 mil Torres in front of an open goal at OT hand them the fucking points on a plate & you think that's normal ? It's taken him months to recover. And guess who he plays next ?

They are a bunch of stuffy cunts who do not deserve to be top of the league this season.

Sooner or later, the Premier League sides will start to play the team on the pitch rather than the myth, like the European sides have this season. It will come.
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Re: The Invincibles

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:23 pm


We have been fucking better than them 70% of the time ! This is bullshit. We have scored more and defended better for most of the season.

And of course I'm not suggesting that players miss deliberately & you know it.

And no, we haven't had even a quarter of the kind of crucial decisions they have had. And don't fucking bring up Balotelli, that was a cowardly decision after the event from a ref who didn't see anything wrong at the time. Rooney Scholes, Evra have all dodged red cards, just to name a few; we have had several incorrect ones.

Somewhere on here, a good while back, I remarked how City had so far almost received mostly the same kind of reffing as Utd, but I also said that early season,the rags quite often get just the odd dodgy decision. I predicted, that when things get tight, the ref's arses go & the decisions start to kick in their favour especially in crucial games. I predicted it would happen exactly when they most needed it & it has. Refs are scared of them. The same things happen with rags opponents; they are concious of the fact that they are playing the great Maan Uuu & a simple tap in finish becomes like taking a pen in a world cup final. The same player 9 out of 10 times, scores that goal v us.

We saw that happen in our favour for a change with the pen at Swansea, when the bloke had time to think & he realised he was facing Joe Hart, his arse went. That is how many of these blokes are from kick off when they play the rags. They turn round and pass the ball backwards sometimes rather than look at the shirts. A simple pass goes sideways & out for a throw in. They miss, literal open nets. The rags had £50 mil Torres in front of an open goal at OT hand them the fucking points on a plate & you think that's normal ? It's taken him months to recover. And guess who he plays next ?

They are a bunch of stuffy cunts who do not deserve to be top of the league this season.

Sooner or later, the Premier League sides will start to play the team on the pitch rather than the myth, like the European sides have this season. It will come.

Well that comes from reputation. But you emphasize too much on it. I can't remember the Rags having that many outrageous decisions go their way and Torres has missed easy chances against everyone this season.
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Re: The Invincibles

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:44 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:

We have been fucking better than them 70% of the time ! This is bullshit. We have scored more and defended better for most of the season.

And of course I'm not suggesting that players miss deliberately & you know it.

And no, we haven't had even a quarter of the kind of crucial decisions they have had. And don't fucking bring up Balotelli, that was a cowardly decision after the event from a ref who didn't see anything wrong at the time. Rooney Scholes, Evra have all dodged red cards, just to name a few; we have had several incorrect ones.

Somewhere on here, a good while back, I remarked how City had so far almost received mostly the same kind of reffing as Utd, but I also said that early season,the rags quite often get just the odd dodgy decision. I predicted, that when things get tight, the ref's arses go & the decisions start to kick in their favour especially in crucial games. I predicted it would happen exactly when they most needed it & it has. Refs are scared of them. The same things happen with rags opponents; they are concious of the fact that they are playing the great Maan Uuu & a simple tap in finish becomes like taking a pen in a world cup final. The same player 9 out of 10 times, scores that goal v us.

We saw that happen in our favour for a change with the pen at Swansea, when the bloke had time to think & he realised he was facing Joe Hart, his arse went. That is how many of these blokes are from kick off when they play the rags. They turn round and pass the ball backwards sometimes rather than look at the shirts. A simple pass goes sideways & out for a throw in. They miss, literal open nets. The rags had £50 mil Torres in front of an open goal at OT hand them the fucking points on a plate & you think that's normal ? It's taken him months to recover. And guess who he plays next ?

They are a bunch of stuffy cunts who do not deserve to be top of the league this season.

Sooner or later, the Premier League sides will start to play the team on the pitch rather than the myth, like the European sides have this season. It will come.

Well that comes from reputation. But you emphasize too much on it. I can't remember the Rags having that many outrageous decisions go their way and Torres has missed easy chances against everyone this season.


If you swapped our decisions in Dec Jan Feb for theirs & vice versa, the title would be over & the psychological damage done to the rags by having game after game after game of unfair shit would be total.

Meanwhile they become the only team to ever win four successive penalties.

Stuffy, stuffy, bastards.
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Re: The Invincibles

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:50 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:

We have been fucking better than them 70% of the time ! This is bullshit. We have scored more and defended better for most of the season.

And of course I'm not suggesting that players miss deliberately & you know it.

And no, we haven't had even a quarter of the kind of crucial decisions they have had. And don't fucking bring up Balotelli, that was a cowardly decision after the event from a ref who didn't see anything wrong at the time. Rooney Scholes, Evra have all dodged red cards, just to name a few; we have had several incorrect ones.

Somewhere on here, a good while back, I remarked how City had so far almost received mostly the same kind of reffing as Utd, but I also said that early season,the rags quite often get just the odd dodgy decision. I predicted, that when things get tight, the ref's arses go & the decisions start to kick in their favour especially in crucial games. I predicted it would happen exactly when they most needed it & it has. Refs are scared of them. The same things happen with rags opponents; they are concious of the fact that they are playing the great Maan Uuu & a simple tap in finish becomes like taking a pen in a world cup final. The same player 9 out of 10 times, scores that goal v us.

We saw that happen in our favour for a change with the pen at Swansea, when the bloke had time to think & he realised he was facing Joe Hart, his arse went. That is how many of these blokes are from kick off when they play the rags. They turn round and pass the ball backwards sometimes rather than look at the shirts. A simple pass goes sideways & out for a throw in. They miss, literal open nets. The rags had £50 mil Torres in front of an open goal at OT hand them the fucking points on a plate & you think that's normal ? It's taken him months to recover. And guess who he plays next ?

They are a bunch of stuffy cunts who do not deserve to be top of the league this season.

Sooner or later, the Premier League sides will start to play the team on the pitch rather than the myth, like the European sides have this season. It will come.

Well that comes from reputation. But you emphasize too much on it. I can't remember the Rags having that many outrageous decisions go their way and Torres has missed easy chances against everyone this season.


If you swapped our decisions in Dec Jan Feb for theirs & vice versa, the title would be over & the psychological damage done to the rags by having game after game after game of unfair shit would be total.

Meanwhile they become the only team to ever win four successive penalties.

Stuffy, stuffy, bastards.

If we won four successive penalties would you call us stuffy bastards? I can't remember the penalties but if they were all fair decisions then what's the problem?
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Re: The Invincibles

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:56 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:

We have been fucking better than them 70% of the time ! This is bullshit. We have scored more and defended better for most of the season.

And of course I'm not suggesting that players miss deliberately & you know it.

And no, we haven't had even a quarter of the kind of crucial decisions they have had. And don't fucking bring up Balotelli, that was a cowardly decision after the event from a ref who didn't see anything wrong at the time. Rooney Scholes, Evra have all dodged red cards, just to name a few; we have had several incorrect ones.

Somewhere on here, a good while back, I remarked how City had so far almost received mostly the same kind of reffing as Utd, but I also said that early season,the rags quite often get just the odd dodgy decision. I predicted, that when things get tight, the ref's arses go & the decisions start to kick in their favour especially in crucial games. I predicted it would happen exactly when they most needed it & it has. Refs are scared of them. The same things happen with rags opponents; they are concious of the fact that they are playing the great Maan Uuu & a simple tap in finish becomes like taking a pen in a world cup final. The same player 9 out of 10 times, scores that goal v us.

We saw that happen in our favour for a change with the pen at Swansea, when the bloke had time to think & he realised he was facing Joe Hart, his arse went. That is how many of these blokes are from kick off when they play the rags. They turn round and pass the ball backwards sometimes rather than look at the shirts. A simple pass goes sideways & out for a throw in. They miss, literal open nets. The rags had £50 mil Torres in front of an open goal at OT hand them the fucking points on a plate & you think that's normal ? It's taken him months to recover. And guess who he plays next ?

They are a bunch of stuffy cunts who do not deserve to be top of the league this season.

Sooner or later, the Premier League sides will start to play the team on the pitch rather than the myth, like the European sides have this season. It will come.

Well that comes from reputation. But you emphasize too much on it. I can't remember the Rags having that many outrageous decisions go their way and Torres has missed easy chances against everyone this season.


If you swapped our decisions in Dec Jan Feb for theirs & vice versa, the title would be over & the psychological damage done to the rags by having game after game after game of unfair shit would be total.

Meanwhile they become the only team to ever win four successive penalties.

Stuffy, stuffy, bastards.

If we won four successive penalties would you call us stuffy bastards? I can't remember the penalties but if they were all fair decisions then what's the problem?

B


They weren't & yes, anybody who gets 4 pens on the trot, even correctly, is very very very lucky. (or the refs are scared of them ) or both.
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Re: The Invincibles

Postby Original Dub » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:57 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
If you swapped our decisions in Dec Jan Feb for theirs & vice versa, the title would be over & the psychological damage done to the rags by having game after game after game of unfair shit would be total.

Meanwhile they become the only team to ever win four successive penalties.

Stuffy, stuffy, bastards.


Very very important point. Lets swap dodgy refereeing decisions from the start of the season to now with the rags.

As you said, the title would already be ours.
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Re: The Invincibles

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:07 pm

Original Dub wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
If you swapped our decisions in Dec Jan Feb for theirs & vice versa, the title would be over & the psychological damage done to the rags by having game after game after game of unfair shit would be total.

Meanwhile they become the only team to ever win four successive penalties.

Stuffy, stuffy, bastards.


Very very important point. Lets swap dodgy refereeing decisions from the start of the season to now with the rags.

As you said, the title would already be ours.


Why over analyse it? I prefer to focus on our poor performances for our dip in form rather than looking for excuses.
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Re: The Invincibles

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:10 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
If you swapped our decisions in Dec Jan Feb for theirs & vice versa, the title would be over & the psychological damage done to the rags by having game after game after game of unfair shit would be total.

Meanwhile they become the only team to ever win four successive penalties.

Stuffy, stuffy, bastards.


Very very important point. Lets swap dodgy refereeing decisions from the start of the season to now with the rags.

As you said, the title would already be ours.


Why over analyse it? I prefer to focus on our poor performances for our dip in form rather than looking for excuses.


Because this thread is about how stuffy the rags have been this season & how they would not normally be top of the Premier League with those performances.
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Re: The Invincibles

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:10 pm

Ted, If Chelsea commit 4 fouls in their box tonight I would fully expect 4 penalties, wouldn't class it as lucky either.
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Re: The Invincibles

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:31 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Ted, If Chelsea commit 4 fouls in their box tonight I would fully expect 4 penalties, wouldn't class it as lucky either.


I would, because you know & I know that it will never happen. If Chelsea are 3-0 up & we get two incorrect penalties given in our favour, I would class it as bordering on corruption, yet it actually happened. If that was a pub quiz question, it would get binned because nobody would ever guess wrongly when asked which fucking team it was against.

Here's one for you :

So what is 'deliberate' handball?

In Fifa's Laws of the Game 2005, Law 12 says a free-kick or penalty will be awarded if a player "handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)".

Page 67 of the document gives "additional information for referees, assistant referees and fourth officials".

It adds: "Referees are reminded that deliberately handling the ball is normally punished only by a direct free-kick or penalty kick if the offence occurred inside the penalty area.

"A caution or dismissal is not normally required."

However, the document fails to describe what constitutes deliberate handball, which places the responsibility firmly on the referee and referees' assistants.

Former Premier League referee David Elleray said the referee's interpretation depends on whether the hand or arm is in an "unnatural" position at the point of contact.

"Referees look at two specifics - did the hand or arm go towards the ball or in a manner which would block the ball, or is the hand in a position where it would not normally be?" Elleray told BBC Sport.

"The challenging decisions are if the defending player spreads their arms to make themselves bigger.

"If the ball hits the arm then the referee must decide whether this action was to deliberately block the ball or whether the player has raised their arms to protect themselves - especially if the ball is hit at speed."


So it's 0-0 in a top of the table clash v MaaanU, you are the ref, A Spurs player directs the ball toward Utd's goal only for it to strike a team mate preventing it from going into the net, the team mate then backheels the ball over the line.

Using the rules above do you

A: Give a goal as nobody in their right mind would actually try to stop a ball going into the opponent's net when stood a yard off the goal line.
B: Give a goal as the player's hand was not in an unnatural position, & even if it was; nobody in their right mind would actually try to stop a ball going into the opponent's net when stood a yard off the goal line.

C: Disallow the goal as it could cost Manchester Utd the title, as they're getting fucking battered here & I'll get the blame.


The answer is C: Disallow the goal as it could cost Manchester Utd the title, as they're getting fucking battered here & I'll get the blame.



I t is a top of the table clash between Liverpool & Man City. Reina comes rushing out of his penalty area with both arms stuck out at right angles to his body & Sergio Aguero running past him, as the ball hits his outsretched arm.

Using the rules above, do you

A: Send him off.

B: Let him off as it's only Man City & this is Anfield so I don't want to upset Kenny Dalglish.

The Answer is B: Let him off as it's only Man City & this is Anfield so I don't want to upset Kenny Dalglish.

It is the semi final of the League Cup, the ball hits Micah Richards on his arm, tucked into his body, tutned away from the ball..

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Re: The Invincibles

Postby Original Dub » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:45 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Why over analyse it? I prefer to focus on our poor performances for our dip in form rather than looking for excuses.


Why look into an important reason we haven't already won the league.

Let's focus on our poor performances?

Those two points sound the opposite of what rag fans are saying to me right now.

And there's a damn good reason for it.
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Re: The Invincibles

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:52 pm

Original Dub wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Why over analyse it? I prefer to focus on our poor performances for our dip in form rather than looking for excuses.


Why look into an important reason we haven't already won the league.

Let's focus on our poor performances?

Those two points sound the opposite of what rag fans are saying to me right now.

And there's a damn good reason for it.

If we'd have beaten Swansea, Sunderland and West Brom away, we'd be 7 points ahead. It's games like that which will cost us. There is nothing we can do about referees, there is something we can do about our own performances.
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Re: The Invincibles

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:58 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Why over analyse it? I prefer to focus on our poor performances for our dip in form rather than looking for excuses.


Why look into an important reason we haven't already won the league.

Let's focus on our poor performances?

Those two points sound the opposite of what rag fans are saying to me right now.

And there's a damn good reason for it.

If we'd have beaten Swansea, Sunderland and West Brom away, we'd be 7 points ahead. It's games like that which will cost us. There is nothing we can do about referees, there is something we can do about our own performances.


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Re: The Invincibles

Postby Rag_hater » Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:28 pm

If your gonna whinge because you think they have been stuffy then I think our stuffiness by getting the Sheikh makes everything else pretty minor.
All the other stuff about ref's getting things wrong is a matter of opinion.
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Re: The Invincibles

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:51 pm

Rag_hater wrote:If your gonna whinge because you think they have been stuffy then I think our stuffiness by getting the Sheikh makes everything else pretty minor.
All the other stuff about ref's getting things wrong is a matter of opinion.
Anybody with an axe to grind can find fault in most things.

Agree completely, we were bloody lucky in the fact the Sheikh even chose us. If not we'd still be a crappy lower mid table side.
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Re: The Invincibles

Postby Original Dub » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:00 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:If we'd have beaten Swansea, Sunderland and West Brom away, we'd be 7 points ahead. It's games like that which will cost us. There is nothing we can do about referees, there is something we can do about our own performances.


Sunderland. Offside goal given to them.

West brom. Perfectly good goal ruled offside for us.

Our performance may have been poor, but that should have been four points to us.

There is nothing we can do about refs but that doesn't mean you ignore it in a thread questioning why the race is still so tight
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Re: The Invincibles

Postby Rag_hater » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:10 pm

Original Dub wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:If we'd have beaten Swansea, Sunderland and West Brom away, we'd be 7 points ahead. It's games like that which will cost us. There is nothing we can do about referees, there is something we can do about our own performances.


Sunderland. Offside goal given to them.

West brom. Perfectly good goal ruled offside for us.

Our performance may have been poor, but that should have been four points to us.

There is nothing we can do about refs but that doesn't mean you ignore it in a thread questioning why the race is still so tight


Van pussie getting a goal ruled out for offside a bit dubious.Mario getting pen when he should not really not have been on the pitch.Yaya slap at Mata(SHhhh don't tell anyone) Joleon's elbow.Nigel did a few things against wigwam that could have seen him marching with a stricter ref.
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Re: The Invincibles

Postby john68 » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:24 pm

Bridges RF,
Throughout a season, every season since football began, all teams go through good and bad patches. It is the nature of football and has always been the case. It is not unreasonable that this season City have suffered from dips in form. It is wholly unreasonable to suggest we would play to our potential every game.
You always seem to focus on the negative and though in detail you are correct, in reality you are way off beam and unreasonable.

The rags have played badly for huge chunks of the season but their scraping wins and the assistance they have had from officials (as Ted suggests) has made a difference to the results they have gained and ultimately their points total.

If you wish to argue your point equitably, you must also focus on the negative aspects of the rag's season. What you are doing, is focussing on City's poor form and ignoring the rags poor form.

There is a potential 1pt differential ATM between us and them. A significantly small enough total to make reffing decisions more than crucial.
I KNOW THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU THINK I WROTE, BUT I AM NOT SURE YOU REALISE THAT WHAT YOU READ IS NOT WHAT I MEANT
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