IS Bobby Mancini THE MAN?

[Swales4ever]

I still "don't know" to be honest
He's inherited a team of very talented players but he says in interviews that he still hasn't got his message across in terms of how he wants them to play so I am prepared to give him a chance - blowing a golden opportunity to be in the top 4 won't stand him in good stead though

if his team's English is the same as his I'm not surprised. He looks more and more like ramos every time I see him

In what way does he remind you of Ramos? Do you mean that you think he is sufferring from massive interference from an incompetent director of football or do you mean that you think he will win a trophy?

Was that at Spurs or Real?

Did the director tell him Lennon was shit? Do you think they should have kept him?

Mancini is making me lose interest in city. I never ever thought I'd say that and I'm nowhere near giving up my support, but I'm honestly beginning to lose interest.

When Pearce had us playing the exact same football, I still had total support because we had such a weak squad and it was all in the name of survival in the premier league.

Completely underwhelmed and disillusioned. I shouldn't be, but I am.

After an quite long side look, I can reckon this is the only forum somehow interested in devising the matter at least trying to match passionate feelings with cool minds.
I'd like to assess my opinion starting from a quote of Original Dub, who fairly represent the point of view opposite to mine: definitely customers have rights (paying fees twice with money and passion )and the latest displays had been
rending. Right enough to lose passion.

Now, let me please sum up and kindly help me to get my faults.

We have one of the european most reliable young managers with a record of success in every season he managed in what is not longer the best league but still the most difficult, being traditionally used to melt in pot the widest and most effective football cultures and schools, sometimes featuring the best players, currently just very good ones. Moreover, this man was widely reckoned to be a coach on the pitch when he was still playing alongside top players. His record include successfull handling of zoos worser than City (Inter is one of the most traditional european side, from one of the most demanding city and had spent billions euro without any achievement for about 30 years).

This guy is confortably sat on his couch with a € 8m/year (gross) contract in force with former employer for the next 2, looking quitely to the best forthcoming proposal, having surely declined a 3 years proposal from juventus last summer, a 4 years proposal from Zenit St. Pet. few early before Spalletti (another great one) appointment and having been rumoured about proposal at Italy international and RM (probable bullox) upon board disgruntment with Pellegrini.

Nice or not, the man is not an idiot and enjoys smart reletionships into English football like Sven Eriksson, David Platt, Liam Brady, Graham Souness, G. Zola, C. Ancelotti, G.L. Vialli; he also knows the England's manager albeit the two are cold each other since they were on the opposite stakes at time of Seria A match-fixing scandal. Definitely he went to PL with a proper picture of the City's mess and the opponents tactics and displays(including american football touch-downers). As well, coming from Italy, he would had been prepared to face some players' awareness of their incompatibility with the CL level, but perhaps he expected to be able to set up a block of best 14, without facing a continous fall of causalties.
The only problem he may not have foreseen is the inability of some proven top managers to get a working licence or a fair treatment from RM on a player which they sideline.

So, he is approached by the Good Sheik, who told him: look, gentleman I am wise wealthy investor. I got one of the finest English Clubs and I wanna turn It in a world dominant club. I have already established some top managers to build up a leading brand. I have no experience of football industry and, off course, I made some mistakes resulted in wasting about £ 250m in top teams' scraps. Sometimes You're lucky and scraps turn to be gold like Tevez. Do You think to be able to deliver a CL stage with an unbalanced roster of losers? Do You think to be able to handle some gifted children and show them the difference between play and job? In doing that You'll receive a limited financial support in the jan wind, as You agree with me, what we need to step further is not available in mid term business and also needs a CL qualification.

On this background do You actually think, Mates, that RM is such a moroon not to have asked for strict warranties of a fair opportunity? [/color]
Indeed, he is not a marketing scholar like Jose, as well he's neither a "best record blackburn 7th rockie" to run in a tricky bet against all odds. What's worth in throwing a well established reputation?
I don't know how many MI5 pundits post the forum, so perhaps someone may be well informed, but I'll be extremely surprised if, whether a dramatic fall to 6th won't occurur, RM wouldn't be provided a full season to show his football with his men and his pre-season fitness training.

Worth to add that, whether Mourinho would actually be released by his contract with Moratti, and where is largely arguable he might do any better than Mancio (as Chelsea will come close to confirm, even with the addition of E'eto, Milito, Snejider and Motta, i.r.o. the loss of Ibra) for sure would be more likely go to Liverpool, specially if they will sadly retain the CL spot: it is not arguable that Liverpool still have a backbone and City not yet.
Should I'd be wrong and Jose come, it won't be without a conctactual full authority on each and every football related matter and a full vallet of blank cheques: do You really see Chairman and CEO prepared to conceide it? In the case be also prepared to see again Given, Hart, Richards, Lescott, DJ, Kompany, Johnson(both) and Tevez (maybe Bellers and Ade) and the rest stripped the entrance badge to the training ground.

I see the point represented by Original Dub, it is real and sensed. I'd only disagree on the equation that because I paid a sheep 200m it should necessarily be Angiolina Jolie and I am not a stud if I am not able to f**k the sheep with the same passion I'd have to Angie... :-)
To be fair, imo, it's where You want to put the stake, Mate:
if You want an Everton/Birmingham level - you're totally right and might got entertained and retain that level with this stuff
if You want a top 4 level, You need to endeavour a little further effort of patience, over the last 30 years, sip tasteless soup for the next 3 months, effort all the best You can from Your Blue good humor, while showing the Team they are backed by an inconditionated support.

A little good lack would also be helpfull, to have Shay stopping a ball that he will stop 999/1000, to have Bellers out of pub's row, to have Carlito not side-tracked by serious family engagements, a less arsh treatment to City from SKY tv and, maybe, Ireland more focused on providing some 60' of his capability better than on "working hard with the fans at signing sessions" or on "caribbean fish tanks".

Would also suggest who fairly belives Mancini is a defensive minded, to put the latest games highlights in a file, send it to a coulple of Inter's Boys leaders and ask for their advice in replay.


This is just my fair opinion, I'd love to receive contradictory points.

[Ted Hughes]

On this background do You actually think, Mates, that RM is such a moroon not to have asked for strict warranties of a fair opportunity?

Mancini has said that he considers he's on a trial period at City & neither he nor his staff have bought any property over here.The club could come out & end the speculation right now just by saying he'll start next season as City's manager but so far they've said nothing.

Re Mourinho's contract; he said recently he has a buy out clause (about £5M I think) so if he wants to go they can't stop him.

You raise some interesting points. As I've said previously, I'd rather keep Mancini IF he starts playing attacking football but I can't agree that playing the negative rubbish we've been doing will bring us any advantage whatsoever for the rest of the season. People claiming it's some kind of tactical neccessity to continue playing like that are talking nonsense imo. It may be neccessary in one or two games but it should still come with a quality attacking threat. Even Stoke have a method for scoring goals. It's very difficult to defend perfectly for 90 mins against PL teams, as Mancini has found to his huge embarassment with Inter. If we limit our ambitions to that we'll get murdered in the coming weeks when we play the better teams & beaten or draw v some of the lesser ones who play the boring game much better than we do, like Stoke & Hull.

As for us having a squad full of scraps, I think most of our 'scraps' would get into the squads of the usual top 4 & about 8 of them would get into Liverpool's team & half of them regularly get into Arsenal or Utd's.

[Swales4ever]

On this background do You actually think, Mates, that RM is such a moroon not to have asked for strict warranties of a fair opportunity?

Mancini has said that he considers he's on a trial period at City & neither he nor his staff have bought any property over here.The club could come out & end the speculation right now just by saying he'll start next season as City's manager but so far they've said nothing.

Re Mourinho's contract; he said recently he has a buy out clause (about £5M I think) so if he wants to go they can't stop him.

You raise some interesting points. As I've said previously, I'd rather keep Mancini IF he starts playing attacking football but I can't agree that playing the negative rubbish we've been doing will bring us any advantage whatsoever for the rest of the season. People claiming it's some kind of tactical neccessity to continue playing like that are talking nonsense imo. It may be neccessary in one or two games but it should still come with a quality attacking threat. Even Stoke have a method for scoring goals. It's very difficult to defend perfectly for 90 mins against PL teams, as Mancini has found to his huge embarassment with Inter. If we limit our ambitions to that we'll get murdered in the coming weeks when we play the better teams & beaten or draw v some of the lesser ones who play the boring game much better than we do, like Stoke & Hull.

As for us having a squad full of scraps, I think most of our 'scraps' would get into the squads of the usual top 4 & about 8 of them would get into Liverpool's team & half of them regularly get into Arsenal or Utd's.

Well, Teddy... as I said I tried to contribute to an interesting debate, honestly, with a fair opinion.
I am definitedly not a football pundit but just a huge fan since the last 35 years, particularly of the now called premiership as per its huge contrast with the hyper tactical, unfair football played in my country. Nonetheless it is not a case if England Int.nal and 3/4 of the current big 4 are managed by continental coaches.
I read all this topic and out of it I noticed most of Your contributions: I agree on some, I may not on few other, I noticed a thread of wise and fair passion along with all of them.
Probably, my opinion does not deserve Your usual fair mood. You're entitled, up to You. Fair enough?

I'm also hugely fond of tennis, that I use to play any time I can. I'd be prepared to bet my right arm You understood the meaning of my "top 4's scraps"... If You wanna hoax it to "us having a squad full of scraps", again it is up to You. Definitely not on line with Your usual wise, fair mood.

Again, if you refer to the 2007/08 Liverpool-Inter 3-0 (aggr.) - I'd qualify that output as a legittimate deserved victory, better than a "Mancini's huge embarassment": both games had been played 11vs.10. I was travelling abroad at the first leg, I just read that Materazzi was sent off and being him a moroon of the same order of g. neville I have not doubt that he fully deserved; on the contrary I saw the 2° leg that was highly influenced by the same norvegian t@t who kicked Chelsea out of last season semi and last tuesday performed the masterpiece that hopefully will end his career at Munchen.

Where facts differ from opinion is that if a manager who always played attack plays defensively, is just because his team is featured with players as unbalanced as out of stamina that if you do not compensate with tactics the only You get is Fort Apache (albeit Richards-Kompany-Lescott-Barry, never selectable, is 1 of 2-3 best bck row in PL).
If You look at City vs Stoke FA home, 1-0 in front on the perfect and wide pitch we enjoy, You do neither need a manager, You only need 11 pros, working with the same attitude You show every monday morning leaving home. imo.

[ronk]

what Ted said.
If your mate is going to emulate Ramos and win a trophy in his first season it will have to be the FA cup, cos we are not in the one Ramos won 4 months after signing up.
But that shouldn't be a problem as he has only to beat Stoke and Chelsea to be in with a chance and this set of players have beaten both this season even before he strengthened the squad in January.
This is a promising young manager with a language problem and without any confidence that his trigger happy board won't shout time any time.
and my worry is that he will end up with something else in common with ramos...a five minute cameo in the "best league in the world". That would be less than he deserves.

That's a matter of opinion.

[btajim]

On this background do You actually think, Mates, that RM is such a moroon not to have asked for strict warranties of a fair opportunity?

Mancini has said that he considers he's on a trial period at City & neither he nor his staff have bought any property over here.The club could come out & end the speculation right now just by saying he'll start next season as City's manager but so far they've said nothing.

It really does concern me that the Club don't appear to be 100% committed to their Manager. I can't help but think that it causes instability.

[Citizen of Oslo]

I think the next few games will give us answers. The cup must be won or a top 4 finish achieved if Mancini is to survive is my belief. And by playing L'pool, Stoke in the cup, Chelsea and Spurs next, we will soon have a better idea wether Mancini will stay or not.

[Ted Hughes]

[Probably, my opinion does not deserve Your usual fair mood. You're entitled, up to You. Fair enough?

I'm sorry mate but I've no idea what you mean. I've tried to reply honestly to what you said. If I've misunderstood what you've written then it's just a mistake. I've not tried to twist anything that you've said.

[Original Dub]

[Probably, my opinion does not deserve Your usual fair mood. You're entitled, up to You. Fair enough?

I'm sorry mate but I've no idea what you mean. I've tried to reply honestly to what you said. If I've misunderstood what you've written then it's just a mistake. I've not tried to twist anything that you've said.

I think someone has a fairly good grip on one of your legs Mr Hughes...

[Ted Hughes]

[Probably, my opinion does not deserve Your usual fair mood. You're entitled, up to You. Fair enough?

I'm sorry mate but I've no idea what you mean. I've tried to reply honestly to what you said. If I've misunderstood what you've written then it's just a mistake. I've not tried to twist anything that you've said.

I think someone has a fairly good grip on one of your legs Mr Hughes...

Fair enough, it's easily done, I'm quite a friendly & gullible type person. I'm still waiting for that money from Africa to go into my recently emptied bank account..

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

[Probably, my opinion does not deserve Your usual fair mood. You're entitled, up to You. Fair enough?

I'm sorry mate but I've no idea what you mean. I've tried to reply honestly to what you said. If I've misunderstood what you've written then it's just a mistake. I've not tried to twist anything that you've said.

I think someone has a fairly good grip on one of your legs Mr Hughes...

Fair enough, it's easily done, I'm quite a friendly & gullible type person. I'm still waiting for that money from Africa to go into my recently emptied bank account..

FMTWF!

[Original Dub]

[Probably, my opinion does not deserve Your usual fair mood. You're entitled, up to You. Fair enough?

I'm sorry mate but I've no idea what you mean. I've tried to reply honestly to what you said. If I've misunderstood what you've written then it's just a mistake. I've not tried to twist anything that you've said.

I think someone has a fairly good grip on one of your legs Mr Hughes...

Fair enough, it's easily done, I'm quite a friendly & gullible type person. I'm still waiting for that money from Africa to go into my recently emptied bank account..

FMTWF!

:)

[Swales4ever]

[Probably, my opinion does not deserve Your usual fair mood. You're entitled, up to You. Fair enough?

I'm sorry mate but I've no idea what you mean. I've tried to reply honestly to what you said. If I've misunderstood what you've written then it's just a mistake. I've not tried to twist anything that you've said.

I take Your misunderstanding acknowledgement of my actual very poor handling of Your mother language as a point of honour from a fair football lover, which opinions I always high rated, either I agreed on or not, Mate.

Today I am to much stressed and focused on the match, but it will be my duty and pleasure to endevour a further attempt of a better explication, soonest.

On a different hand, whatsoever may be entitled assessments on Mancini's abilities, I hope loads of Blue Mates had the opportunity to watch yesterday night Inter vs. Sampdoria.
Irrespectively of what a poor team of average players Sampdoria is, who saw the coverage of that match have had a bright picture of why the Club which bears the inheritage of Bell/Mercer/Summersbee/Trautmann's sportsmanship and fairplay do not deserve to be ruined by such a b*****d clown Mourinho is.

[Original Dub]

[Probably, my opinion does not deserve Your usual fair mood. You're entitled, up to You. Fair enough?

I'm sorry mate but I've no idea what you mean. I've tried to reply honestly to what you said. If I've misunderstood what you've written then it's just a mistake. I've not tried to twist anything that you've said.

I take Your misunderstanding acknowledgement of my actual very poor handling of Your mother language as a point of honour from a fair football lover, which opinions I always high rated, either I agreed on or not, Mate.

Today I am to much stressed and focused on the match, but it will be my duty and pleasure to endevour a further attempt of a better explication, soonest.

On a different hand, whatsoever may be entitled assessments on Mancini's abilities, I hope loads of Blue Mates had the opportunity to watch yesterday night Inter vs. Sampdoria.
Irrespectively of what a poor team of average players Sampdoria is, who saw the coverage of that match have had a bright picture of why the Club which bears the inheritage of Bell/Mercer/Summersbee/Trautmann's sportsmanship and fairplay do not deserve to be ruined by such a b*****d clown Mourinho is.

Well fuck me pink, babble fish is an actual PERSON!

Nice to finally meet you Mr Fish!

[Swales4ever]

[Probably, my opinion does not deserve Your usual fair mood. You're entitled, up to You. Fair enough?

I'm sorry mate but I've no idea what you mean. I've tried to reply honestly to what you said. If I've misunderstood what you've written then it's just a mistake. I've not tried to twist anything that you've said.

I take Your misunderstanding acknowledgement of my actual very poor handling of Your mother language as a point of honour from a fair football lover, which opinions I always high rated, either I agreed on or not, Mate.

Today I am to much stressed and focused on the match, but it will be my duty and pleasure to endevour a further attempt of a better explication, soonest.

On a different hand, whatsoever may be entitled assessments on Mancini's abilities, I hope loads of Blue Mates had the opportunity to watch yesterday night Inter vs. Sampdoria.
Irrespectively of what a poor team of average players Sampdoria is, who saw the coverage of that match have had a bright picture of why the Club which bears the inheritage of Bell/Mercer/Summersbee/Trautmann's sportsmanship and fairplay do not deserve to be ruined by such a b*****d clown Mourinho is.

Well fuck me pink, babble fish is an actual PERSON!

Nice to finally meet you Mr Fish!

Sorry my knowdledge of language does not come up to understand this.

I can see there should be some humor and irony but I cannot match the actual meaning...

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

[Probably, my opinion does not deserve Your usual fair mood. You're entitled, up to You. Fair enough?

I'm sorry mate but I've no idea what you mean. I've tried to reply honestly to what you said. If I've misunderstood what you've written then it's just a mistake. I've not tried to twist anything that you've said.

I take Your misunderstanding acknowledgement of my actual very poor handling of Your mother language as a point of honour from a fair football lover, which opinions I always high rated, either I agreed on or not, Mate.

Today I am to much stressed and focused on the match, but it will be my duty and pleasure to endevour a further attempt of a better explication, soonest.

On a different hand, whatsoever may be entitled assessments on Mancini's abilities, I hope loads of Blue Mates had the opportunity to watch yesterday night Inter vs. Sampdoria.
Irrespectively of what a poor team of average players Sampdoria is, who saw the coverage of that match have had a bright picture of why the Club which bears the inheritage of Bell/Mercer/Summersbee/Trautmann's sportsmanship and fairplay do not deserve to be ruined by such a b*****d clown Mourinho is.

Well fuck me pink, babble fish is an actual PERSON!

Nice to finally meet you Mr Fish!

Sorry my knowdledge of language does not come up to understand this.

I can see there should be some humor and irony but I cannot match the actual meaning...

I'm literally in tears laughing.

Mancio mate, you are a star!

[Swales4ever]

[Probably, my opinion does not deserve Your usual fair mood. You're entitled, up to You. Fair enough?

I'm sorry mate but I've no idea what you mean. I've tried to reply honestly to what you said. If I've misunderstood what you've written then it's just a mistake. I've not tried to twist anything that you've said.

I take Your misunderstanding acknowledgement of my actual very poor handling of Your mother language as a point of honour from a fair football lover, which opinions I always high rated, either I agreed on or not, Mate.

Today I am to much stressed and focused on the match, but it will be my duty and pleasure to endevour a further attempt of a better explication, soonest.

On a different hand, whatsoever may be entitled assessments on Mancini's abilities, I hope loads of Blue Mates had the opportunity to watch yesterday night Inter vs. Sampdoria.
Irrespectively of what a poor team of average players Sampdoria is, who saw the coverage of that match have had a bright picture of why the Club which bears the inheritage of Bell/Mercer/Summersbee/Trautmann's sportsmanship and fairplay do not deserve to be ruined by such a b*****d clown Mourinho is.

Well fuck me pink, babble fish is an actual PERSON!

Nice to finally meet you Mr Fish!

I'm literally in tears laughing.

Mancio mate, you are a star!

Well, Niall Quinn Mate, I am honoured and thankfull to You.... don't drive me blush....
But I have to be honest - I rather didn't actually understand Original Dub's adreess, at last not completely - cuz I'm too poor at language.

Nevertheless, what is worthier, my point on Mourinho is very actual and serious, and I stand steady for that.
Go and sack Mancini if City like it, no matter, I'll still continue to support the Club untill It will be one of the world's finest in terms of sportsmanship and fair legacy. Just be extremely cautious on who'll come the next incumbent.

Already City enjoys loads of harshness due to envy for Its huge wealth, but Mourinho's arrogance will be the last ring that will turn the like of Mascherano's populisms ("money can't buy history!") into close reality: since now City holds great pride of Its history, being able to stand tall as a century scholar of Sportsmanship anf Fair Play, which perhaps is worthier than loads of silverwares.

It's no doubt easier a full disappointment at SAF's arrogance and unfairness while being at neighbourhood, but the Big Rag himself is a childish apprentice in front Mourinho, insofar arrogance and unfairness are concerned, imho.

[carl_feedthegoat]

POST OF THE YEAR MATE.
IM PISSIN MYSELF LAUGHIN AND YOU MADE MY COFFEE SPILL ONTO MY DUVET.
CUNT.

[blue 68]

No, thank god!

[BlueinBosnia]

To clarify this:

Well fuck me pink, babble fish is an actual PERSON!
!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babble_fish

[ronk]

[Probably, my opinion does not deserve Your usual fair mood. You're entitled, up to You. Fair enough?

I'm sorry mate but I've no idea what you mean. I've tried to reply honestly to what you said. If I've misunderstood what you've written then it's just a mistake. I've not tried to twist anything that you've said.

I take Your misunderstanding acknowledgement of my actual very poor handling of Your mother language as a point of honour from a fair football lover, which opinions I always high rated, either I agreed on or not, Mate.

Today I am to much stressed and focused on the match, but it will be my duty and pleasure to endevour a further attempt of a better explication, soonest.

On a different hand, whatsoever may be entitled assessments on Mancini's abilities, I hope loads of Blue Mates had the opportunity to watch yesterday night Inter vs. Sampdoria.
Irrespectively of what a poor team of average players Sampdoria is, who saw the coverage of that match have had a bright picture of why the Club which bears the inheritage of Bell/Mercer/Summersbee/Trautmann's sportsmanship and fairplay do not deserve to be ruined by such a b*****d clown Mourinho is.

Good post. I missed that match but have a fair idea of what to expect.