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So yesterday we played some fantastic football and absolutely smashed Palace - all without a ball playing goalkeeper.

Could Pep finally see that we DO NOT NEED a goalkeeper that is 'brilliant' at playing the ball around or being a playmaker. We can still play fantastic football without that.

One of those things I can never understand. Same as defending striker and attacking defender. Goalkeepers job is to stop goals going in. If he has good delivery then that's definitely nice bonus. However if he puts few in the standa during a game and then saves couple of goals then that's ok with me. If a defender scores a goal and then he is at fault for two going in then he is not worth much for me.

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:One of those things I can never understand. Same as defending striker and attacking defender. Goalkeepers job is to stop goals going in. If he has good delivery then that's definitely nice bonus. However if he puts few in the standa during a game and then saves couple of goals then that's ok with me. If a defender scores a goal and then he is at fault for two going in then he is not worth much for me.

Its fuckign bullshit , thats what it is.

carl_feedthegoat wrote:

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:One of those things I can never understand. Same as defending striker and attacking defender. Goalkeepers job is to stop goals going in. If he has good delivery then that's definitely nice bonus. However if he puts few in the standa during a game and then saves couple of goals then that's ok with me. If a defender scores a goal and then he is at fault for two going in then he is not worth much for me.

Its fuckign bullshit , thats what it is.

As NQDP pointed out in the match thread, if Bravo was in goal, that header saved by Willy would have gone in and it would have been 1-1.

That's what we have faced so many times this season.

Pep has made many mistakes this season but the goalkeeping issue is one he absolutely must not continue into next season.

carl_feedthegoat wrote:

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:One of those things I can never understand. Same as defending striker and attacking defender. Goalkeepers job is to stop goals going in. If he has good delivery then that's definitely nice bonus. However if he puts few in the standa during a game and then saves couple of goals then that's ok with me. If a defender scores a goal and then he is at fault for two going in then he is not worth much for me.

Its fuckign bullshit , thats what it is.

I'm 100% with Carl on this one.
The sooner it stops the better.

carl_feedthegoat wrote:

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:One of those things I can never understand. Same as defending striker and attacking defender. Goalkeepers job is to stop goals going in. If he has good delivery then that's definitely nice bonus. However if he puts few in the standa during a game and then saves couple of goals then that's ok with me. If a defender scores a goal and then he is at fault for two going in then he is not worth much for me.

Its fuckign bullshit , thats what it is.

Never quite understood the overused phrase: the poacher must create spaces for his team

Modern football is weird.

aaron bond wrote:

carl_feedthegoat wrote:

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:One of those things I can never understand. Same as defending striker and attacking defender. Goalkeepers job is to stop goals going in. If he has good delivery then that's definitely nice bonus. However if he puts few in the standa during a game and then saves couple of goals then that's ok with me. If a defender scores a goal and then he is at fault for two going in then he is not worth much for me.

Its fuckign bullshit , thats what it is.

As NQDP pointed out in the match thread, if Bravo was in goal, that header saved by Willy would have gone in and it would have been 1-1.

That's what we have faced so many times this season.

Pep has made many mistakes this season but the goalkeeping issue is one he absolutely must not continue into next season.

That header would not have gone in . It was a standard reaction to a normal header , down at hip height to his left . It was a good reaction save and that's it.

zuricity wrote:

aaron bond wrote:

carl_feedthegoat wrote:

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:One of those things I can never understand. Same as defending striker and attacking defender. Goalkeepers job is to stop goals going in. If he has good delivery then that's definitely nice bonus. However if he puts few in the standa during a game and then saves couple of goals then that's ok with me. If a defender scores a goal and then he is at fault for two going in then he is not worth much for me.

Its fuckign bullshit , thats what it is.

As NQDP pointed out in the match thread, if Bravo was in goal, that header saved by Willy would have gone in and it would have been 1-1.

That's what we have faced so many times this season.

Pep has made many mistakes this season but the goalkeeping issue is one he absolutely must not continue into next season.

That header would not have gone in . It was a standard reaction to a normal header , down at hip height to his left . It was a good reaction save and that's it.

Yes you are right it was not that special.
But that still doesn't mean Clownio would have got anywhere near it and you know it

zuricity wrote:

aaron bond wrote:

carl_feedthegoat wrote:

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:One of those things I can never understand. Same as defending striker and attacking defender. Goalkeepers job is to stop goals going in. If he has good delivery then that's definitely nice bonus. However if he puts few in the standa during a game and then saves couple of goals then that's ok with me. If a defender scores a goal and then he is at fault for two going in then he is not worth much for me.

Its fuckign bullshit , thats what it is.

As NQDP pointed out in the match thread, if Bravo was in goal, that header saved by Willy would have gone in and it would have been 1-1.

That's what we have faced so many times this season.

Pep has made many mistakes this season but the goalkeeping issue is one he absolutely must not continue into next season.

That header would not have gone in . It was a standard reaction to a normal header , down at hip height to his left . It was a good reaction save and that's it.

It may have been standard save but Bravo would have NEVER stopped that going in. He hasn't made ONE save like that all season.

Nuer learned to pass the ball under Pep. City will not change and if you want to win the CL you need the ball. Look st last weeks S/F two high press teams cut open by calm passing teams that cut through lines starting at the back with keepers that are great on the ball even if it is to slow it down, Bravo was a top keeper at Barca, not sure he will recover, City will pass out of the back get used to it.

Hazy2 wrote:Bravo was a top keeper at Barca, not sure he will recover, City will pass out of the back get used to it.

In a nutshell.

This article is a few years old but it's pertinent to this thread

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/ma ... goalkeeper

Willy passed out from the back and threw the ball well. And because he didn't fuck about with the ball at his feet we could actually counter and get in behind the slow Palace defence.

Fuck Bravo, if he never sees a City shirt again I'll be happy.

I genuinely don't see how pep can keep him as number 1. Not being funny but I cannot remember a city player, coach or anyone getting this stick since being online. Hughes copped his fair share, but even he had a decent amount advocating he be given time. Nobody wants bravo in goal, it's pretty much unanimous. He has had an entire season without offering any morcel of improvement for us to point to.

How about we sign a ball playing keeper thats also a great actual keeper.....seems a no brainer to me, willy, joe or bravo arent that person.

If pep had got Ter Stegan like he wanted this season would have been oh so different.

Hazy2 wrote:Nuer learned to pass the ball under Pep. City will not change and if you want to win the CL you need the ball. Look st last weeks S/F two high press teams cut open by calm passing teams that cut through lines starting at the back with keepers that are great on the ball even if it is to slow it down, Bravo was a top keeper at Barca, not sure he will recover, City will pass out of the back get used to it.

No he didn't !

Neuer has been passing the ball out from the back since he was a kid. that is what goalies outside of the PL are trained to do. Even I had my Junior Teams playing from the back. Most certainly it is not a Pep idea. This is nothing new at all. Keeping Possession is not a Pep concept.

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:

zuricity wrote:

aaron bond wrote:

carl_feedthegoat wrote:

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:One of those things I can never understand. Same as defending striker and attacking defender. Goalkeepers job is to stop goals going in. If he has good delivery then that's definitely nice bonus. However if he puts few in the standa during a game and then saves couple of goals then that's ok with me. If a defender scores a goal and then he is at fault for two going in then he is not worth much for me.

Its fuckign bullshit , thats what it is.

As NQDP pointed out in the match thread, if Bravo was in goal, that header saved by Willy would have gone in and it would have been 1-1.

That's what we have faced so many times this season.

Pep has made many mistakes this season but the goalkeeping issue is one he absolutely must not continue into next season.

That header would not have gone in . It was a standard reaction to a normal header , down at hip height to his left . It was a good reaction save and that's it.

It may have been standard save but Bravo would have NEVER stopped that going in. He hasn't made ONE save like that all season.

I was biting my lip but have to say it, Bravo made a not too dissimilar save in the reverse match at Selhurt Park and it was from a Benteke header from 6 yards too.

FBD: You seem to be the last feller standing for Bravo. I, more than probably anyone here, admire stubborness. However at this stage even you have GOT to admit he is beyond shocking AT LEAST for us and it would be best for all concerned if he moved on.

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:FBD: You seem to be the last feller standing for Bravo. I, more than probably anyone here, admire stubborness. However at this stage even you have GOT to admit he is beyond shocking AT LEAST for us and it would be best for all concerned if he moved on.

I'm not standing for Bravo, I have said numerous times that he's struggling and hasn't been good enough, I just feel the criticism is way ott.

The criticism is that disproportionate that no one noticed his form ( as in previous 6 games played )in terms of shot stopping prior to the derby was better than Caballero's. In fact his percentage was at 66%, the same as Hart's was last season, and Caballero's was at 55% for his previous 6 at the time.

I don't know what the best thing to do is going forward, if he can rediscover the form he displayed over the couple of years previous to signing for us then we have a top keeper that can play the way Guardiola wants but there's absolutely no guarantee that will happen. We should go into the market this summer anyway for a new keeper, which I suspect was always the plan regardless of what unfolded this season.

Anyhoo, this thread should be about the merits or otherwise of using a ball playing keeper but it's inevitably turned into ANOTHER Bravo is shit thread.

zuricity wrote:

Hazy2 wrote:Nuer learned to pass the ball under Pep. City will not change and if you want to win the CL you need the ball. Look st last weeks S/F two high press teams cut open by calm passing teams that cut through lines starting at the back with keepers that are great on the ball even if it is to slow it down, Bravo was a top keeper at Barca, not sure he will recover, City will pass out of the back get used to it.

No he didn't !

Neuer has been passing the ball out from the back since he was a kid. that is what goalies outside of the PL are trained to do. Even I had my Junior Teams playing from the back. Most certainly it is not a Pep idea. This is nothing new at all. Keeping Possession is not a Pep concept.

It's not possession its distribution mate ! Nuer boomed it 100 yards 9/10 straight down the pitch, Quality knock tbh. Pep, has not invented anything new what he has done is added variety to Bayern, Alaba now world Class he links Fullbacks and Keepers. Working the forwards for the opposition Lham, got a new lease under Pep. Juve now have Buffon linked to Danny Alves, as the massive area you have to stop or they get out from the back and at you in a flash, see last weeks Goal. Bonnuci and Chellini sitting in with cigars on. Monaco pressed Juve like they did us, lost the battle to a drilled team. City have had average footballers at the back when on the ball when pressed they are 4 touch merchants, Space gone no pass and ball given away which teams know, Arsenal should have been taken apart, we wasted the ball so many times it must have had Pep frustrated as we have great attackers with average service when it matters. Pep and Bravo are not used to that, Defenders under pressure to create space in there world is easy, For us it is panic from players and fans. Vinny, has brought a calmness that's great to see but only a temporary solution, All the Fullbacks will all be gone as we need the step up in quality and a natural outlet from keeper to wide areas 100 times faster, when we get that ! the keeper and the Centre-halfs will have the pressure released as the attackers and Midfielders are closing down wide areas. Barca scored a winner at Madrid which we have all seen a thousand times Keeper takes a risk Gives it the full back at 2-2 last minute BTW, he travels, into a space breaks the lines game is stretched he creates chaos and a winning Goal. Pep instilled that in the DNA at Barca even last minute it's on if you have the players. Back to Juve, could not and would do that until Alves arrived from Barca, now they are a threat to anyone from Buffon to a goal.