Match fixing in England - a myth?

[PeterParker]

So, does it exist?
If yes, to fit an agenda (see favouritism Scouse/rags got) or betting?

Match fixing has happened in Italy, Germany, France… so it’s fair to at least ask if English football is truly immune. With the rise of betting companies and the money flowing through every part of the game, the temptation and the opportunities are bigger than ever. I’m not saying it’s widespread, but it’s hard not to wonder if the Premier League’s clean image tells the whole story.

So, does it exist? It is known and not flashed out, so the Premier League can keep its glamour and be a milking cow when it comes to TV rights and sponsorships?

[Mase]

Halsey said years ago he was told how to referee. He got told to be quiet and it was swept under the rug

[Nickyboy]

I don't think it will be an issue with things such as fixing match outcomes as it would be complex to fix, but more the little things such as bookings, fouls, shots etc.

The fact you can bet on pretty much everything nowadays isn't a good thing.

Paqueta got off but if you look at the video it definitely looked like he was getting booked on purpose!

Players have even admitted getting booked to miss specific matches, so not just for betting purposes. sure thats why they changed the rules about major tournaments and resetting bookings after the group stages etc.

[PeterParker]

I don't think it will be an issue with things such as fixing match outcomes as it would be complex to fix, but more the little things such as bookings, fouls, shots etc.

The fact you can bet on pretty much everything nowadays isn't a good thing.

Paqueta got off but if you look at the video it definitely looked like he was getting booked on purpose!

Players have even admitted getting booked to miss specific matches, so not just for betting purposes. sure thats why they changed the rules about major tournaments and resetting bookings after the group stages etc.

Le Tissier admited a few years back he won betting on who had the first throw in. And it was him at the center sending the ball out.

[nottsblue]

Halsey said years ago he was told how to referee. He got told to be quiet and it was swept under the rug

Deffo there is wrongdoing with referees and VARs. There are simply too many incredibly poor decisions most games for it not to be the case.

And this IMO will be the beginning of the end of a lot of love for top flight football

[Im_Spartacus]

We'd be naive to think it's not.

While successful match fixing at the top level is less likely, spot fixing is clearly rife, and I don't think there's any doubt from what we've heard from people like Mark Halsey, that there are attempts to corrupt.

[PeterParker]

We'd be naive to think it's not.

While successful match fixing at the top level is less likely, spot fixing is clearly rife, and I don't think there's any doubt from what we've heard from people like Mark Halsey, that there are attempts to corrupt.

Yeah, but who is talking with the refs?
I am currently watching Fulham vs Arse and the penalty Anty gave was a disgrace, then he needed all the possible replays to see what we all saw from cosmos: no penalty.
But he stayed there.

Then was that cunt today, obvious fault on Nico, Everton go on a break, have an attempt and they shout for penalty after the ball touched Bern I think. Reminded me of the Monaco game.

[Im_Spartacus]

We'd be naive to think it's not.

While successful match fixing at the top level is less likely, spot fixing is clearly rife, and I don't think there's any doubt from what we've heard from people like Mark Halsey, that there are attempts to corrupt.

Yeah, but who is talking with the refs?
I am currently watching Fulham vs Arse and the penalty Anty gave was a disgrace, then he needed all the possible replays to see what we all saw from cosmos: no penalty.
But he stayed there.

Then was that cunt today, obvious fault on Nico, Everton go on a break, have an attempt and they shout for penalty after the ball touched Bern I think. Reminded me of the Monaco game.

I found the Arsenal penalty incident extremely interesting, because the referee's original decision was correct. While the Fulham player did get the ball in the tackle, there's no question the contact with the Arsenal player's upper leg came first. There is literally no ambiguity in the rules on what happened.

The referee's then come under pressure to reverse a correct decision, so the question would be for me, why was he pressured into changing his mind by being called to the monitor when VAR could clearly see this.

But look, wrong decisions happen, even with VAR - that alone isn't evidence of corruption, it's evidence of the difficulty of getting it right every time. It's a general ill of society these days that when something happens we don't like or don't understand, we jump immediately to the worst possible conclusion because we can understand the logic of corruption more than human fallibility.

[PeterParker]

We'd be naive to think it's not.

While successful match fixing at the top level is less likely, spot fixing is clearly rife, and I don't think there's any doubt from what we've heard from people like Mark Halsey, that there are attempts to corrupt.

Yeah, but who is talking with the refs?
I am currently watching Fulham vs Arse and the penalty Anty gave was a disgrace, then he needed all the possible replays to see what we all saw from cosmos: no penalty.
But he stayed there.

Then was that cunt today, obvious fault on Nico, Everton go on a break, have an attempt and they shout for penalty after the ball touched Bern I think. Reminded me of the Monaco game.

I found the Arsenal penalty incident extremely interesting, because the referee's original decision was correct. While the Fulham player did get the ball in the tackle, there's no question the contact with the Arsenal player's upper leg came first. There is literally no ambiguity in the rules on what happened.

The referee's then come under pressure to reverse a correct decision, so the question would be for me, why was he pressured into changing his mind by being called to the monitor when VAR could clearly see this.

But look, wrong decisions happen, even with VAR - that alone isn't evidence of corruption, it's evidence of the difficulty of getting it right every time. It's a general ill of society these days that when something happens we don't like or don't understand, we jump immediately to the worst possible conclusion because we can understand the logic of corruption more than human fallibility.

I would be fuming if that was given against us.

[patrickblue]

I became a believer years ago (think it was 2009-10) when rags won away at Chelsea despite being far the worst team and helped by some well dodgy reffing.

We played at Stamford Bridge soon after and the exact opposite happened. I remember big Dave being denied a stonewall penalty, plus there were lots of other things going on.

Mind you, I don't believe it was anything to do with betting, just helping out rags.

[Harry Dowd scored]

I became a believer years ago (think it was 2009-10) when rags won away at Chelsea despite being far the worst team and helped by some well dodgy reffing.

We played at Stamford Bridge soon after and the exact opposite happened. I remember big Dave being denied a stonewall penalty, plus there were lots of other things going on.

Mind you, I don't believe it was anything to do with betting, just helping out rags.

Did you ever see the rags v Arsenal game reffed by Riley, rags got everything & Rooney got a penalty that was dodgy definitely fixed

[nottsblue]

I became a believer years ago (think it was 2009-10) when rags won away at Chelsea despite being far the worst team and helped by some well dodgy reffing.

We played at Stamford Bridge soon after and the exact opposite happened. I remember big Dave being denied a stonewall penalty, plus there were lots of other things going on.

Mind you, I don't believe it was anything to do with betting, just helping out rags.

Did you ever see the rags v Arsenal game reffed by Riley, rags got everything & Rooney got a penalty that was dodgy definitely fixed

The game that ended the 49 match unbeaten streak if memory serves. And the one PB was referring to i think we were unbeaten well into December(?) and had taken an early lead. So in the interests of promoting a “title challenge” the referee helped out the challengers. Definitely not impartial. Which as far as officiating any sport goes, it’s a fundamental requirement

[PeterParker]

I became a believer years ago (think it was 2009-10) when rags won away at Chelsea despite being far the worst team and helped by some well dodgy reffing.

We played at Stamford Bridge soon after and the exact opposite happened. I remember big Dave being denied a stonewall penalty, plus there were lots of other things going on.

Mind you, I don't believe it was anything to do with betting, just helping out rags.

Did you ever see the rags v Arsenal game reffed by Riley, rags got everything & Rooney got a penalty that was dodgy definitely fixed

The game that ended the 49 match unbeaten streak if memory serves. And the one PB was referring to i think we were unbeaten well into December(?) and had taken an early lead. So in the interests of promoting a “title challenge” the referee helped out the challengers. Definitely not impartial. Which as far as officiating any sport goes, it’s a fundamental requirement

That was the game Wilkins said: A win for the league.
Never heard that when the rags were dominating the league.

[nottsblue]

I became a believer years ago (think it was 2009-10) when rags won away at Chelsea despite being far the worst team and helped by some well dodgy reffing.

We played at Stamford Bridge soon after and the exact opposite happened. I remember big Dave being denied a stonewall penalty, plus there were lots of other things going on.

Mind you, I don't believe it was anything to do with betting, just helping out rags.

Did you ever see the rags v Arsenal game reffed by Riley, rags got everything & Rooney got a penalty that was dodgy definitely fixed

The game that ended the 49 match unbeaten streak if memory serves. And the one PB was referring to i think we were unbeaten well into December(?) and had taken an early lead. So in the interests of promoting a “title challenge” the referee helped out the challengers. Definitely not impartial. Which as far as officiating any sport goes, it’s a fundamental requirement

That was the game Wilkins said: A win for the league.
Never heard that when the rags were dominating the league.

Never heard a lot of things when the rags were dominating

They never ruined the league by winning, they were raising the bar to improve the league which was a good thing

They never bought success. Despite breaking transfer records a lot

[PeterParker]

I became a believer years ago (think it was 2009-10) when rags won away at Chelsea despite being far the worst team and helped by some well dodgy reffing.

We played at Stamford Bridge soon after and the exact opposite happened. I remember big Dave being denied a stonewall penalty, plus there were lots of other things going on.

Mind you, I don't believe it was anything to do with betting, just helping out rags.

Did you ever see the rags v Arsenal game reffed by Riley, rags got everything & Rooney got a penalty that was dodgy definitely fixed

The game that ended the 49 match unbeaten streak if memory serves. And the one PB was referring to i think we were unbeaten well into December(?) and had taken an early lead. So in the interests of promoting a “title challenge” the referee helped out the challengers. Definitely not impartial. Which as far as officiating any sport goes, it’s a fundamental requirement

That was the game Wilkins said: A win for the league.
Never heard that when the rags were dominating the league.

Never heard a lot of things when the rags were dominating

They never ruined the league by winning, they were raising the bar to improve the league which was a good thing

They never bought success. Despite breaking transfer records a lot

And getting their opponents best players, like Bayern did/do.

[patrickblue]

Back in the day, rags breaking the transfer record was seen as some sort of national pride thing.

[nottsblue]

Back in the day, rags breaking the transfer record was seen as some sort of national pride thing.

And it is once again now the dippers are doing it. Funny that we ruined football............

[BlueinBosnia]

Halsey said years ago he was told how to referee. He got told to be quiet and it was swept under the rug

Deffo there is wrongdoing with referees and VARs. There are simply too many incredibly poor decisions most games for it not to be the case.

And this IMO will be the beginning of the end of a lot of love for top flight football

The problem with VAR is that the technology that's employed is simply not fit for the purpose it's used for. When it was fist rolled out, a person's leg could move something like 35cm between frames. If you've got two players moving in opposite directions, that's a total of 70cm left open to interpretation. Although the frame rate has improved, I still don't think it's good enough for decisions other than those that are 'clear and obvious', a phrase for which my interpretation is obviously very, very different to the one employed by the PL.

What should have happened would have been a trial period of 3-4 seasons, where it isn't actually used in matches, but in post-match analysis, so the public could get used to the technology and see its benefits and shortcomings. But the investors in the technology wouldn't have wanted that, so authorities bowed to pressure (or were too blind to the obvious weaknesses of the system).

[carl_feedthegoat]

Halsey said years ago he was told how to referee. He got told to be quiet and it was swept under the rug

Deffo there is wrongdoing with referees and VARs. There are simply too many incredibly poor decisions most games for it not to be the case.

And this IMO will be the beginning of the end of a lot of love for top flight football

The problem with VAR is that the technology that's employed is simply not fit for the purpose it's used for. When it was fist rolled out, a person's leg could move something like 35cm between frames. If you've got two players moving in opposite directions, that's a total of 70cm left open to interpretation. Although the frame rate has improved, I still don't think it's good enough for decisions other than those that are 'clear and obvious', a phrase for which my interpretation is obviously very, very different to the one employed by the PL.

What should have happened would have been a trial period of 3-4 seasons, where it isn't actually used in matches, but in post-match analysis, so the public could get used to the technology and see its benefits and shortcomings. But the investors in the technology wouldn't have wanted that, so authorities bowed to pressure (or were too blind to the obvious weaknesses of the system).

Operators select which camera angles or frames to review which means they can fucking cheat if they so wish to - that's a clear and straight out FACT.

Sure it will be reviewed afterwords but it will be swept under the carpet with the operator being given a fuckign warning for ' failure ' to award the correct decision.

VAR stinks and has always been open for CHEATING...which has happened numerous times.

[Nickyboy]

They're trialing giving managers in youth football challenges like in tennis and a few other sports. That's how it should have been done from the start. If a player felt the ref had made a mistake they can ask for it to be reviewed. Just make goal line and offside automatic and challenges for other decisions. How many times have we seen a goal disallowed when defenders weren't even complaining about an issue just for some odd hairline handball or something.

It should have been good for the game but they've managed to fuck it up monumentally