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Re: English/British managers

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Re: English/British managers

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:39 pm

Right, I'm genuinely curious. What should Eddie Howe's next move be?
Stay at Bournemuff until inevitably it ends in relegation?
Take a job like Swansea, or Villa, where again the odds are stacked against him being a long term success?
This guy has performed a footballing miracle, defied convention and the odds. Playing great football too. There is every reason to think given great players and the support of a club set up like ours, he would be just fine and dandy.
If nobody gives him a gig, how will we ever know?
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Re: English/British managers

Postby Wonderwall » Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:40 pm

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:Right, I'm genuinely curious. What should Eddie Howe's next move be?
Stay at Bournemuff until inevitably it ends in relegation?
Take a job like Swansea, or Villa, where again the odds are stacked against him being a long term success?
This guy has performed a footballing miracle, defied convention and the odds. Playing great football too. There is every reason to think given great players and the support of a club set up like ours, he would be just fine and dandy.
If nobody gives him a gig, how will we ever know?


I like him too, but he should be given a chance to cut his teeth at someone between Us and Bournemouth before giving him a chance to manage in the Champions league etc. He is a very classy manager, handles himself very well and comes across very bright.

EDIT... I notice you put Swansea and Villa, chances are he might finish above them this season and they are in danger of being in the championship :-)
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Re: English/British managers

Postby PeterParker » Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:09 pm

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:Right, I'm genuinely curious. What should Eddie Howe's next move be?
Stay at Bournemuff until inevitably it ends in relegation?
Take a job like Swansea, or Villa, where again the odds are stacked against him being a long term success?
This guy has performed a footballing miracle, defied convention and the odds. Playing great football too. There is every reason to think given great players and the support of a club set up like ours, he would be just fine and dandy.
If nobody gives him a gig, how will we ever know?


Will you give him a season at our team?

I would.
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Re: English/British managers

Postby Alioune DVToure » Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:14 pm

PeterParker wrote:
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:Right, I'm genuinely curious. What should Eddie Howe's next move be?
Stay at Bournemuff until inevitably it ends in relegation?
Take a job like Swansea, or Villa, where again the odds are stacked against him being a long term success?
This guy has performed a footballing miracle, defied convention and the odds. Playing great football too. There is every reason to think given great players and the support of a club set up like ours, he would be just fine and dandy.
If nobody gives him a gig, how will we ever know?


Will you give him a season at our team?

I would.


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Re: English/British managers

Postby Lev Bronstein » Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:20 pm

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:Right, I'm genuinely curious. What should Eddie Howe's next move be?
Stay at Bournemuff until inevitably it ends in relegation?
Take a job like Swansea, or Villa, where again the odds are stacked against him being a long term success?
This guy has performed a footballing miracle, defied convention and the odds. Playing great football too. There is every reason to think given great players and the support of a club set up like ours, he would be just fine and dandy.
If nobody gives him a gig, how will we ever know?



Didn't he go to Burnley, and then went back to Bournemouth because of home sickness?
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Re: English/British managers

Postby Plain Speaking » Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:20 pm

PeterParker wrote:
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:Right, I'm genuinely curious. What should Eddie Howe's next move be?
Stay at Bournemuff until inevitably it ends in relegation?
Take a job like Swansea, or Villa, where again the odds are stacked against him being a long term success?
This guy has performed a footballing miracle, defied convention and the odds. Playing great football too. There is every reason to think given great players and the support of a club set up like ours, he would be just fine and dandy.
If nobody gives him a gig, how will we ever know?


Will you give him a season at our team?

I would.

I like him, I think he's got good qualities. He's proved himself more as a successful manager than PV so far.
Maybe sometime after Pep?
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Re: English/British managers

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:01 pm

Wonderwall wrote:
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:Right, I'm genuinely curious. What should Eddie Howe's next move be?
Stay at Bournemuff until inevitably it ends in relegation?
Take a job like Swansea, or Villa, where again the odds are stacked against him being a long term success?
This guy has performed a footballing miracle, defied convention and the odds. Playing great football too. There is every reason to think given great players and the support of a club set up like ours, he would be just fine and dandy.
If nobody gives him a gig, how will we ever know?


I like him too, but he should be given a chance to cut his teeth at someone between Us and Bournemouth before giving him a chance to manage in the Champions league etc. He is a very classy manager, handles himself very well and comes across very bright.

EDIT... I notice you put Swansea and Villa, chances are he might finish above them this season and they are in danger of being in the championship :-)


I picked him as an example of good Young British manager.
I picked those teams as bigger clubs where jobs are a possibility for him.
Just thinking aloud, what if Chelsea decided to take a chance on him? Do you think he would do well or bomb horribly.
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Re: English/British managers

Postby Wonderwall » Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:17 pm

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:
Wonderwall wrote:
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:Right, I'm genuinely curious. What should Eddie Howe's next move be?
Stay at Bournemuff until inevitably it ends in relegation?
Take a job like Swansea, or Villa, where again the odds are stacked against him being a long term success?
This guy has performed a footballing miracle, defied convention and the odds. Playing great football too. There is every reason to think given great players and the support of a club set up like ours, he would be just fine and dandy.
If nobody gives him a gig, how will we ever know?


I like him too, but he should be given a chance to cut his teeth at someone between Us and Bournemouth before giving him a chance to manage in the Champions league etc. He is a very classy manager, handles himself very well and comes across very bright.

EDIT... I notice you put Swansea and Villa, chances are he might finish above them this season and they are in danger of being in the championship :-)


I picked him as an example of good Young British manager.
I picked those teams as bigger clubs where jobs are a possibility for him.
Just thinking aloud, what if Chelsea decided to take a chance on him? Do you think he would do well or bomb horribly.


He is a very young manager, I think he has the temperament to do very well and I hope he does. I think a spurs or Everton might be next. You could have said the same about Martinez and Rodgers who have done well at Swansea before changing clubs and not going onto the next level
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Re: English/British managers

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:24 pm

Wonderwall wrote:
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:
Wonderwall wrote:
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:Right, I'm genuinely curious. What should Eddie Howe's next move be?
Stay at Bournemuff until inevitably it ends in relegation?
Take a job like Swansea, or Villa, where again the odds are stacked against him being a long term success?
This guy has performed a footballing miracle, defied convention and the odds. Playing great football too. There is every reason to think given great players and the support of a club set up like ours, he would be just fine and dandy.
If nobody gives him a gig, how will we ever know?


I like him too, but he should be given a chance to cut his teeth at someone between Us and Bournemouth before giving him a chance to manage in the Champions league etc. He is a very classy manager, handles himself very well and comes across very bright.

EDIT... I notice you put Swansea and Villa, chances are he might finish above them this season and they are in danger of being in the championship :-)


I picked him as an example of good Young British manager.
I picked those teams as bigger clubs where jobs are a possibility for him.
Just thinking aloud, what if Chelsea decided to take a chance on him? Do you think he would do well or bomb horribly.


He is a very young manager, I think he has the temperament to do very well and I hope he does. I think a spurs or Everton might be next. You could have said the same about Martinez and Rodgers who have done well at Swansea before changing clubs and not going onto the next level


This is one of my points. Unless you get to a club who have financial clout, you aren't going to win honours.
What does success look like at Spurs or Everton? Cracking the top four? Winning a domestic cup? Getting to the final of the Europa?
I'd suggest these sort of clubs are more likely to kill their progress rather than enhance it.
Spurs has been a graveyard, for British and foreign managers, in the main.
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Re: English/British managers

Postby DoomMerchant » Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:53 am

Fidel Castro wrote:They are shit. Just like the players, who are probably shit cos from an early age they receive shit coaching from shit coaches telling them to lump the ball to the shit, big kid on shit pitches


but that's not what happens anymore, right? That doesn't even happen in the States at any real football academy of which every major metro has at least one. We do still stress too much about athleticism, and politics of parents, and it costs too much, etc...but the "playing football on the ground/one touch pass and move" stuff is standard fare for the most part.

There must be some 25-30 year olds who given a chance in 10 years could be amazing managers. Has to be true.

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Re: English/British managers

Postby Im_Spartacus » Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:58 am

DoomMerchant wrote:
Fidel Castro wrote:They are shit. Just like the players, who are probably shit cos from an early age they receive shit coaching from shit coaches telling them to lump the ball to the shit, big kid on shit pitches


but that's not what happens anymore, right? That doesn't even happen in the States at any real football academy of which every major metro has at least one. We do still stress too much about athleticism, and politics of parents, and it costs too much, etc...but the "playing football on the ground/one touch pass and move" stuff is standard fare for the most part.

There must be some 25-30 year olds who given a chance in 10 years could be amazing managers. Has to be true.

cheers


Unfortunately it does. You go watch any kids age group game on a weekend in the parks in the uk, and you'll see that the fellers managing the team's simply want their kids to be on the winning side, they don't give a fuck about coaching their kids the technical skills.

Taking it up a level, remember that we see Doug and Twosips for example reporting that Uniteds EDS is based on size and power, so having flashy facilities and all that, doesn't mean that kids are being taught right. City are a very very rare exception. City are one of 90 odd professional clubs who have some kind of youth setup. The priority for most of them youth setups, is to find kids who will fit into pro football as quickly as possible - in the lower leagues that means that at 17/18 you have to physically stand out to fit in with adults. The overwhelming majority of clubs haven't got the time or money to nurture the weedy little kid who might one day be a David silva

British managers develop their own football philosophy from their own experiences, and most have had to do their time as a coach and manager in the lower leagues, by which time their views on coaching are set. I wouldn't hire an English coach. Ever
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