ant london wrote: None of this truly defines what constitutes a playmaker: given the range of what people consider playmakers, perhaps the truth is that playmaker is not a position at all but a state of mind.
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:ant london wrote: None of this truly defines what constitutes a playmaker: given the range of what people consider playmakers, perhaps the truth is that playmaker is not a position at all but a state of mind.
That's exactly it. Playmaker is someone makes players around him tick. First and foremost he can spread the ball to strikers and wingers. Someone with vision to see the whole pitch and someone who can execute what he thinks.
A player we currently lack and desperately need.
I thought that's what we got Silva and Milner for?Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:ant london wrote: None of this truly defines what constitutes a playmaker: given the range of what people consider playmakers, perhaps the truth is that playmaker is not a position at all but a state of mind.
That's exactly it. Playmaker is someone makes players around him tick. First and foremost he can spread the ball to strikers and wingers. Someone with vision to see the whole pitch and someone who can execute what he thinks.
A player we currently lack and desperately need.
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:ant london wrote: None of this truly defines what constitutes a playmaker: given the range of what people consider playmakers, perhaps the truth is that playmaker is not a position at all but a state of mind.
That's exactly it. Playmaker is someone makes players around him tick. First and foremost he can spread the ball to strikers and wingers. Someone with vision to see the whole pitch and someone who can execute what he thinks.
A player we currently lack and desperately need.
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Whatever Milner is, he is NOT playmaker. Too straightforward to ever run the game as true playmaker and doesn't really have any vision. His style is straightforward running and he has excellent shot (one of the better in the league I must admit).
Toure isn't playmaker either. As a deeplying player, I don't feel he is someone who can take ball forward, powerfull runner, again has great shot but I have never noticed him having any great vision. He CAN every now and then open defences but I don't think he is someone who can regularily do it.
Premium playmakers in Premier League are Fabregas, Lampard and Gerrard. Ireland two seasons back belonged to that group. That is the kind of player we lack imo.
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Whatever Milner is, he is NOT playmaker. Too straightforward to ever run the game as true playmaker and doesn't really have any vision. His style is straightforward running and he has excellent shot (one of the better in the league I must admit).
Toure isn't playmaker either. As a deeplying player, I don't feel he is someone who can take ball forward, powerfull runner, again has great shot but I have never noticed him having any great vision. He CAN every now and then open defences but I don't think he is someone who can regularily do it.
Premium playmakers in Premier League are Fabregas, Lampard and Gerrard. Ireland two seasons back belonged to that group. That is the kind of player we lack imo.
MaseCTID wrote:I'd say Robson is also a playmaker. He was played on the left wing in his first season but his best position is definitely behind the front two.
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Whatever Milner is, he is NOT playmaker. Too straightforward to ever run the game as true playmaker and doesn't really have any vision. His style is straightforward running and he has excellent shot (one of the better in the league I must admit).
Toure isn't playmaker either. As a deeplying player, I don't feel he is someone who can take ball forward, powerfull runner, again has great shot but I have never noticed him having any great vision. He CAN every now and then open defences but I don't think he is someone who can regularily do it.
Premium playmakers in Premier League are Fabregas, Lampard and Gerrard. Ireland two seasons back belonged to that group. That is the kind of player we lack imo.
King Kev wrote:MaseCTID wrote:I'd say Robson is also a playmaker. He was played on the left wing in his first season but his best position is definitely behind the front two.
Good shout! I keep forgetting about him for some reason.
MaseCTID wrote:I'd say Robson is also a playmaker. He was played on the left wing in his first season but his best position is definitely behind the front two.
Kladze wrote:MaseCTID wrote:I'd say Robson is also a playmaker. He was played on the left wing in his first season but his best position is definitely behind the front two.
Funny thing that. Robinho himself claims to prefer playing on the left; he plays for Brasil on the left; played for Madrid on the left; played for Santos on the left; and played for City on the left. Yet there are those who claim his best position is centrally, behind a front two - a role he's been tried in a couple of times and failed miserably.
mr_nool wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Whatever Milner is, he is NOT playmaker. Too straightforward to ever run the game as true playmaker and doesn't really have any vision. His style is straightforward running and he has excellent shot (one of the better in the league I must admit).
Toure isn't playmaker either. As a deeplying player, I don't feel he is someone who can take ball forward, powerfull runner, again has great shot but I have never noticed him having any great vision. He CAN every now and then open defences but I don't think he is someone who can regularily do it.
Premium playmakers in Premier League are Fabregas, Lampard and Gerrard. Ireland two seasons back belonged to that group. That is the kind of player we lack imo.
Everything we created against Spurs came from Yaya's feet. He put both SWP and Richards clean through and looked to have more vision than the rest of the team combined.
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:mr_nool wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Whatever Milner is, he is NOT playmaker. Too straightforward to ever run the game as true playmaker and doesn't really have any vision. His style is straightforward running and he has excellent shot (one of the better in the league I must admit).
Toure isn't playmaker either. As a deeplying player, I don't feel he is someone who can take ball forward, powerfull runner, again has great shot but I have never noticed him having any great vision. He CAN every now and then open defences but I don't think he is someone who can regularily do it.
Premium playmakers in Premier League are Fabregas, Lampard and Gerrard. Ireland two seasons back belonged to that group. That is the kind of player we lack imo.
Everything we created against Spurs came from Yaya's feet. He put both SWP and Richards clean through and looked to have more vision than the rest of the team combined.
Yes. But we were poor going forward. And that's why we lack a playmaker.
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:mr_nool wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Whatever Milner is, he is NOT playmaker. Too straightforward to ever run the game as true playmaker and doesn't really have any vision. His style is straightforward running and he has excellent shot (one of the better in the league I must admit).
Toure isn't playmaker either. As a deeplying player, I don't feel he is someone who can take ball forward, powerfull runner, again has great shot but I have never noticed him having any great vision. He CAN every now and then open defences but I don't think he is someone who can regularily do it.
Premium playmakers in Premier League are Fabregas, Lampard and Gerrard. Ireland two seasons back belonged to that group. That is the kind of player we lack imo.
Everything we created against Spurs came from Yaya's feet. He put both SWP and Richards clean through and looked to have more vision than the rest of the team combined.
Yes. But we were poor going forward. And that's why we lack a playmaker.
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