Kneeling

[Guy Debord]

Booing a gesture intended to bring about an end to racism is as low as football fans have got in a long time and this 'Marxist' bullshit is a fragile defence.

How is it bringing an end to racism. I look forward to this one. More importantly, how is Colin Kazim-Richards doing a Black Power salute not adding to the problem?

I’ve seen the ridiculous term White Power associated with BNP, EDL, Nazi’s. So what is the difference with someone doing a Black Power salute? Surely you can see that adds more tension than anything?!!

If you can't see the difference between white power and black power, I'm fucked if I can teach you. Read a book

[Mase]

Booing a gesture intended to bring about an end to racism is as low as football fans have got in a long time and this 'Marxist' bullshit is a fragile defence.

How is it bringing an end to racism. I look forward to this one. More importantly, how is Colin Kazim-Richards doing a Black Power salute not adding to the problem?

I’ve seen the ridiculous term White Power associated with BNP, EDL, Nazi’s. So what is the difference with someone doing a Black Power salute? Surely you can see that adds more tension than anything?!!

If you can't tell the difference between white power and black power I'm fucked if I can teach you. Read a book

So you’re saying there’s a difference in doing a black power and white power SALUTE.
So you’re not going to answer the question? Is doing a black power salute helping?

If you can’t answer it’s okay mate. You won’t look bad.

[Harry Dowd scored]

All of these people claiming that Maine road Inthe 70s, 80s and 80s was some kind of colour blind utopia are fucking delusional.

I don't believe anyone who regularly attended can't have heard racist comments towards black players, hissing at Tottenham, sexism the list goes on. It was commonplace at football back then and to deny that is to lie.

My memory of Maine road was of the crowd being predominantly white despite being in an extremely multicultural area. This was highlighted when city played a friendly against Jamaica and the locals actually did show up. I was shocked at the demographic shift. Why didn't black moss siders attend the league games?

The feeling that those old entrenched views are suppressed and exist just below the surface has been made clear by many recent incidents including racism towards Sterling both by opposition and (unbelievably) our own fans and the fucking abject behaviour of Millwall mouth breathers.

Booing a gesture intended to bring about an end to racism is as low as football fans have got in a long time and this 'Marxist' bullshit is a fragile defence.

If I was black and took my kids to a game and saw that I wouldn't be going back.

I can only hope that the keyboard warriors on here won't be in attendance when we go back to the Etihad as I don't want to see the club's name associated (against the club's will) with this kind of regressive behaviour.

Here's some recollections by fans for the hard of remembering: https://www.theguardian.com/observer/sp ... 55,00.html

I am going to take a punt with this, but reading your posts, I would say you are not a very happy go lucky guy, all due respect

[City64]

All of these people claiming that Maine road Inthe 70s, 80s and 80s was some kind of colour blind utopia are fucking delusional.

I don't believe anyone who regularly attended can't have heard racist comments towards black players, hissing at Tottenham, sexism the list goes on. It was commonplace at football back then and to deny that is to lie.

My memory of Maine road was of the crowd being predominantly white despite being in an extremely multicultural area. This was highlighted when city played a friendly against Jamaica and the locals actually did show up. I was shocked at the demographic shift. Why didn't black moss siders attend the league games?

The feeling that those old entrenched views are suppressed and exist just below the surface has been made clear by many recent incidents including racism towards Sterling both by opposition and (unbelievably) our own fans and the fucking abject behaviour of Millwall mouth breathers.

Booing a gesture intended to bring about an end to racism is as low as football fans have got in a long time and this 'Marxist' bullshit is a fragile defence.

If I was black and took my kids to a game and saw that I wouldn't be going back.

I can only hope that the keyboard warriors on here won't be in attendance when we go back to the Etihad as I don't want to see the club's name associated (against the club's will) with this kind of regressive behaviour.

Here's some recollections by fans for the hard of remembering: https://www.theguardian.com/observer/sp ... 55,00.html

I am going to take a punt with this, but reading your posts, I would say you are not a very happy go lucky guy, all due respect

Pmsl

[Guy Debord]

All of these people claiming that Maine road Inthe 70s, 80s and 80s was some kind of colour blind utopia are fucking delusional.

I don't believe anyone who regularly attended can't have heard racist comments towards black players, hissing at Tottenham, sexism the list goes on. It was commonplace at football back then and to deny that is to lie.

My memory of Maine road was of the crowd being predominantly white despite being in an extremely multicultural area. This was highlighted when city played a friendly against Jamaica and the locals actually did show up. I was shocked at the demographic shift. Why didn't black moss siders attend the league games?

The feeling that those old entrenched views are suppressed and exist just below the surface has been made clear by many recent incidents including racism towards Sterling both by opposition and (unbelievably) our own fans and the fucking abject behaviour of Millwall mouth breathers.

Booing a gesture intended to bring about an end to racism is as low as football fans have got in a long time and this 'Marxist' bullshit is a fragile defence.

If I was black and took my kids to a game and saw that I wouldn't be going back.

I can only hope that the keyboard warriors on here won't be in attendance when we go back to the Etihad as I don't want to see the club's name associated (against the club's will) with this kind of regressive behaviour.

Here's some recollections by fans for the hard of remembering: https://www.theguardian.com/observer/sp ... 55,00.html

I am going to take a punt with this, but reading your posts, I would say you are not a very happy go lucky guy, all due respect

I don't find racism a very happy go lucky kind of subject.
Sorry mate.

[Harry Dowd scored]

All of these people claiming that Maine road Inthe 70s, 80s and 80s was some kind of colour blind utopia are fucking delusional.

I don't believe anyone who regularly attended can't have heard racist comments towards black players, hissing at Tottenham, sexism the list goes on. It was commonplace at football back then and to deny that is to lie.

My memory of Maine road was of the crowd being predominantly white despite being in an extremely multicultural area. This was highlighted when city played a friendly against Jamaica and the locals actually did show up. I was shocked at the demographic shift. Why didn't black moss siders attend the league games?

The feeling that those old entrenched views are suppressed and exist just below the surface has been made clear by many recent incidents including racism towards Sterling both by opposition and (unbelievably) our own fans and the fucking abject behaviour of Millwall mouth breathers.

Booing a gesture intended to bring about an end to racism is as low as football fans have got in a long time and this 'Marxist' bullshit is a fragile defence.

If I was black and took my kids to a game and saw that I wouldn't be going back.

I can only hope that the keyboard warriors on here won't be in attendance when we go back to the Etihad as I don't want to see the club's name associated (against the club's will) with this kind of regressive behaviour.

Here's some recollections by fans for the hard of remembering: https://www.theguardian.com/observer/sp ... 55,00.html

I am going to take a punt with this, but reading your posts, I would say you are not a very happy go lucky guy, all due respect

I don't find racism a very happy go lucky kind of subject.
Sorry mate.

FFS man lighten up, I am Irish, look at my location, I bet you have not received the racist abuse I have, trick is mate, do not be offended on somebody else’s behalf, it is not a good look.

[Guy Debord]

All of these people claiming that Maine road Inthe 70s, 80s and 80s was some kind of colour blind utopia are fucking delusional.

I don't believe anyone who regularly attended can't have heard racist comments towards black players, hissing at Tottenham, sexism the list goes on. It was commonplace at football back then and to deny that is to lie.

My memory of Maine road was of the crowd being predominantly white despite being in an extremely multicultural area. This was highlighted when city played a friendly against Jamaica and the locals actually did show up. I was shocked at the demographic shift. Why didn't black moss siders attend the league games?

The feeling that those old entrenched views are suppressed and exist just below the surface has been made clear by many recent incidents including racism towards Sterling both by opposition and (unbelievably) our own fans and the fucking abject behaviour of Millwall mouth breathers.

Booing a gesture intended to bring about an end to racism is as low as football fans have got in a long time and this 'Marxist' bullshit is a fragile defence.

If I was black and took my kids to a game and saw that I wouldn't be going back.

I can only hope that the keyboard warriors on here won't be in attendance when we go back to the Etihad as I don't want to see the club's name associated (against the club's will) with this kind of regressive behaviour.

Here's some recollections by fans for the hard of remembering: https://www.theguardian.com/observer/sp ... 55,00.html

I am going to take a punt with this, but reading your posts, I would say you are not a very happy go lucky guy, all due respect

I don't find racism a very happy go lucky kind of subject.
Sorry mate.

FFS man lighten up, I am Irish, look at my location, I bet you have not received the racist abuse I have, trick is mate, do not be offended on somebody else’s behalf, it is not a good look.

If I heard anti-Irish prejudice I would be offended on your behalf as well as personally. Part of being human.

[Mase]

Guy. You’ve come on, blasted us with an essay about how horrible Maine Road was for people you don’t know and have made up in your head. Then someone’s asked a simple question, you’ve seen your arse and said “go read a book” the questions been asked again and you still won’t answer. What’s the point in even replying in the first place you absolute shithouse of a human.

[Harry Dowd scored]

All of these people claiming that Maine road Inthe 70s, 80s and 80s was some kind of colour blind utopia are fucking delusional.

I don't believe anyone who regularly attended can't have heard racist comments towards black players, hissing at Tottenham, sexism the list goes on. It was commonplace at football back then and to deny that is to lie.

My memory of Maine road was of the crowd being predominantly white despite being in an extremely multicultural area. This was highlighted when city played a friendly against Jamaica and the locals actually did show up. I was shocked at the demographic shift. Why didn't black moss siders attend the league games?

The feeling that those old entrenched views are suppressed and exist just below the surface has been made clear by many recent incidents including racism towards Sterling both by opposition and (unbelievably) our own fans and the fucking abject behaviour of Millwall mouth breathers.

Booing a gesture intended to bring about an end to racism is as low as football fans have got in a long time and this 'Marxist' bullshit is a fragile defence.

If I was black and took my kids to a game and saw that I wouldn't be going back.

I can only hope that the keyboard warriors on here won't be in attendance when we go back to the Etihad as I don't want to see the club's name associated (against the club's will) with this kind of regressive behaviour.

Here's some recollections by fans for the hard of remembering: https://www.theguardian.com/observer/sp ... 55,00.html

I am going to take a punt with this, but reading your posts, I would say you are not a very happy go lucky guy, all due respect

I don't find racism a very happy go lucky kind of subject.
Sorry mate.

FFS man lighten up, I am Irish, look at my location, I bet you have not received the racist abuse I have, trick is mate, do not be offended on somebody else’s behalf, it is not a good look.

If I heard anti-Irish prejudice I would be offended on your behalf as well as personally. Part of being human.

The implication I am not human ffs man grow up grow a pair, you will find life better because, you sound just like my father, the most miserable prick on earth, teaching me Frederich Engels and Karl fucking Marx when I was 15 years old, well you can stick you Da kapital where the fucking sun don’t shine,, here Enders my rant

[bluemoon]

How is it bringing an end to racism. I look forward to this one. More importantly, how is Colin Kazim-Richards doing a Black Power salute not adding to the problem?

I’ve seen the ridiculous term White Power associated with BNP, EDL, Nazi’s. So what is the difference with someone doing a Black Power salute? Surely you can see that adds more tension than anything?!!

That’s not a black power salute. It’s a signal to show solidarity and support.

[Mase]

How is it bringing an end to racism. I look forward to this one. More importantly, how is Colin Kazim-Richards doing a Black Power salute not adding to the problem?

I’ve seen the ridiculous term White Power associated with BNP, EDL, Nazi’s. So what is the difference with someone doing a Black Power salute? Surely you can see that adds more tension than anything?!!

That’s not a black power salute. It’s a signal to show solidarity and support.

When the Black Panther Party was founded in 1966 by Huey P. Newton and Bobby Seale to challenge police brutality against the African American community, the black power fist was repeatedly used.

Crucially, Black Power advocates, particularly more militant groups like the Black Panther Party, did not discount the use of violence, but embraced Malcolm X’s challenge to pursue freedom, equality and justice “by any means necessary.”



Different movements sometimes use different terms to describe the raised fist salute: amongst communists and socialists, raised right fist is sometimes called the red salute, whereas amongst some African-American activists, especially in the United States it has been called the Black Power salute.

[Mase]

Plenty of replies trying to come up with nonsense. But still no one has answered my question...is repeating a salute helping with racial tensions or making things worse? Especially when the salute looks similar to one that was used by people that started a world war.

[BlueinBosnia]

My memory of Maine road was of the crowd being predominantly white despite being in an extremely multicultural area.

Mine too. Admittedly I only went to 20-odd games at Maine Road, and never went in the Kippax, but the first time I remember seeing a black adult in the stands was at CoMS. To counter that, I was in with the home fans at St. Andrew's around 1998 (I think we lost 2-1), and I could see a number of black people in the away end (i.e. City's end), so it may have been the case that the longer-term fans - who were able to get tickets for away games - congregated in the parts of the ground that I never got tickets for. And of course, it may just be that I never paid attention to who-had-which skin colour. Youngsters/youths always seemed far more ethnically mixed inside the stadium, though, from my recollections.

[Mase]

On the topic of Maine Road - I found my season ticket for 1996/1997 season in the Kippax just after it had been rebuilt. £250.

The first black person I saw in the crowd at Maine Road was Alex Williams MBE. He was the first person that greated us actually when the stand opened. He later went on to do the tours of Maine Road and I’m sure worked his way up higher.

[Mase]

Also found my Junior Blues membership. Again, without things like Junior Blues I wouldn’t have met people of different races and interacted with them and made friends with them. Bury and my school was predominantly white, so going to Moss Side or Platt Lane and meeting kids and players of different races helped me massively - and that was without any initiative or one sided group getting involved. There were no salutes done, there wasn’t any mention of this person or that person being different. Meeting Curle, Fitzroy Simpson, Edgie..at no point getting their autograph as a kid did I think “this person is different from me” all I was thinking about was “wow I’m meeting a City player”. Football can help so much educate people and bring people together. The stuff that’s going on now is pushing people further apart and this thread is proof of that. These are my experiences and all I have to go off.

Educate the kids. Stop all this nonsense that appeases America or one particular political party. Educating kids at an early age is the only way forward.

[BlueinBosnia]

On the topic of Maine Road - I found my season ticket for 1996/1997 season in the Kippax just after it had been rebuilt. £250.

The first black person I saw in the crowd at Maine Road was Alex Williams MBE. He was the first person that greated us actually when the stand opened. He later went on to do the tours of Maine Road and I’m sure worked his way up higher.

I was going to mention Williams, actually, because I know he attended games as a fan as well as an employee of the club, which shows my experiences aren't barenaked facts. I never saw him in the stands, but I met him on a tour of Maine Road; I think it was a few weeks after he was awarded his MBE.

Was it £250 for an adult or kid (I think you're possibly around my age, maybe a year older)? That seems mental money for what was being served up on the pitch.

[Mase]

On the topic of Maine Road - I found my season ticket for 1996/1997 season in the Kippax just after it had been rebuilt. £250.

The first black person I saw in the crowd at Maine Road was Alex Williams MBE. He was the first person that greated us actually when the stand opened. He later went on to do the tours of Maine Road and I’m sure worked his way up higher.

I was going to mention Williams, actually, because I know he attended games as a fan as well as an employee of the club, which shows my experiences aren't barenaked facts. I never saw him in the stands, but I met him on a tour of Maine Road; I think it was a few weeks after he was awarded his MBE.

Was it £250 for an adult or kid (I think you're possibly around my age, maybe a year older)? That seems mental money for what was being served up on the pitch.

£250 for an adult £175 for kids. We had four season tickets - 2 adults and 2 kids. I remember with the ticket we got they also gave us a book full of numbers. Every week when we got to the back of the kippax we’d have to see which number they’d put up and rip it out of our book and give it to the person at the turnstile Imagine that now!

[bluemoon]

How is it bringing an end to racism. I look forward to this one. More importantly, how is Colin Kazim-Richards doing a Black Power salute not adding to the problem?

I’ve seen the ridiculous term White Power associated with BNP, EDL, Nazi’s. So what is the difference with someone doing a Black Power salute? Surely you can see that adds more tension than anything?!!

That’s not a black power salute. It’s a signal to show solidarity and support.

When the Black Panther Party was founded in 1966 by Huey P. Newton and Bobby Seale to challenge police brutality against the African American community, the black power fist was repeatedly used.

Crucially, Black Power advocates, particularly more militant groups like the Black Panther Party, did not discount the use of violence, but embraced Malcolm X’s challenge to pursue freedom, equality and justice “by any means necessary.”



Different movements sometimes use different terms to describe the raised fist salute: amongst communists and socialists, raised right fist is sometimes called the red salute, whereas amongst some African-American activists, especially in the United States it has been called the Black Power salute.

1st entry in google search/Wikipedia for raised fist = The raised fist, or the clenched fist, is seen universal symbol of solidarity and support. It is also used as a salute to express unity, strength, defiance, or resistance.

It also seems that you have a very skewed view of what the black power movement is actually about and the fact you believe that the players are raising their fists as a mark of black supremacy, which says all that needs to be said about you and the place of ignorance where you’re coming from.

[carl_feedthegoat]

How is it bringing an end to racism. I look forward to this one. More importantly, how is Colin Kazim-Richards doing a Black Power salute not adding to the problem?

I’ve seen the ridiculous term White Power associated with BNP, EDL, Nazi’s. So what is the difference with someone doing a Black Power salute? Surely you can see that adds more tension than anything?!!

That’s not a black power salute. It’s a signal to show solidarity and support.

When the Black Panther Party was founded in 1966 by Huey P. Newton and Bobby Seale to challenge police brutality against the African American community, the black power fist was repeatedly used.

Crucially, Black Power advocates, particularly more militant groups like the Black Panther Party, did not discount the use of violence, but embraced Malcolm X’s challenge to pursue freedom, equality and justice “by any means necessary.”



Different movements sometimes use different terms to describe the raised fist salute: amongst communists and socialists, raised right fist is sometimes called the red salute, whereas amongst some African-American activists, especially in the United States it has been called the Black Power salute.

1st entry in google search/Wikipedia for raised fist = The raised fist, or the clenched fist, is seen universal symbol of solidarity and support. It is also used as a salute to express unity, strength, defiance, or resistance.

It also seems that you have a very skewed view of what the black power movement is actually about and the fact you believe that the players are raising their fists as a mark of black supremacy, which says all that needs to be said about you and the place of ignorance where you’re coming from.

If they want to get a message across , this isn't the way to do it - lets all be honest here - he BLM movement have caused so much divisiveness across society that people are now sick and tired of it , sick and tired of it being rammed down our throats at every moment....and now its made its way into football FFS!!

Bluemoon - Ive always liked you even if I do not totally agree with your political leanings but I have to tell you its very hard for me to handle all this turmoil that is going on without getting angry , especially when I personally have always treated people the way they have treated me and ensure my employees do the same , regardless of race creed or color..........my mantra has always been ''treat people how they treat you'' treat people how they treat you''...........its that fuckign easy.

Educate CHILDREN from primary age upwards but lets ensure it is actually Educating and not Indoctrinating otherwise they will grow up resentful.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

As far as I can see this does nothing to help in the fight against racism.

It just provides a platform for hateful cunts to spout their hateful shit