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Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:

Original Dub wrote:

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:

Original Dub wrote:Well they're pretty clear stats.

Obviously we should be concentrating on other areas.

Wait, are you saying that A) we were defending well last year so we should concentrate on other areas and/or B) Claudio Bravo is playing as good if not better that Joe Hart last season?

I'm saying it appears that little has changed in the goalkeeping department from this point last season.

Yet, watching the games tells everyone a LOT has changed. Just goes to prove once again that football isn't really numbers game.

In terms of keeping the ball out of the net fuck all has changed as the numbers show.

That is poor attempt and I know I shouldn't bite but basically what you're saying is that if we have two games where in one there's three shots from halfway line and keeper saves two but lets in one of those and another where there's three shots on goal but all are penalties and keeper saves two but lets in one then fuck all has changed as the numbers show.

How is it a poor attempt? It's a fact, we're conceding the same number of shots per game and the same number of goals per game. Just because it doesn't suit your argument doesn't mean it's a poor attempt

You can watch the stats and live in a cuckoo land if you want but I'll make my judgements actually watching football.

Moonchesteri wrote:You can watch the stats and live in a cuckoo land if you want but I'll make my judgements actually watching football.

Now that is a poor attempt.

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:How is it a poor attempt? It's a fact, we're conceding the same number of shots per game and the same number of goals per game. Just because it doesn't suit your argument doesn't mean it's a poor attempt

It's a bad argument though as Moonchesteri correctly points out. As a team we're not worse off, fine, but the stats don't say anything about the difficulty of the shots.

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:

Original Dub wrote:

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:

Original Dub wrote:Well they're pretty clear stats.

Obviously we should be concentrating on other areas.

Wait, are you saying that A) we were defending well last year so we should concentrate on other areas and/or B) Claudio Bravo is playing as good if not better that Joe Hart last season?

I'm saying it appears that little has changed in the goalkeeping department from this point last season.

Yet, watching the games tells everyone a LOT has changed. Just goes to prove once again that football isn't really numbers game.

In terms of keeping the ball out of the net fuck all has changed as the numbers show.

Quite.

Very poor today. He looks down on his confidence. I'd give Willy a bit of a run now.

This lad is shit.

Is David Silva exempt from any form of criticism on that 2nd goal. Absolutely powder puff. Why is he not throwing his body at the ball instead of his half arsed attempt at getting in the way. Bravo horribly exposed today. Prime Peter schmeichel would struggle in this team, absolutely abject.

Sister of Fu you are spot on. I said the same. Silva needed to wear that shot. By turning his back gave the Leicester player the perfect chance 'hide' it from Bravo.

Sister of fu wrote:Is David Silva exempt from any form of criticism on that 2nd goal. Absolutely powder puff. Why is he not throwing his body at the ball instead of his half arsed attempt at getting in the way. Bravo horribly exposed today. Prime Peter schmeichel would struggle in this team, absolutely abject.

Silva always does that. That's why he should only visit first third of the pitch to shake hands with captain before the game.

I'm not saying today was Bravo's fault, at least alone. But it would be nice to see him stop one or two of these attempts per game. Anyway, one of the worst parts is that defensive line (if you can call those three stooges that) really need guiding from behind right now and he isn't shouting directions either. You know it better than most here that when defenders aren't really comfortable with the system or setting they need those "eyes" behind them to tell what to do and how to move. I never see him open his mouth.

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:

Sister of fu wrote:Is David Silva exempt from any form of criticism on that 2nd goal. Absolutely powder puff. Why is he not throwing his body at the ball instead of his half arsed attempt at getting in the way. Bravo horribly exposed today. Prime Peter schmeichel would struggle in this team, absolutely abject.

Silva always does that. That's why he should only visit first third of the pitch to shake hands with captain before the game.

I'm not saying today was Bravo's fault, at least alone. But it would be nice to see him stop one or two of these attempts per game. Anyway, one of the worst parts is that defensive line (if you can call those three stooges that) really need guiding from behind right now and he isn't shouting directions either. You know it better than most here that when defenders aren't really comfortable with the system or setting they need those "eyes" behind them to tell what to do and how to move. I never see him open his mouth.

What I don't see from Bravo is him going mental at those in front of him. He should have been up and in Silva's face giving him shit. Saying that though you don't see this from any player on our team. All too nice and looking like they don't give two fucks. We are rudderless and don't have one leader on the pitch. That IMO really needs addressing. We really need to find a leader as well as a 100 other things.

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:I've just been looking through the numbers in terms of shots on target for and against between this season and last.

Something that struck me was that last season we conceded 3.2 shots on target per game in the league and conceded 1.07 goals per game.

Since Bravo has come in we have conceded 3.2 shots on target per game in the league and conceded 1.07 goals per game.

In the last two PL games Bravo has faced 10 shots on target, 7 goals conceded.

I make that 5 and 3.50.

Justified logic wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:I've just been looking through the numbers in terms of shots on target for and against between this season and last.

Something that struck me was that last season we conceded 3.2 shots on target per game in the league and conceded 1.07 goals per game.

Since Bravo has come in we have conceded 3.2 shots on target per game in the league and conceded 1.07 goals per game.

In the last two PL games Bravo has faced 10 shots on target, 7 goals conceded.

I make that 5 and 3.50.

I'm sure I could pick out two games last season and show you similar stats about Hart.

One game that sticks out in my mind for example is Spurs at home, 3 shots on target 2 goals, no more difficult to save than what Bravo has let past him.

My point is that pining for Hart is silly, he was exposed playing behind a team playing attacking football with a ridiculously high line.

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

Justified logic wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:I've just been looking through the numbers in terms of shots on target for and against between this season and last.

Something that struck me was that last season we conceded 3.2 shots on target per game in the league and conceded 1.07 goals per game.

Since Bravo has come in we have conceded 3.2 shots on target per game in the league and conceded 1.07 goals per game.

In the last two PL games Bravo has faced 10 shots on target, 7 goals conceded.

I make that 5 and 3.50.

I'm sure I could pick out two games last season and show you similar stats about Hart.

One game that sticks out in my mind for example is Spurs at home, 3 shots on target 2 goals, no more difficult to save than what Bravo has let past him.

My point is that pining for Hart is silly, he was exposed playing behind a team playing attacking football with a ridiculously high line.

At least Hart made the occasional save. Can't remember one game changing save from bravo. Lots of other game changing memories from him though.

lovecity8utd wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

Justified logic wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:I've just been looking through the numbers in terms of shots on target for and against between this season and last.

Something that struck me was that last season we conceded 3.2 shots on target per game in the league and conceded 1.07 goals per game.

Since Bravo has come in we have conceded 3.2 shots on target per game in the league and conceded 1.07 goals per game.

In the last two PL games Bravo has faced 10 shots on target, 7 goals conceded.

I make that 5 and 3.50.

I'm sure I could pick out two games last season and show you similar stats about Hart.

One game that sticks out in my mind for example is Spurs at home, 3 shots on target 2 goals, no more difficult to save than what Bravo has let past him.

My point is that pining for Hart is silly, he was exposed playing behind a team playing attacking football with a ridiculously high line.

At least Hart made the occasional save. Can't remember one game changing save from bravo. Lots of other game changing memories from him though.

Don't disagree on the fact that he has yet to make a game changing save however I do disagree that there have been lots of other game changing memories from him, there has been one, the Barca game.

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

lovecity8utd wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

Justified logic wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:I've just been looking through the numbers in terms of shots on target for and against between this season and last.

Something that struck me was that last season we conceded 3.2 shots on target per game in the league and conceded 1.07 goals per game.

Since Bravo has come in we have conceded 3.2 shots on target per game in the league and conceded 1.07 goals per game.

In the last two PL games Bravo has faced 10 shots on target, 7 goals conceded.

I make that 5 and 3.50.

I'm sure I could pick out two games last season and show you similar stats about Hart.

One game that sticks out in my mind for example is Spurs at home, 3 shots on target 2 goals, no more difficult to save than what Bravo has let past him.

My point is that pining for Hart is silly, he was exposed playing behind a team playing attacking football with a ridiculously high line.

At least Hart made the occasional save. Can't remember one game changing save from bravo. Lots of other game changing memories from him though.

Don't disagree on the fact that he has yet to make a game changing save however I do disagree that there have been lots of other game changing memories from him, there has been one, the Barca game.

Generally flapping about, not looking like a goalie and getting nowhere near making decent saves are my game changing memories of bravo.

Forgetting what Bravo has achieved elsewhere in his career - for us , hes been utter fuckign wank IMO.Cannot save anything , in fact , there have been goals that he has just not even attempted to get hold of.

Him ,kolorov and Ottemendi and Clichy have been utter wank this season - not one of them should be starting for us in a game - Pep seems to be more stubborn than Pellegrini (Played YAYA all the fuckign time regardless of performance) - that comment he made about Kolorov being the best fuckign something or other in the world ?remember that comment ? that's probably why he fuckign plays him all the time as hed look a tit if he didn't.

Pep is NOT doing his job properly and if he is the so called messiah, then he should start to show us what the fuckign hype was all about , as until now , its dire.

carl_feedthegoat wrote:Forgetting what Bravo has achieved elsewhere in his career - for us , hes been utter fuckign wank IMO.Cannot save anything , in fact , there have been goals that he has just not even attempted to get hold of.

Him ,kolorov and Ottemendi and Clichy have been utter wank this season - not one of them should be starting for us in a game - Pep seems to be more stubborn than Pellegrini (Played YAYA all the fuckign time regardless of performance) - that comment he made about Kolorov being the best fuckign something or other in the world ?remember that comment ? that's probably why he fuckign plays him all the time as hed look a tit if he didn't.

Pep is NOT doing his job properly and if he is the so called messiah, then he should start to show us what the fuckign hype was all about , as until now , its dire.

How has Kolarov been 'utter wanker this season' when he was outstanding for our first 5 matches. He's gone to shit since he team has gone to shit.

Mase wrote:

carl_feedthegoat wrote:Forgetting what Bravo has achieved elsewhere in his career - for us , hes been utter fuckign wank IMO.Cannot save anything , in fact , there have been goals that he has just not even attempted to get hold of.

Him ,kolorov and Ottemendi and Clichy have been utter wank this season - not one of them should be starting for us in a game - Pep seems to be more stubborn than Pellegrini (Played YAYA all the fuckign time regardless of performance) - that comment he made about Kolorov being the best fuckign something or other in the world ?remember that comment ? that's probably why he fuckign plays him all the time as hed look a tit if he didn't.

Pep is NOT doing his job properly and if he is the so called messiah, then he should start to show us what the fuckign hype was all about , as until now , its dire.

How has Kolarov been 'utter wanker this season' when he was outstanding for our first 5 matches. He's gone to shit since he team has gone to shit.

Overall hes fucking wank mase , and you know it.......

Gets skinned time and time again.

Wank.