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Just a thought after watching the Weaver video in the other thread..

Why does Dickov get ALL the plaudits for ‘99? It was actually Weaver that won us the match, not Dickov, but it barely gets mentioned. Dickov actually missed his penalty! Weaver was spot on in that penalty shootout.

I remember the random guy next to my lifting me up in the air when Weaver saved the final one and I had a perfect view of him encouraging the players to catch him while he ran off. Absolutely brilliant!

Definitely deserves more recognition when it comes to our history in my opinion.

Mase wrote:Just a thought after watching the Weaver video in the other thread..

Why does Dickov get ALL the plaudits for ‘99? It was actually Weaver that won us the match, not Dickov, but it barely gets mentioned. Dickov actually missed his penalty! Weaver was spot on in that penalty shootout.

I remember the random guy next to my lifting me up in the air when Weaver saved the final one and I had a perfect view of him encouraging the players to catch him while he ran off. Absolutely brilliant!

Definitely deserves more recognition when it comes to our history in my opinion.

Know what you're saying, but at the end of the day it was the team that won it.
Dickov just gets the plaudits for THAT goal, despite not having much of a game otherwise.
Pretty much like Sergio against QPR.
Nicky Weaver himself has said on numerous occasions that he should have saved the second goal, so it's all swings and roundabouts.
At the end of the day it was a team effort, and in fairness, after Dickovs goal the most shown highlights are of Nicky saving the last pen then going on THAT run.

patrickblue wrote:

Mase wrote:Just a thought after watching the Weaver video in the other thread..

Why does Dickov get ALL the plaudits for ‘99? It was actually Weaver that won us the match, not Dickov, but it barely gets mentioned. Dickov actually missed his penalty! Weaver was spot on in that penalty shootout.

I remember the random guy next to my lifting me up in the air when Weaver saved the final one and I had a perfect view of him encouraging the players to catch him while he ran off. Absolutely brilliant!

Definitely deserves more recognition when it comes to our history in my opinion.

Know what you're saying, but at the end of the day it was the team that won it.
Dickov just gets the plaudits for THAT goal, despite not having much of a game otherwise.
Pretty much like Sergio against QPR.
Nicky Weaver himself has said on numerous occasions that he should have saved the second goal, so it's all swings and roundabouts.
At the end of the day it was a team effort, and in fairness, after Dickovs goal the most shown highlights are of Nicky saving the last pen then going on THAT run.

I get that, but the comparison to Aguero’s goal would be better if you used Dzeko’s goal as an example. Dzeko’s got us level, the same as Dickov’s.

Agree about the team effort. Just looking at it, here was our starting 11 from the day -

GK 1 Nicky Weaver
RB 2 Lee Crooks
LB 3 Richard Edghill
CB 4 Gerard Wiekens
CB 5 Andy Morrison (c)
LM 6 Kevin Horlock
CM 7 Michael Brown
CM 8 Jeff Whitley
CF 9 Paul Dickov
CF 10 Shaun Goater
RM 11 Terry Cooke

I didn’t remember that Morrison came off after 61 minutes. In my head he played the whole game. Not sure whether that’s because he obviously lifted the trophy or because he was the one that caught Weaver after his run and dragged him to the floor.

I could never understand why we didn't bring him back as third choice to cover one of the club-trained squad places, instead of Stuart Taylor or Richard Wright, who only counted as association-trained.

BlueinBosnia wrote:I could never understand why we didn't bring him back as third choice to cover one of the club-trained squad places, instead of Stuart Taylor or Richard Wright, who only counted as association-trained.

I listened to a podcast years ago with Weaver on and he said that the summer his contract expired with us he was asked by the club to not sign for anyone and just hold off and we’d offer him a new contract, but we were in the middle of a takeover so that needed to go through first. In the end he went and signed with another club, we got taken over and the rest is history. He said he regrets not waiting and signing the extension with us but he was worried he’d be left with nothing.

Had he re-signed I think he’d have been kept as 3rd choice for years instead of the players you’ve mentioned.

Mase wrote:

BlueinBosnia wrote:I could never understand why we didn't bring him back as third choice to cover one of the club-trained squad places, instead of Stuart Taylor or Richard Wright, who only counted as association-trained.

I listened to a podcast years ago with Weaver on and he said that the summer his contract expired with us he was asked by the club to not sign for anyone and just hold off and we’d offer him a new contract, but we were in the middle of a takeover so that needed to go through first. In the end he went and signed with another club, we got taken over and the rest is history. He said he regrets not waiting and signing the extension with us but he was worried he’d be left with nothing.

Had he re-signed I think he’d have been kept as 3rd choice for years instead of the players you’ve mentioned.

I'd never heard that before, and thought he'd left a few years before Shinawatra bought us. Interesting to hear that, and, yeah, I agree that he'd have probably ended up staying a while longer (although I don't know when the club-/association-trained quota came in, which would have really benefitted him, but I have a feeling it was Mancini's first full season).

UNDR THE COSH podcast with him. Well worth a listen.

I was sure ian bishop started the final but he mustnt have.

Dubciteh wrote:UNDR THE COSH podcast with him. Well worth a listen.

I was sure ian bishop started the final but he mustnt have.

Bish had been injured.

stupot wrote:

Dubciteh wrote:UNDR THE COSH podcast with him. Well worth a listen.

I was sure ian bishop started the final but he mustnt have.

Bish had been injured.

Yeah it was back in the days where players that started were numbered 1-11 and Bishop definitely wore 14

Dubciteh wrote:UNDR THE COSH podcast with him. Well worth a listen.

I was sure ian bishop started the final but he mustnt have.

Great podcast. Only gripe I have with it is they have Michael Brown on and didn’t mentioned anything about Gillingham ‘99 - probably one of the biggest games in Brown’s career.

Mase wrote:

patrickblue wrote:

Mase wrote:Just a thought after watching the Weaver video in the other thread..

Why does Dickov get ALL the plaudits for ‘99? It was actually Weaver that won us the match, not Dickov, but it barely gets mentioned. Dickov actually missed his penalty! Weaver was spot on in that penalty shootout.

I remember the random guy next to my lifting me up in the air when Weaver saved the final one and I had a perfect view of him encouraging the players to catch him while he ran off. Absolutely brilliant!

Definitely deserves more recognition when it comes to our history in my opinion.

Know what you're saying, but at the end of the day it was the team that won it.
Dickov just gets the plaudits for THAT goal, despite not having much of a game otherwise.
Pretty much like Sergio against QPR.
Nicky Weaver himself has said on numerous occasions that he should have saved the second goal, so it's all swings and roundabouts.
At the end of the day it was a team effort, and in fairness, after Dickovs goal the most shown highlights are of Nicky saving the last pen then going on THAT run.

I get that, but the comparison to Aguero’s goal would be better if you used Dzeko’s goal as an example. Dzeko’s got us level, the same as Dickov’s.

Agree about the team effort. Just looking at it, here was our starting 11 from the day -

GK 1 Nicky Weaver
RB 2 Lee Crooks
LB 3 Richard Edghill
CB 4 Gerard Wiekens
CB 5 Andy Morrison (c)
LM 6 Kevin Horlock
CM 7 Michael Brown
CM 8 Jeff Whitley
CF 9 Paul Dickov
CF 10 Shaun Goater
RM 11 Terry Cooke

I didn’t remember that Morrison came off after 61 minutes. In my head he played the whole game. Not sure whether that’s because he obviously lifted the trophy or because he was the one that caught Weaver after his run and dragged him to the floor.

Dickov's and Sergio's goal are the correct comparisons as they were the two that won us the games (Dickov's obviously was an equaliser, not a winner, but kept us in the game) In Kun's case there would have been no extra time or penalties.
Dzeko's goal at the time was a consolation, same as Horland's, but they both enabled us to win the games.
Dzeko and Dickovs goals aren't really conparable at all in their effect on the games, the only similarity being they were both equalisers,
in one game an equaliser was what we desperately needed, in the other it was a winner.

stupot wrote:

Dubciteh wrote:UNDR THE COSH podcast with him. Well worth a listen.

I was sure ian bishop started the final but he mustnt have.

Bish had been injured.

Bish definitely came on late on.

patrickblue wrote:

Mase wrote:

patrickblue wrote:

Mase wrote:Just a thought after watching the Weaver video in the other thread..

Why does Dickov get ALL the plaudits for ‘99? It was actually Weaver that won us the match, not Dickov, but it barely gets mentioned. Dickov actually missed his penalty! Weaver was spot on in that penalty shootout.

I remember the random guy next to my lifting me up in the air when Weaver saved the final one and I had a perfect view of him encouraging the players to catch him while he ran off. Absolutely brilliant!

Definitely deserves more recognition when it comes to our history in my opinion.

Know what you're saying, but at the end of the day it was the team that won it.
Dickov just gets the plaudits for THAT goal, despite not having much of a game otherwise.
Pretty much like Sergio against QPR.
Nicky Weaver himself has said on numerous occasions that he should have saved the second goal, so it's all swings and roundabouts.
At the end of the day it was a team effort, and in fairness, after Dickovs goal the most shown highlights are of Nicky saving the last pen then going on THAT run.

I get that, but the comparison to Aguero’s goal would be better if you used Dzeko’s goal as an example. Dzeko’s got us level, the same as Dickov’s.

Agree about the team effort. Just looking at it, here was our starting 11 from the day -

GK 1 Nicky Weaver
RB 2 Lee Crooks
LB 3 Richard Edghill
CB 4 Gerard Wiekens
CB 5 Andy Morrison (c)
LM 6 Kevin Horlock
CM 7 Michael Brown
CM 8 Jeff Whitley
CF 9 Paul Dickov
CF 10 Shaun Goater
RM 11 Terry Cooke

I didn’t remember that Morrison came off after 61 minutes. In my head he played the whole game. Not sure whether that’s because he obviously lifted the trophy or because he was the one that caught Weaver after his run and dragged him to the floor.

Dickov's and Sergio's goal are the correct comparisons as they were the two that won us the games (Dickov's obviously was an equaliser, not a winner, but kept us in the game) In Kun's case there would have been no extra time or penalties.
Dzeko's goal at the time was a consolation, same as Horland's, but they both enabled us to win the games.
Dzeko and Dickovs goals aren't really conparable at all in their effect on the games, the only similarity being they were both equalisers,
in one game an equaliser was what we desperately needed, in the other it was a winner.

I can’t agree. Had we lost on penalties then no one would talk about Dickov’s goal. Like you say, it was an equaliser.

patrickblue wrote:

stupot wrote:

Dubciteh wrote:UNDR THE COSH podcast with him. Well worth a listen.

I was sure ian bishop started the final but he mustnt have.

Bish had been injured.

Bish definitely came on late on.

He did, he was touch and go until the day if i remember right. Said they'd put him on 2nd half if needed which he was.

Mase wrote:

patrickblue wrote:

Mase wrote:

patrickblue wrote:

Mase wrote:Just a thought after watching the Weaver video in the other thread..

Why does Dickov get ALL the plaudits for ‘99? It was actually Weaver that won us the match, not Dickov, but it barely gets mentioned. Dickov actually missed his penalty! Weaver was spot on in that penalty shootout.

I remember the random guy next to my lifting me up in the air when Weaver saved the final one and I had a perfect view of him encouraging the players to catch him while he ran off. Absolutely brilliant!

Definitely deserves more recognition when it comes to our history in my opinion.

Know what you're saying, but at the end of the day it was the team that won it.
Dickov just gets the plaudits for THAT goal, despite not having much of a game otherwise.
Pretty much like Sergio against QPR.
Nicky Weaver himself has said on numerous occasions that he should have saved the second goal, so it's all swings and roundabouts.
At the end of the day it was a team effort, and in fairness, after Dickovs goal the most shown highlights are of Nicky saving the last pen then going on THAT run.

I get that, but the comparison to Aguero’s goal would be better if you used Dzeko’s goal as an example. Dzeko’s got us level, the same as Dickov’s.

Agree about the team effort. Just looking at it, here was our starting 11 from the day -

GK 1 Nicky Weaver
RB 2 Lee Crooks
LB 3 Richard Edghill
CB 4 Gerard Wiekens
CB 5 Andy Morrison (c)
LM 6 Kevin Horlock
CM 7 Michael Brown
CM 8 Jeff Whitley
CF 9 Paul Dickov
CF 10 Shaun Goater
RM 11 Terry Cooke

I didn’t remember that Morrison came off after 61 minutes. In my head he played the whole game. Not sure whether that’s because he obviously lifted the trophy or because he was the one that caught Weaver after his run and dragged him to the floor.

Dickov's and Sergio's goal are the correct comparisons as they were the two that won us the games (Dickov's obviously was an equaliser, not a winner, but kept us in the game) In Kun's case there would have been no extra time or penalties.
Dzeko's goal at the time was a consolation, same as Horland's, but they both enabled us to win the games.
Dzeko and Dickovs goals aren't really conparable at all in their effect on the games, the only similarity being they were both equalisers,
in one game an equaliser was what we desperately needed, in the other it was a winner.

I can’t agree. Had we lost on penalties then no one would talk about Dickov’s goal. Like you say, it was an equaliser.

If we'd lost in extra time or penalties no one would remember the game, and we certainly wouldn't be talking about it now. But we didn't.
Both Dickov's and Kun's goals were game changers, Dzeko's and Horlock's weren't

stupot wrote:

patrickblue wrote:

stupot wrote:

Dubciteh wrote:UNDR THE COSH podcast with him. Well worth a listen.

I was sure ian bishop started the final but he mustnt have.

Bish had been injured.

Bish definitely came on late on.

He did, he was touch and go until the day if i remember right. Said they'd put him on 2nd half if needed which he was.

Rings a bell alright. Bish was abs class what a joy to watch

Dubciteh wrote:

stupot wrote:

patrickblue wrote:

stupot wrote:

Dubciteh wrote:UNDR THE COSH podcast with him. Well worth a listen.

I was sure ian bishop started the final but he mustnt have.

Bish had been injured.

Bish definitely came on late on.

He did, he was touch and go until the day if i remember right. Said they'd put him on 2nd half if needed which he was.

Rings a bell alright. Bish was abs class what a joy to watch

Absolutely loved him when I was younger.

patrickblue wrote:

If we'd lost in extra time or penalties no one would remember the game, and we certainly wouldn't be talking about it now. But we didn't.
Both Dickov's and Kun's goals were game changers, Dzeko's and Horlock's weren't

I think Horlock deserves more credit. He scored 1 - arguably a game changer. Then he scored his penalty.

I think Weaver makes reference to this (or at least Dickov missing his pen) in the video.

But its the crucial moments at final moments we remember isn't it -
Aguero not Dzecko. And many of us barely remember Lescotts equaliser at Anfield on 27th November - without that point the QPR game would've been meaningless.

I can't even remember who scored our last goal before rags lost to West Brom in 2017.

This thread is making me feel old.

Blue Jam wrote:

patrickblue wrote:

If we'd lost in extra time or penalties no one would remember the game, and we certainly wouldn't be talking about it now. But we didn't.
Both Dickov's and Kun's goals were game changers, Dzeko's and Horlock's weren't

I think Horlock deserves more credit. He scored 1 - arguably a game changer. Then he scored his penalty.

I think Weaver makes reference to this (or at least Dickov missing his pen) in the video.

But its the crucial moments at final moments we remember isn't it -
Aguero not Dzecko. And many of us barely remember Lescotts equaliser at Anfield on 27th November - without that point the QPR game would've been meaningless.

I can't even remember who scored our last goal before rags lost to West Brom in 2017.

i remember the crucial moment , it was Edin's header from Merlin's Corner. Kun's was icing on the cake.