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Re: England manager brainfart discussion

Postby CTID Hants » Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:52 pm

Spurge wrote:
Bianchi on Ice wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Bianchi on Ice wrote:This glass jawed team will not do much more than get out of the group.


Good , then the boring fuckign lump of owl shit will be sacked.


Question is Carl, who would england hire next? At the moment i cant think of anyone


Pellegrini ;-)


The count is rumoured to be AC Milan bound....
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Re: England manager brainfart discussion

Postby iwasthere2012 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:55 pm

Bianchi on Ice wrote:Thinking about the game and the milner substitution. Thats where woy "earns" his money...but his mindset is one goal is enough...he keeps a striker on whose having an inneffective game when hes got a nippy replacement waiting on the bench. He brings a player on who is one of those jack of all trades england managers love so much...but at this level they rarely make a mark. When the opposition is that poor woy, you punish them further...or at least make it harder for them.This glass jawed team will not do much more than get out of the group.

I actually think you have a the makings of a decent team in there somewhere.
I don't think the squad is nearly as bad as some of you think. But I do agree about your history of Management style.
I don't know who you could nominate to do the job, but you need the likes of a Clough who would have just done it his way.
But the FA wouldn't have him would they.
Half of the trouble with being English manager is the profile of the job is so high that you need a manager that is beyond that and bigger in profile and personality.
His own man. Someone in total control.
To put your troubles in perspective, if you had Pep as your manager you would be European Champs and challenge for the World Cup. If Ireland had him as manager we would have a decent chance of getting out of the group. No difference really.
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Re: England manager brainfart discussion

Postby Dameerto » Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:51 pm

The way things are going we'll end up being banned from the 2018 world cup anyway for being the victims of organised violence - so small mercies and all that.
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Re: England manager brainfart discussion

Postby PrezIke » Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:58 pm

How much Sterling is being blamed is out of whack with reality. He was one of the best performers in the first half, so how did he have a bad game exactly?

Rooney didn't do so well with some chances. Nor did Kane nor Lallana, nor Alli and Wilshere was poor, leading to the equaliser when he came on.
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Re: England manager brainfart discussion

Postby nottsblue » Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:05 pm

PrezIke wrote:How much Sterling is being blamed is out of whack with reality. He was one of the best performers in the first half, so how did he have a bad game exactly?

Rooney didn't do so well with some chances. Nor did Kane nor Lallana, nor Alli and Wilshere was poor, leading to the equaliser when he came on.

Plays for City. Of course he wil get more blame than a rag or dipper or gooner or spud. Remember who the media fawn over
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Re: England manager brainfart discussion

Postby Mase » Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:17 pm

nottsblue wrote:
PrezIke wrote:How much Sterling is being blamed is out of whack with reality. He was one of the best performers in the first half, so how did he have a bad game exactly?

Rooney didn't do so well with some chances. Nor did Kane nor Lallana, nor Alli and Wilshere was poor, leading to the equaliser when he came on.

Plays for City. Of course he wil get more blame than a rag or dipper or gooner or spud. Remember who the media fawn over


I think if you look at both sides of the pitch - Sterling and Lallana - you'll see two players that both moved clubs to better themselves and win trophies.

One handed in a transfer request to force the move, whilst the other kept quiet and tried to carry on playing whilst getting all kinds of abuse from his own supporters.

The media beat one with made up stories, dragged every former Liverpool player out the woodwork to make a comment on the situation when it didn't involve them at all - whilst the other one got treated slightly more fairly.

The difference? Still to this day I believe they were treated differently because one is black and the other white.
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Re: England manager brainfart discussion

Postby iwasthere2012 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:49 pm

Mase wrote:
nottsblue wrote:
PrezIke wrote:How much Sterling is being blamed is out of whack with reality. He was one of the best performers in the first half, so how did he have a bad game exactly?

Rooney didn't do so well with some chances. Nor did Kane nor Lallana, nor Alli and Wilshere was poor, leading to the equaliser when he came on.

Plays for City. Of course he wil get more blame than a rag or dipper or gooner or spud. Remember who the media fawn over


I think if you look at both sides of the pitch - Sterling and Lallana - you'll see two players that both moved clubs to better themselves and win trophies.

One handed in a transfer request to force the move, whilst the other kept quiet and tried to carry on playing whilst getting all kinds of abuse from his own supporters.

The media beat one with made up stories, dragged every former Liverpool player out the woodwork to make a comment on the situation when it didn't involve them at all - whilst the other one got treated slightly more fairly.

The difference? Still to this day I believe they were treated differently because one is black and the other white.

Really?
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Re: England manager brainfart discussion

Postby Slim » Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:52 pm

iwasthere2012 wrote:
Mase wrote:
nottsblue wrote:
PrezIke wrote:How much Sterling is being blamed is out of whack with reality. He was one of the best performers in the first half, so how did he have a bad game exactly?

Rooney didn't do so well with some chances. Nor did Kane nor Lallana, nor Alli and Wilshere was poor, leading to the equaliser when he came on.

Plays for City. Of course he wil get more blame than a rag or dipper or gooner or spud. Remember who the media fawn over


I think if you look at both sides of the pitch - Sterling and Lallana - you'll see two players that both moved clubs to better themselves and win trophies.

One handed in a transfer request to force the move, whilst the other kept quiet and tried to carry on playing whilst getting all kinds of abuse from his own supporters.

The media beat one with made up stories, dragged every former Liverpool player out the woodwork to make a comment on the situation when it didn't involve them at all - whilst the other one got treated slightly more fairly.

The difference? Still to this day I believe they were treated differently because one is black and the other white.

Really?


That bullshit, they got treated differently because one went to 'istory rich Candlepool, and the other went to City.
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Re: England manager brainfart discussion

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:55 pm

Slim wrote:
iwasthere2012 wrote:
Mase wrote:
nottsblue wrote:
PrezIke wrote:How much Sterling is being blamed is out of whack with reality. He was one of the best performers in the first half, so how did he have a bad game exactly?

Rooney didn't do so well with some chances. Nor did Kane nor Lallana, nor Alli and Wilshere was poor, leading to the equaliser when he came on.

Plays for City. Of course he wil get more blame than a rag or dipper or gooner or spud. Remember who the media fawn over


I think if you look at both sides of the pitch - Sterling and Lallana - you'll see two players that both moved clubs to better themselves and win trophies.

One handed in a transfer request to force the move, whilst the other kept quiet and tried to carry on playing whilst getting all kinds of abuse from his own supporters.

The media beat one with made up stories, dragged every former Liverpool player out the woodwork to make a comment on the situation when it didn't involve them at all - whilst the other one got treated slightly more fairly.

The difference? Still to this day I believe they were treated differently because one is black and the other white.

Really?


That bullshit, they got treated differently because one went to 'istory rich Candlepool, and the other went to City.


True, as far as the media are concerned but in regards what Mase has said there is definitely a racist element when it comes to some of the shit he gets on social media.
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Re: England manager brainfart discussion

Postby Mase » Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:15 pm

If it was because one went to Liverpool and one to City what's the reasoning behind Stones not getting any shit when he handed in a transfer request last summer? Swept firmly under the carpet. Yet what happened when Lescott did it at the same club......
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Re: England manager brainfart discussion

Postby Im_Spartacus » Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:29 pm

Mase wrote:If it was because one went to Liverpool and one to City what's the reasoning behind Stones not getting any shit when he handed in a transfer request last summer? Swept firmly under the carpet. Yet what happened when Lescott did it at the same club......


Do you think a combination of Sterling's blingy apparel and high profile would be cause for people generally to easily jump to the assumption that he is a flash money grabbing cunt? My personal opinion is that higher profile black footballers whether it be Defoe, Ferdinand, Sterling etc, even Lescott, seem to display far more of the billy big time bling that can instantly make them dislikeable to the man in street.

Therefore I would agree with you that the public opinion of sterling is likely to stem from his race, albeit not because he is black per se, but because of the fashion choices he makes in his personal life as a black man which the average Joe sees as rubbing footballers wealth in their face.

I'm totally prepared to be corrected (and no doubt called a racist), I'm just offering up an opinion of why your assertion may be true.
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Re: England manager brainfart discussion

Postby Mase » Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:40 pm

Im_Spartacus wrote:
Mase wrote:If it was because one went to Liverpool and one to City what's the reasoning behind Stones not getting any shit when he handed in a transfer request last summer? Swept firmly under the carpet. Yet what happened when Lescott did it at the same club......


Do you think a combination of Sterling's blingy apparel and high profile would be cause for people generally to easily jump to the assumption that he is a flash money grabbing cunt? My personal opinion is that higher profile black footballers whether it be Defoe, Ferdinand, Sterling etc, even Lescott, seem to display far more of the billy big time bling that can instantly make them dislikeable to the man in street.

Therefore I would agree with you that the public opinion of sterling is likely to stem from his race, albeit not because he is black per se, but because of the fashion choices he makes in his personal life as a black man which the average Joe sees as rubbing footballers wealth in their face.

I'm totally prepared to be corrected (and no doubt called a racist), I'm just offering up an opinion of why your assertion may be true.


That could be it to be fair mate. Balo would be the main example of driving around in flash cars and being covered in gold chains.

Milner ran his contract down and moved to Liverpool on a free. The media were very positive about the move. Sagna did the same at Arsenal and it was written that he'd be on '£x amount per week' coming here.

It's just my opinion but there's some underlying race issue there.
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Re: England manager brainfart discussion

Postby Slim » Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:44 pm

Mase wrote:If it was because one went to Liverpool and one to City what's the reasoning behind Stones not getting any shit when he handed in a transfer request last summer? Swept firmly under the carpet. Yet what happened when Lescott did it at the same club......


Because Stones was headed to Chelsea and Lescott to City.

It's City as the only factor you need here, we are magnet for shit spewing journalism.
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Re: England manager brainfart discussion

Postby gillie » Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:14 pm

Slim wrote:
Mase wrote:If it was because one went to Liverpool and one to City what's the reasoning behind Stones not getting any shit when he handed in a transfer request last summer? Swept firmly under the carpet. Yet what happened when Lescott did it at the same club......


Because Stones was headed to Chelsea and Lescott to City.

It's City as the only factor you need here, we are magnet for shit spewing journalism.

Imo that stem's from racism as well and even more so with the current terror threat. But it could just be downright jealousy of our club winning the lottery when we were bought by the Sheikh. Let's face it the likes of Liverpool,Arsenal,Chelsea and the rags are owned by either Yanks or Russians in Aresenal's case by both,We of course are owned by an Arab and some Chinese businessmen.
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Re: England manager brainfart discussion

Postby Dubciteh » Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:17 pm

gillie wrote:
Slim wrote:
Mase wrote:If it was because one went to Liverpool and one to City what's the reasoning behind Stones not getting any shit when he handed in a transfer request last summer? Swept firmly under the carpet. Yet what happened when Lescott did it at the same club......


Because Stones was headed to Chelsea and Lescott to City.

It's City as the only factor you need here, we are magnet for shit spewing journalism.

Imo that stem's from racism as well and even more so with the current terror threat. But it could just be downright jealousy of our club winning the lottery when we were bought by the Sheikh. Let's face it the likes of Liverpool,Arsenal,Chelsea and the rags are owned by either Yanks or Russians in Aresenal's case by both,We of course are owned by an Arab and some Chinese businessmen.


Jealousy, not racism. It will continue too....
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Re: England manager brainfart discussion

Postby Mase » Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:21 pm

Dubciteh wrote:
gillie wrote:
Slim wrote:
Mase wrote:If it was because one went to Liverpool and one to City what's the reasoning behind Stones not getting any shit when he handed in a transfer request last summer? Swept firmly under the carpet. Yet what happened when Lescott did it at the same club......


Because Stones was headed to Chelsea and Lescott to City.

It's City as the only factor you need here, we are magnet for shit spewing journalism.

Imo that stem's from racism as well and even more so with the current terror threat. But it could just be downright jealousy of our club winning the lottery when we were bought by the Sheikh. Let's face it the likes of Liverpool,Arsenal,Chelsea and the rags are owned by either Yanks or Russians in Aresenal's case by both,We of course are owned by an Arab and some Chinese businessmen.


Jealousy, not racism. It will continue too....


Not sure. I've heard the term 'rag head money' used by Liverpool and United fans when referring to our owners spending. I'd say that's pretty racist.
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Re: England manager brainfart discussion

Postby PrezIke » Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:24 pm

Mase wrote:
nottsblue wrote:
PrezIke wrote:How much Sterling is being blamed is out of whack with reality. He was one of the best performers in the first half, so how did he have a bad game exactly?

Rooney didn't do so well with some chances. Nor did Kane nor Lallana, nor Alli and Wilshere was poor, leading to the equaliser when he came on.

Plays for City. Of course he wil get more blame than a rag or dipper or gooner or spud. Remember who the media fawn over


I think if you look at both sides of the pitch - Sterling and Lallana - you'll see two players that both moved clubs to better themselves and win trophies.

One handed in a transfer request to force the move, whilst the other kept quiet and tried to carry on playing whilst getting all kinds of abuse from his own supporters.

The media beat one with made up stories, dragged every former Liverpool player out the woodwork to make a comment on the situation when it didn't involve them at all - whilst the other one got treated slightly more fairly.

The difference? Still to this day I believe they were treated differently because one is black and the other white.


This all day from my POV as well, combined with all of the other factors...like going to City, and other reasons that affects media reaction.
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Re: England manager brainfart discussion

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:50 pm

Spartacus is spot on IMO.
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Re: England manager brainfart discussion

Postby Slim » Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:45 pm

You are forgetting that Milner was shat on by Villa fans as a money grabbing cunt for hopping ship. Barry was considered the original snake for rejecting Liverpool a year prior and then coming to City.
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Re: England manager brainfart discussion

Postby Im_Spartacus » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:15 pm

Slim wrote:You are forgetting that Milner was shat on by Villa fans as a money grabbing cunt for hopping ship. Barry was considered the original snake for rejecting Liverpool a year prior and then coming to City.


In both cases they were disliked by their clubs own fans, but the moves barely raised a ripple outside of that from what I remember, though Barry's motives were questioned more widely than Milner's as it seemed an odd move for an established England international joining our 'project' in the early stages.
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