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phips wrote:

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:

phips wrote:has to go in the summer. Pep won't do it but he has to. he is absolutely shit as a goalkeeper.
yes he may be good with the ball at his feet but your #1 job as a goalkeeper is to stop shots and he simply cannot do that.

Summer? Jeesus christ, this guy is so terrible that he needs to go on monday.

i figured that was too unbelievable. heck, summer is too though. Pep is gonna ride with this guy whether we like it or not.
gonna have to get used to conceding lots of goals.

But this guy is making so basic errors. I'm actually more lenient than most when it comes to goalkeeper dropping odd blunder. Happens to everyone. However you look at the second AND third goal. For fucks sake U7 kids are thought to come forward in one-on -ones and make yourself as big as possible and make the goal as small as possible. Will he save it? Yes he could've conceded two one-on-ones and I would have no complaints. But this guy is standing at the FUCKING goal line (in third actually takinga step BACK). You'd get bollocking for that AT ANY LEVEL OF FOOTBALL AT ANY AGE, never mind fucking 33 year old Premier League goalkeeper.

Fucking hell, we could put David Silva in goal and he'd do better and he is even better passer than this joker.

Someone tell him he is allowed to dive.

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:

phips wrote:

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:

phips wrote:has to go in the summer. Pep won't do it but he has to. he is absolutely shit as a goalkeeper.
yes he may be good with the ball at his feet but your #1 job as a goalkeeper is to stop shots and he simply cannot do that.

Summer? Jeesus christ, this guy is so terrible that he needs to go on monday.

i figured that was too unbelievable. heck, summer is too though. Pep is gonna ride with this guy whether we like it or not.
gonna have to get used to conceding lots of goals.

But this guy is making so basic errors. I'm actually more lenient than most when it comes to goalkeeper dropping odd blunder. Happens to everyone. However you look at the second AND third goal. For fucks sake U7 kids are thought to come forward in one-on -ones and make yourself as big as possible and make the goal as small as possible. Will he save it? Yes he could've conceded two one-on-ones and I would have no complaints. But this guy is standing at the FUCKING goal line (in third actually takinga step BACK).You'd get bollocking for that AT ANY LEVEL OF FOOTBALL AT ANY AGE, never mind fucking 33 year old Premier League goalkeeper.

Fucking hell, we could put David Silva in goal and he'd do better and he is even better passer than this joker.

Noticed that too. So insecure.

Cocacolajojo wrote:

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:

Cocacolajojo wrote:

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:
That's another issue in itself CCJJ.

I don't think it necessarily is. You usually score less goals if you try to keep a tight defence and you usually let in more goals if you play attacking football, like Pellegrini for example. Pep's drilling us into a tight defensive unit and has sacrificed attacking threat to accomplish it. Problem is we're still leaking more than we should.

That, in a nutshell, is the exact issue.

The lack of firepower at our disposal to call on, is almost an insane dereliction of common sense.

However, it still doesn't excuse the lack of basic competence currently being exhibited by our 'back line'.

I agree, I was actually saying the exact opposite but must've expressed myself poorly. Pep's banking on a tight defence, which I can't blame him for seeing how poor it was during Pellegrini's last season, but it's letting us down. We need to attack more.

I don't think so chum.

We're all a little bit 'raw' at the moment so I probably wasn't thinking clearly enough about what what you were saying.

I have stood by Bravo but after today I can't. It's basic to narrow down angles. He literally just stood still. I think on the William goal he takes a bit of a heavy touch and Bravo should have been on him. Sadly he just stood there like a statue.

I have wanted to give bravo benefit of doubt and time to adjust and haven't thought he was doing to bad but fuck me how shite was he on that second goal. Dive you idiot you are allowed try and stop it. Maybe I was just slower to pick up on the problem than others but that was embarrassing from any keeper. Defence in front of him was shit aswell but still try and save it

Sister of fu wrote:I have stood by Bravo but after today I can't. It's basic to narrow down angles. He literally just stood still. I think on the William goal he takes a bit of a heavy touch and Bravo should have been on him. Sadly he just stood there like a statue.

Hazard had a heavy touch as well. He opened the target twice and hot nowhere near the ball both times. I miss Joe

Sister of fu wrote:I have stood by Bravo but after today I can't. It's basic to narrow down angles. He literally just stood still. I think on the William goal he takes a bit of a heavy touch and Bravo should have been on him. Sadly he just stood there like a statue.

For all of Joe'a faults he was out to close attackers down in a flash.

Mase wrote:

Sister of fu wrote:I have stood by Bravo but after today I can't. It's basic to narrow down angles. He literally just stood still. I think on the William goal he takes a bit of a heavy touch and Bravo should have been on him. Sadly he just stood there like a statue.

For all of Joe'a faults he was out to close attackers down in a flash.

Hart is very good in these types of situations.

Mase wrote:

Sister of fu wrote:I have stood by Bravo but after today I can't. It's basic to narrow down angles. He literally just stood still. I think on the William goal he takes a bit of a heavy touch and Bravo should have been on him. Sadly he just stood there like a statue.

For all of Joe'a faults he was out to close attackers down in a flash.

We don't know what went on behind the scenes with regard to Yaya, but he's now an active member of the squad again.

I just wonder if it's in Pep's nature to now acknowledge that Joe might just do a better job than Bravo and effect a 'U' turn and bring him back into the fold ??

Just musing.

Mase wrote:

Sister of fu wrote:I have stood by Bravo but after today I can't. It's basic to narrow down angles. He literally just stood still. I think on the William goal he takes a bit of a heavy touch and Bravo should have been on him. Sadly he just stood there like a statue.

For all of Joe'a faults he was out to close attackers down in a flash.

What were "all" his faults? He was inconsistent with his delivery. Other than that? World class shot stopper, great leader and one of the best in one-on-ones. We were spoiled and failed to realise that we had one of the best goalkeepers in the world in our hands.

Sister of fu wrote:I have stood by Bravo but after today I can't. It's basic to narrow down angles. He literally just stood still. I think on the William goal he takes a bit of a heavy touch and Bravo should have been on him. Sadly he just stood there like a statue.

He just doesn't make saves. Pep's dropped a bollock with this one - hope he's man enough to admit it. Bring back joe. He might not be able to pass a ball but I reckon we would have at least got a draw today with him

Bravo plus our shambles of a defence will cost us titles. Clichy, kolarov, otamendi and bravo need to go

freshie wrote:

Sister of fu wrote:I have stood by Bravo but after today I can't. It's basic to narrow down angles. He literally just stood still. I think on the William goal he takes a bit of a heavy touch and Bravo should have been on him. Sadly he just stood there like a statue.

He just doesn't make saves. Pep's dropped a bollock with this one - hope he's man enough to admit it. Bring back joe. He might not be able to pass a ball but I reckon we would have at least got a draw today with him

Bravo plus our shambles of a defence will cost us titles. Clichy, kolarov, otamendi and bravo need to go

For as bad as Bravo was Kolo and Otto were equally as bad. Otto can not stop diving in and that's suicide if you do it on the half way line against players with pace and your CB partner looking like someone who is running in treacle.

We need to find a CB that has a brain, positional sense and a bit of pace, pretty much Kompany 4 seasons ago....

i'd love to know herb's thoughts on this matter

I agree SoF Kolarov and Ottamendi were atrocious. I'd like us to sign Van Dijk

Ffs Kolarov didn't put a foot wrong today!! He was left 1v1 with Hazard for the last goal.

Bravo wasn't totally to blame for today's goals, the defence, particularly Ottamendi and Kolarov have to share the blame.

However. I'm failing to see what Bravo brings with his feet. Yes, he can pass it to the nearest centre half, but so could Hart, just that he had Lescott or Mangala to pass to. But push up so he has to go long and I reckon he's no better than Hart - it's just lobs up to whoever.

And there's his keeping. How many saves has he made this season? Not catching pass backs, saves where you don't expect him to do it. I can almost cope with the issues with high balls that he may not be used to, but today it was two basic shots followed by him falling over to allow Hazard to pick his spot.

At the moment, I'd swap him for pretty much any other first choice keeper in the league. If he was 21, you could hope he would improve but he's in the twilight of his career already.

Blue Since 76 wrote:Bravo wasn't totally to blame for today's goals, the defence, particularly Ottamendi and Kolarov have to share the blame.

Ffs what did Kola do wrong?!

Pep fucked up big tume with this guy. He is useless.

Mase wrote:Ffs Kolarov didn't put a foot wrong today!! He was left 1v1 with Hazard for the last goal.

And let him go past him

So he put in a 10/10 performance? Come on! He's not good enough as are most of his defensive colleagues