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Re: Ter Stegen

PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:33 am
by Foreverinbluedreams
DoomMerchant wrote:Watch the first 10 mins of the weekend match back and you'll know why Pep might be interested in the German kid.

We are so fucking good in so many parts of the pitch but taking the ball from goalie to whomever is horrifically shit and Willy was just the same as Joe on Saturday.

Imagine this team with someone who can build from the back and actually start some controlled possession instead of giving the ball away 50% of the time?

Cheers


Imagine this team working hard to make themselves available for the ball, imagine retaining possession from throw ins, being first to a corner, providing runs beyond the defence, harrying the opposition in possession.

It ain't always the keeper, the thrower or the set piece taker that's to blame, quite often it's the lack of options because of laziness from team mates that is.

Re: Ter Stegen

PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:54 am
by Cocacolajojo
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:Watch the first 10 mins of the weekend match back and you'll know why Pep might be interested in the German kid.

We are so fucking good in so many parts of the pitch but taking the ball from goalie to whomever is horrifically shit and Willy was just the same as Joe on Saturday.

Imagine this team with someone who can build from the back and actually start some controlled possession instead of giving the ball away 50% of the time?

Cheers


Imagine this team working hard to make themselves available for the ball, imagine retaining possession from throw ins, being first to a corner, providing runs beyond the defence, harrying the opposition in possession.

It ain't always the keeper, the thrower or the set piece taker that's to blame, quite often it's the lack of options because of laziness from team mates that is.


Amen

Re: Ter Stegen

PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:46 am
by phips
opinions after today's match?
didn't seem like he had much to do, especially after Atletico went down to 10 men

Re: Ter Stegen

PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:30 am
by zuricity
phips wrote:opinions after today's match?
didn't seem like he had much to do, especially after Atletico went down to 10 men


You should go on Mastermind.

Re: Ter Stegen

PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:01 pm
by PrezIke
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/tra ... _HP_RI_0_1

Article arguing why Ter Stegen may be signed and Hart possibly shown the door.

Frans Hoek, perhaps the global authority on goalkeepers...]hypothesises that there are two types of keeper: Reaction (R-Type) and Anticipation (A-Type). He summarised each for Soccer Coaching International: “The R-Type, also known as a line goalie, is an absolute winner. He will go to any extreme in order to win, is physically strong and has a high muscle tone.

“This type might not be overly athletic, but is very strong and has quick reactions… he is more like a block of concrete with a lot of muscle strength and great charisma.”

He did not intend to do so, but Hoek, who left City’s academy in awe after a seminar in 2013, has perfectly described Hart. The A-type goalkeeper is described thus: “Usually winners, but in a lesse form than R-Type. Generally speaking they are more athletic, but with less muscle tone. They are also less charismatic.

“From an organisational perspective they are very good at reading the game. They have vision, which makes them more capable of coaching before the situation.” It is the profile that best fits Guardiola’s most notable shot-stoppers,
even if Neuer’s charisma and physique a more aligned to R-Types.

Hoek continued: “A-Type keepers could be easily used as field players, as they are able to function as the 11th player. This means they love a backpass.”


The coach once described his Barcelona as “Valdes y 10 más” – Victor Valdes and 10 others...He could essentially play as a third centre-back, the sweeper that enabled Barcelona’s defence to play high up the pitch, minimising space for the opposition and ensuring the midfield and forwards could press more effectively.

Manuel Neuer’s role at Bayern Munich is clearly similar. Although the two are excellent with the ball at their feet, it is a misconception that Guardiola’s goalkeepers must merely be good in possession. They are a crucial member of the team. If they are not tactically perfect, if they cannot play high up the pitch, the whole system breaks down.

Re: Ter Stegen

PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:43 pm
by Dameerto
Hart reacts well but can make shit decisions - it's pretty much what we already knew isn't it? I disagree with his opinion that mentality equates to physical attributes though. There's no logic in it whatsoever.

Re: Ter Stegen

PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:49 am
by Cocacolajojo
Dameerto wrote:Hart reacts well but can make shit decisions - it's pretty much what we already knew isn't it? I disagree with his opinion that mentality equates to physical attributes though. There's no logic in it whatsoever.


Typical old school scouts to think so IMO. And to think they make a living of coming out with those absurd statements.

Re: Ter Stegen

PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 7:34 pm
by bigblue
PrezIke wrote:http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/transfer-zone/2016/04/06/22037742/why-man-citys-ter-stegen-interest-makes-complete-sense?ICID=HP_HN_HP_RI_0_1

Article arguing why Ter Stegen may be signed and Hart possibly shown the door.

Frans Hoek, perhaps the global authority on goalkeepers...]hypothesises that there are two types of keeper: Reaction (R-Type) and Anticipation (A-Type). He summarised each for Soccer Coaching International: “The R-Type, also known as a line goalie, is an absolute winner. He will go to any extreme in order to win, is physically strong and has a high muscle tone.

“This type might not be overly athletic, but is very strong and has quick reactions… he is more like a block of concrete with a lot of muscle strength and great charisma.”

He did not intend to do so, but Hoek, who left City’s academy in awe after a seminar in 2013, has perfectly described Hart. The A-type goalkeeper is described thus: “Usually winners, but in a lesse form than R-Type. Generally speaking they are more athletic, but with less muscle tone. They are also less charismatic.

“From an organisational perspective they are very good at reading the game. They have vision, which makes them more capable of coaching before the situation.” It is the profile that best fits Guardiola’s most notable shot-stoppers,
even if Neuer’s charisma and physique a more aligned to R-Types.

Hoek continued: “A-Type keepers could be easily used as field players, as they are able to function as the 11th player. This means they love a backpass.”


The coach once described his Barcelona as “Valdes y 10 más” – Victor Valdes and 10 others...He could essentially play as a third centre-back, the sweeper that enabled Barcelona’s defence to play high up the pitch, minimising space for the opposition and ensuring the midfield and forwards could press more effectively.

Manuel Neuer’s role at Bayern Munich is clearly similar. Although the two are excellent with the ball at their feet, it is a misconception that Guardiola’s goalkeepers must merely be good in possession. They are a crucial member of the team. If they are not tactically perfect, if they cannot play high up the pitch, the whole system breaks down.


I think that entire article a big load of hairy bollox, especially to try and tie some random comments in with Joe/Ter. Par the course for goal.com