brite blu sky wrote:i cant take nqdp's comments seriously, nothing personal but seems to me to be looking to make sweeping statements from the perspective of fixed roles for players. I would agree with Ted's ultimate comment - it is just a label for people to try and talk about the dynamics in football. Some teams do seem to operate with the same pattern with the play started or going through the same players all the time, but then a lot of teams dont. In relation to City i really dont think any of us know what Mancini is going to try and engineer and if anything it appears he is going for flexibility and fluid formations that change. IF that was the case, then i would suggest that different players would all take on the role of starting moves, changing the pace of the game and taking responsibility for distribution. Again IF that is the case we may see more of combinations appearing throughout the team, rather than us looking to put everything through a classic 'playmaker'. I think the advantage of shifting players around is quite obvious, it is more difficult for the oppo to isolate and nullify any one key player. The disadvantage as such is that it requires players to be well integrated with each other and consistently on form. City had 60+% of possession in the second half at WHL but for all that couldn't effectively move the ball into the final 3rd and find a player. That to me just suggests that we are not practised enough or have enough players on form. Also that is not giving Spurs any credit for doing a good job in the final 3rd.
As for the idea of Yaya not being able to take the ball forward.. complete tosh.
Ted Hughes wrote:brite blu sky wrote:i cant take nqdp's comments seriously, nothing personal but seems to me to be looking to make sweeping statements from the perspective of fixed roles for players. I would agree with Ted's ultimate comment - it is just a label for people to try and talk about the dynamics in football. Some teams do seem to operate with the same pattern with the play started or going through the same players all the time, but then a lot of teams dont. In relation to City i really dont think any of us know what Mancini is going to try and engineer and if anything it appears he is going for flexibility and fluid formations that change. IF that was the case, then i would suggest that different players would all take on the role of starting moves, changing the pace of the game and taking responsibility for distribution. Again IF that is the case we may see more of combinations appearing throughout the team, rather than us looking to put everything through a classic 'playmaker'. I think the advantage of shifting players around is quite obvious, it is more difficult for the oppo to isolate and nullify any one key player. The disadvantage as such is that it requires players to be well integrated with each other and consistently on form. City had 60+% of possession in the second half at WHL but for all that couldn't effectively move the ball into the final 3rd and find a player. That to me just suggests that we are not practised enough or have enough players on form. Also that is not giving Spurs any credit for doing a good job in the final 3rd.
As for the idea of Yaya not being able to take the ball forward.. complete tosh.
Imo we created little at Spurs because Tevez & Silva aren't match fit, we had no central striker, nobody in the box & SWP was headless shite. Three fully fit, in form attacking players & a bit more attacking intent would fix it.
Ted Hughes wrote:My definition of a modern playmaker: someone so lacking in other areas of his game that he gets noticed for just the one because people can't think of a word to describe him.
The line about Brazil having 2 deep lying playmakers & 2 attacking playmakers shows what a load of bollocks the whole thing is. Thery had 4 great footballers in the midfield who weren't brilliant at defending, end of story.
Wonder if Dave Beasent was a playmaker? Half Wimbledon's goals came from his lumps upfront. Rory Delap is definitely Stoke's.
The best sides don't need a playmaker as they ALL do it, some players do it a bit better than others for sure but they all do it, even the defenders. That's what we need to aim for & are doing imo.
King Kev wrote:I will admit that I haven't read the OP (it would take me all week!) so apologies if this has been covered in there.Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Whatever Milner is, he is NOT playmaker....
Milner came 4th in the league for assists last season, surely somebody who creates so many goal-scoring chances for others must be considered a playmaker!?
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