Beefymcfc wrote:Some decent answers, thanks. I actually listened to it from the OS, whether that's GMR or not, I don't know, but one thing is for sure is that this thread wasn't set up to berate him in any way, but to find out how he got on. The commentator was very impartial but mentioned Mario's temperament on a few occasions when he either went down or had a whinge at the ref. This is nothing new and we've all seen it, but does it subtract from his overall value on the pitch, ie. was it worth playing him in this game?
ant london wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:Some decent answers, thanks. I actually listened to it from the OS, whether that's GMR or not, I don't know, but one thing is for sure is that this thread wasn't set up to berate him in any way, but to find out how he got on. The commentator was very impartial but mentioned Mario's temperament on a few occasions when he either went down or had a whinge at the ref. This is nothing new and we've all seen it, but does it subtract from his overall value on the pitch, ie. was it worth playing him in this game?
thing is Beefy, a lot of the commentators have clearly taken the view....oh he doesn't like it up him. First half yesterday someone when straight through the back of him, could easily have been a straight red and the commentator (pre replay) came out with "well we know Balotelli doesn't like a challenge", before then actually acknowledging that "this type of tackle is now outlawed, he (the tackler) was lucky to get away with that"
Just part of the very anti-City slant of much of the commentary I've seen this season. I'm not inclined to see it as a City bashing, more underdog supporting. We've benefited from this kind of punditry when we were shit so I guess I can't really grumble but some of it is so myopic it is pretty frustrating
Beefymcfc wrote:ant london wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:Some decent answers, thanks. I actually listened to it from the OS, whether that's GMR or not, I don't know, but one thing is for sure is that this thread wasn't set up to berate him in any way, but to find out how he got on. The commentator was very impartial but mentioned Mario's temperament on a few occasions when he either went down or had a whinge at the ref. This is nothing new and we've all seen it, but does it subtract from his overall value on the pitch, ie. was it worth playing him in this game?
thing is Beefy, a lot of the commentators have clearly taken the view....oh he doesn't like it up him. First half yesterday someone when straight through the back of him, could easily have been a straight red and the commentator (pre replay) came out with "well we know Balotelli doesn't like a challenge", before then actually acknowledging that "this type of tackle is now outlawed, he (the tackler) was lucky to get away with that"
Just part of the very anti-City slant of much of the commentary I've seen this season. I'm not inclined to see it as a City bashing, more underdog supporting. We've benefited from this kind of punditry when we were shit so I guess I can't really grumble but some of it is so myopic it is pretty frustrating
Cheers mate, I knew he had a few heavy challenges but was unaware of that. It doesn't surprise me either that the ref gave nothing, due to it being Walton and because the commentator actually said that the ref was giving us fuck all (my speak, not his). It does sound though, that as many have stated, that this wasn't the game for him.
I wonder what his stats were for the game as I don't recall him being mentioned apart from the odd time, and from the match thread, here didn't seem to be too much input?
the_georgian_genius wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:ant london wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:Some decent answers, thanks. I actually listened to it from the OS, whether that's GMR or not, I don't know, but one thing is for sure is that this thread wasn't set up to berate him in any way, but to find out how he got on. The commentator was very impartial but mentioned Mario's temperament on a few occasions when he either went down or had a whinge at the ref. This is nothing new and we've all seen it, but does it subtract from his overall value on the pitch, ie. was it worth playing him in this game?
thing is Beefy, a lot of the commentators have clearly taken the view....oh he doesn't like it up him. First half yesterday someone when straight through the back of him, could easily have been a straight red and the commentator (pre replay) came out with "well we know Balotelli doesn't like a challenge", before then actually acknowledging that "this type of tackle is now outlawed, he (the tackler) was lucky to get away with that"
Just part of the very anti-City slant of much of the commentary I've seen this season. I'm not inclined to see it as a City bashing, more underdog supporting. We've benefited from this kind of punditry when we were shit so I guess I can't really grumble but some of it is so myopic it is pretty frustrating
Cheers mate, I knew he had a few heavy challenges but was unaware of that. It doesn't surprise me either that the ref gave nothing, due to it being Walton and because the commentator actually said that the ref was giving us fuck all (my speak, not his). It does sound though, that as many have stated, that this wasn't the game for him.
I wonder what his stats were for the game as I don't recall him being mentioned apart from the odd time, and from the match thread, here didn't seem to be too much input?
20/25 passes (official site) 21/27 (guardian)
0/3 tackes (official site) 2/7 (guardian)
3 shots off target. (both)
depends who you want to beleive, how can you have two completely separate stats for the same game??
Douglas Higginbottom wrote:I agree that tackle by Hurh which flattened him was close to a red card but not even a foul for the ref. A quiet game but just one alomg the way to him settling down in the team.
Very very surprised Mancini didn't take him off especially after we scored.
Beefymcfc wrote:Some decent answers, thanks. I actually listened to it from the OS, whether that's GMR or not, I don't know, but one thing is for sure is that this thread wasn't set up to berate him in any way, but to find out how he got on. The commentator was very impartial but mentioned Mario's temperament on a few occasions when he either went down or had a whinge at the ref. This is nothing new and we've all seen it, but does it subtract from his overall value on the pitch, ie. was it worth playing him in this game?
BobKowalski wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:Some decent answers, thanks. I actually listened to it from the OS, whether that's GMR or not, I don't know, but one thing is for sure is that this thread wasn't set up to berate him in any way, but to find out how he got on. The commentator was very impartial but mentioned Mario's temperament on a few occasions when he either went down or had a whinge at the ref. This is nothing new and we've all seen it, but does it subtract from his overall value on the pitch, ie. was it worth playing him in this game?
Personally I think the way it works with Mario is just to throw him and learn the hard way and he either learns or he doesn't. With Silva, Mancini clearly had no worries about temperament it was just a case of blending him in gradually so that he got his eye in and it has worked a treat. With Mario its a different approach with no real worries about him handling it physically but mentally and what better than Stoke away freezing his nuts off and told to get on with it. Its going to be hit and miss for a while but treating him with kid gloves like Silva would be a waste of time. What Mancini will do is support the lad as he did with the red card against WBA. A second yellow yes with a one match ban would have been right so Mario gets in the neck for that but the straight red/3 match ban was bollocks and Mario rightly got the clubs backing.
zuricity wrote:BobKowalski wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:Some decent answers, thanks. I actually listened to it from the OS, whether that's GMR or not, I don't know, but one thing is for sure is that this thread wasn't set up to berate him in any way, but to find out how he got on. The commentator was very impartial but mentioned Mario's temperament on a few occasions when he either went down or had a whinge at the ref. This is nothing new and we've all seen it, but does it subtract from his overall value on the pitch, ie. was it worth playing him in this game?
Personally I think the way it works with Mario is just to throw him and learn the hard way and he either learns or he doesn't. With Silva, Mancini clearly had no worries about temperament it was just a case of blending him in gradually so that he got his eye in and it has worked a treat. With Mario its a different approach with no real worries about him handling it physically but mentally and what better than Stoke away freezing his nuts off and told to get on with it. Its going to be hit and miss for a while but treating him with kid gloves like Silva would be a waste of time. What Mancini will do is support the lad as he did with the red card against WBA. A second yellow yes with a one match ban would have been right so Mario gets in the neck for that but the straight red/3 match ban was bollocks and Mario rightly got the clubs backing.
Hey Bob, I agree with your sentiments but would like to add that i'm getting a bit sick of people moaning about Mario.
Now he's a big lad and doesn't need protection from anyone. However, just because he's big and comes with a price tag it doesn't mean that refs should ignore the fact that he is getting taken out with bad fouls. In the first half Huth took him from behind and that was a far worse tackle than Boyatas Red against ARSEnal.
However I think , once he settles in he will be a revelation, the beautiful chip from David Silva in the first ten minutes was just a litle to high for him to execute the shot better.
As for the god awful referee, perhaps the less said the better. Completely destroyed City's movement and rythm with strange decisions.
Original Dub wrote:The thing about some players coming from different leagues is that they are used to making the most out of tackles that should earn them a free kick in that league. That in itself is an art and part of players performances, particularly strikers, whether we like it or not.
For some, you can't just switch it off. Balo will realise what tackles get you free kicks as time goes on and he'll perfect it I'd imagine. The only problem I have is if he continues to sulk when he gets it wrong.
That is just plain immature and hopefully he loses that side of him.
He reminds of Drogba quite a lot and I know he was a late developer as far as top leagues go, but it wouldn't suprise me one bit if Drogba carried on exactly like him when he was 20.
the_georgian_genius wrote:Original Dub wrote:The thing about some players coming from different leagues is that they are used to making the most out of tackles that should earn them a free kick in that league. That in itself is an art and part of players performances, particularly strikers, whether we like it or not.
For some, you can't just switch it off. Balo will realise what tackles get you free kicks as time goes on and he'll perfect it I'd imagine. The only problem I have is if he continues to sulk when he gets it wrong.
That is just plain immature and hopefully he loses that side of him.
He reminds of Drogba quite a lot and I know he was a late developer as far as top leagues go, but it wouldn't suprise me one bit if Drogba carried on exactly like him when he was 20.
You only have to look at Silva, first few games especially Spurs away, he was going down too easily expecting a free kick he would of got in Spain, he hardly does it anymore as he knows it's different here.
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