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Re: Welcome to Messi Manchester

Postby City64 » Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:58 am

Despite the hideous distraction of corrupt la Liga and drawn out Spanish political bullshit MCFC need to replace David Silva also a top forward and a top CB .Got a feeling a lot is going to happen over the weekend but the whole situation has become tedious in the extreme .
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Re: Welcome to Messi Manchester

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:25 am

City64 wrote:Despite the hideous distraction of corrupt la Liga and drawn out Spanish political bullshit MCFC need to replace David Silva also a top forward and a top CB .Got a feeling a lot is going to happen over the weekend but the whole situation has become tedious in the extreme .


David Silva does not need replacing - We have Foden.

That is exactly what Pep said.
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Re: Welcome to Messi Manchester

Postby salford city » Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:39 am

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
City64 wrote:Despite the hideous distraction of corrupt la Liga and drawn out Spanish political bullshit MCFC need to replace David Silva also a top forward and a top CB .Got a feeling a lot is going to happen over the weekend but the whole situation has become tedious in the extreme .


David Silva does not need replacing - We have Foden.

That is exactly what Pep said.


yes he did. He should be starting more often than not next season. Bernie should also get a run in the middle and see if he is better for us there than out wide
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Re: Welcome to Messi Manchester

Postby brite blu sky » Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:41 am

not sure why this is tedious anymore than any other transfer speculation - maybe simply our own expectations and exitement.

Anyways as mentioned City need to keep focused on other recruitment more than this.

So it seems that Messi's lawyers are preparing a statement to be released today - maybe delivered by Messi himself.

that would in itself suggest he is not going to play ball, why have a lawyer's statement if you are going to give up?

So it could get interesting today.

I'm inclined to think he is going to reject the Barca and La Liga angle - but what he may propose to do is anyone's guess.

Still think he is going to force an exit, maybe via the courts.
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Re: Welcome to Messi Manchester

Postby City64 » Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:53 am

brite blu sky wrote:not sure why this is tedious anymore than any other transfer speculation - maybe simply our own expectations and exitement.

Anyways as mentioned City need to keep focused on other recruitment more than this.

So it seems that Messi's lawyers are preparing a statement to be released today - maybe delivered by Messi himself.

that would in itself suggest he is not going to play ball, why have a lawyer's statement if you are going to give up?

So it could get interesting today.

I'm inclined to think he is going to reject the Barca and La Liga angle - but what he may propose to do is anyone's guess.

Still think he is going to force an exit, maybe via the courts.

The politics of it all are already tedious pal . It happens in Latin countries and its fucking tedious . At least MCFC continue to stay silent and show dignity and class whilst la Liga and FC Barcelona hang out there corrupt dirty washing in the global public domain.
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Re: Welcome to Messi Manchester

Postby City64 » Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:58 am

salford city wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
City64 wrote:Despite the hideous distraction of corrupt la Liga and drawn out Spanish political bullshit MCFC need to replace David Silva also a top forward and a top CB .Got a feeling a lot is going to happen over the weekend but the whole situation has become tedious in the extreme .


David Silva does not need replacing - We have Foden.

That is exactly what Pep said.


yes he did. He should be starting more often than not next season. Bernie should also get a run in the middle and see if he is better for us there than out wide

Yes Foden is Merlins long term replacement but is he ready ? David Silva,s departure leaves us short in midfield without a doubt , we play a lot of games per season so another midfielder needs to be bought or we become too reliant on KDB as he always picks up some sort of lasting injury per season .
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Re: Welcome to Messi Manchester

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:07 am

City64 wrote:
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carl_feedthegoat wrote:
City64 wrote:Despite the hideous distraction of corrupt la Liga and drawn out Spanish political bullshit MCFC need to replace David Silva also a top forward and a top CB .Got a feeling a lot is going to happen over the weekend but the whole situation has become tedious in the extreme .


David Silva does not need replacing - We have Foden.

That is exactly what Pep said.


yes he did. He should be starting more often than not next season. Bernie should also get a run in the middle and see if he is better for us there than out wide

Yes Foden is Merlins long term replacement but is he ready ? David Silva,s departure leaves us short in midfield without a doubt , we play a lot of games per season so another midfielder needs to be bought or we become too reliant on KDB as he always picks up some sort of lasting injury per season .


Lets stick Foden back on the bench for a year.
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Re: Welcome to Messi Manchester

Postby City64 » Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:16 am

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
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carl_feedthegoat wrote:
City64 wrote:Despite the hideous distraction of corrupt la Liga and drawn out Spanish political bullshit MCFC need to replace David Silva also a top forward and a top CB .Got a feeling a lot is going to happen over the weekend but the whole situation has become tedious in the extreme .


David Silva does not need replacing - We have Foden.

That is exactly what Pep said.


yes he did. He should be starting more often than not next season. Bernie should also get a run in the middle and see if he is better for us there than out wide

Yes Foden is Merlins long term replacement but is he ready ? David Silva,s departure leaves us short in midfield without a doubt , we play a lot of games per season so another midfielder needs to be bought or we become too reliant on KDB as he always picks up some sort of lasting injury per season .


Lets stick Foden back on the bench for a year.

Why ? Foden will play more for sure but we are still light in midfield. Gundogan playing more ? No thanks ! Bernardo yes but he is a different type of player , we will win fuck all with another year of Gundogan / Rodri playing together that has to be broken up ASAP .
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Re: Welcome to Messi Manchester

Postby sheblue » Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:19 am

Foden has to be a first choice in midfield next season. There should be no debate about it.
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Re: Welcome to Messi Manchester

Postby branny » Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:21 am

sheblue wrote:
PrezIke wrote:
sheblue wrote:Personally I hope he stays where he is. As said 100000 times before he is NOT what we need, yeah fun in the short term but nothing more.
We really need to move on (we probably are anyway) and get our main priorities sorted, the new season looms.

PS I do not at all think MCFC reflects bad in this at all, the club have been quiet all along and played it correctly.


You do notice the finishing thread?

Strange to me to say we don't need the best player in the world when we have fans crying about finishing and begging for a striker or to dump Jesus and whinge on about Sterling or worried that Aguero is injured every season and how that impacts goals.

Yes, we can survive without him and other concerns in defence - although I think Ake is an underrated signing - need addressing, but Messi would transform us to another level and we'd easily become the the most feared team in the world for good reason.

His presence alone, surrounded by the talent we already have would mean more clear cut chances and do you see how many goals the man scores? Aguero is not even on his level.


We scored plenty of goals last season did we not?
Did you not notice our considerable problems in defence last season?
The amount of league games we lost?
Messi would be nice in the short term but he solves none of our problems. The kids creaming their pants out there need to wake up and realise this. Yeah some fun with him for a year or maybe two, but we have greater needs at the moment. Its been said a trillion times what we need and that must be the sole focus.
Ake and Torres are indeed great signings but we need more, a lot more, and we need to get on with it.

It is probably all incidental as it looks like little Lionel is doing what he always really wanted to do, and that is stay where he is.


Who would you fancy to score more in our team. Messi ( if he signs) or Sterling?
Balotelli......that's a brilliant finish.
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Re: Welcome to Messi Manchester

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:23 am

Foden is more than ready , in fact , if baldie had played him against Lyon then the game, most probably, would have gone our way.

I get irked when some fans say Foden isn't fuckign ready when its clear he is ready.

Gundogen will get the nod ahead of anyone else in our starting 11 in the big matches regardless of him being a ''whatever player'' as PeP has already stated hes one of the best signings City have ever made...ever !..so we are stuck with him , at least him until hes injured.

We need a defender...not a midfielder.
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Re: Welcome to Messi Manchester

Postby salford city » Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:29 am

[quote="sheblue"]Foden has to be a first choice in midfield next season. There should be no debate about it.[/quote

Overall, we have lost a midfielder. Foden to replace Silva still leaves us down a Foden replacement.
If Foden goes up top in a 3 then Bernie should go into the middle with KDB and Rodri sat behind. I see us being able to swap Foden and Bernie. We should also make use of Doyle in the domestic cups and see how he gets on
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Re: Welcome to Messi Manchester

Postby johnny crossan » Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:18 pm

salford city wrote:
sheblue wrote:Foden has to be a first choice in midfield next season. There should be no debate about it.


Overall, we have lost a midfielder. Foden to replace Silva still leaves us down a Foden replacement.
If Foden goes up top in a 3 then Bernie should go into the middle with KDB and Rodri sat behind. I see us being able to swap Foden and Bernie. We should also make use of Doyle in the domestic cups and see how he gets on

Don't think Foden is ready as a first choice attacking midfielder - still gets knocked off the ball too easily. Hopefully this aspect of his game will improve as he matures - he's still under 21 but only had 9 starts last season and just 13 in total in 43 senior games over 3 seasons. Simply not experienced or good enough yet.
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Re: Welcome to Messi Manchester

Postby City64 » Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:25 pm

johnny crossan wrote:
salford city wrote:
sheblue wrote:Foden has to be a first choice in midfield next season. There should be no debate about it.


Overall, we have lost a midfielder. Foden to replace Silva still leaves us down a Foden replacement.
If Foden goes up top in a 3 then Bernie should go into the middle with KDB and Rodri sat behind. I see us being able to swap Foden and Bernie. We should also make use of Doyle in the domestic cups and see how he gets on

Don't think Foden is ready as a first choice attacking midfielder - still gets knocked off the ball too easily. Hopefully this aspect of his game will improve as he matures - he's still under 21 but only had 9 starts last season and just 13 in total in 43 senior games over 3 seasons. Simply not experienced or good enough yet.

Agreed . Foden still has the physique of a teenager but is still growing. No hiding place in the PL ! still a fantastic prospect but nowhere near the finished article.
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Re: Welcome to Messi Manchester

Postby brite blu sky » Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:34 pm

brite blu sky wrote:not sure why this is tedious anymore than any other transfer speculation - maybe simply our own expectations and exitement.

Anyways as mentioned City need to keep focused on other recruitment more than this.

So it seems that Messi's lawyers are preparing a statement to be released today - maybe delivered by Messi himself.

that would in itself suggest he is not going to play ball, why have a lawyer's statement if you are going to give up?

So it could get interesting today.

I'm inclined to think he is going to reject the Barca and La Liga angle - but what he may propose to do is anyone's guess.

Still think he is going to force an exit, maybe via the courts.


Just read the spanish text of Jorge Messi. - says the 700M release clause is terminated basically due to an error in the contract.

I would think this statement is a pre-cursor to them stating he has now left the club.

Basically it is a legal doc released by J. Messi. pointing out a basic error in the original contract which says the 700M clause is only valid up to the end of 19/20 season.

This leaves the club to challenge it in court for nstance, but they have shown a massive hole in it, so they would be very unlikely to win that.

My take is Messi is a free agent.
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Re: Welcome to Messi Manchester

Postby Mase » Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:46 pm

Would love to know what matches Foden was knocked off the ball. The worst thing you could say is he slightly went hiding sometimes but that’s to be expected for a kid, and that might have only been 20 minutes during a match. Cup final he was class. Against Madrid he was fine. Against Arsenal in the Prem linking with Kev he was quality. I genuinely didn’t see him get knocked off the ball once.
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Re: Welcome to Messi Manchester

Postby Mase » Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:58 pm

So Messi’s dad has released the clause that is in question and it states that the £700 million release clause won’t apply if Messi chooses to terminate his contract after the 19/20 season.

Something still stinks. If it’s there and black and white then why isn’t Messi telling them he’s off? If you’ve got a contract that states something then happy days. Why keep this circus going?!
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Re: Welcome to Messi Manchester

Postby Sideshow Bob » Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:00 pm

oh ffs, so now foden's "not ready" b/c he got knocked off the ball too much?? wow. does that mean we're also pretending dave silva didn't give possession away cheaply and repeatedly all season or have opposing midfielders run circles around him?? ycnmiu.
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Re: Welcome to Messi Manchester

Postby Outcast » Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:05 pm

City64 wrote:
johnny crossan wrote:
salford city wrote:
sheblue wrote:Foden has to be a first choice in midfield next season. There should be no debate about it.


Overall, we have lost a midfielder. Foden to replace Silva still leaves us down a Foden replacement.
If Foden goes up top in a 3 then Bernie should go into the middle with KDB and Rodri sat behind. I see us being able to swap Foden and Bernie. We should also make use of Doyle in the domestic cups and see how he gets on

Don't think Foden is ready as a first choice attacking midfielder - still gets knocked off the ball too easily. Hopefully this aspect of his game will improve as he matures - he's still under 21 but only had 9 starts last season and just 13 in total in 43 senior games over 3 seasons. Simply not experienced or good enough yet.

Agreed . Foden still has the physique of a teenager but is still growing. No hiding place in the PL ! still a fantastic prospect but nowhere near the finished article.


Yup let's bench him, one of the most talented kids in the prem. He won't develop from the bench, he needs to play regularly. I'm happy to get rid of Gundo and replace him with young talent such as Aouar?
Our midfield wasn't our biggest problem last season.
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Re: Welcome to Messi Manchester

Postby sheblue » Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:11 pm

Outcast wrote:
City64 wrote:
johnny crossan wrote:
salford city wrote:
sheblue wrote:Foden has to be a first choice in midfield next season. There should be no debate about it.


Overall, we have lost a midfielder. Foden to replace Silva still leaves us down a Foden replacement.
If Foden goes up top in a 3 then Bernie should go into the middle with KDB and Rodri sat behind. I see us being able to swap Foden and Bernie. We should also make use of Doyle in the domestic cups and see how he gets on

Don't think Foden is ready as a first choice attacking midfielder - still gets knocked off the ball too easily. Hopefully this aspect of his game will improve as he matures - he's still under 21 but only had 9 starts last season and just 13 in total in 43 senior games over 3 seasons. Simply not experienced or good enough yet.

Agreed . Foden still has the physique of a teenager but is still growing. No hiding place in the PL ! still a fantastic prospect but nowhere near the finished article.


Yup let's bench him, one of the most talented kids in the prem. He won't develop from the bench, he needs to play regularly. I'm happy to get rid of Gundo and replace him with young talent such as Aouar?
Our midfield wasn't our biggest problem last season.


He is not exactly a kid anymore, now is his time thats blatantly clear. Cant recall him getting pushed off the ball that often, did not notice that as a problem. For me 20 is old enough and he is good enough.
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