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Alioune DVToure wrote:I think Pellegrini might be onto something; I think a review system would be good. Managers should get one unsuccessful review per game, limited to red cards, penalties and goals (dis)allowed for being on/offside. If you get it wrong, you lose your review. If you get it right, you keep it. Reviews can be called when the ball next goes out of play. It wouldn't be too difficult to implement.

Pellegrini said this? But I thought he was just rolling over and accepting poor decisions that are given against us?

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

Alioune DVToure wrote:I think Pellegrini might be onto something; I think a review system would be good. Managers should get one unsuccessful review per game, limited to red cards, penalties and goals (dis)allowed for being on/offside. If you get it wrong, you lose your review. If you get it right, you keep it. Reviews can be called when the ball next goes out of play. It wouldn't be too difficult to implement.

Pellegrini said this? But I thought he was just rolling over and accepting poor decisions that are given against us?

Not as such; he simply floated the idea of the managerial right to challenge decisions in a presser a couple of weeks ago. The finer details are mine (and are basically just a rip-off from the DRS in international cricket).

Now I've thought about it further, I would limit it further in regard to offsides. I think it would be useful to challenge goals which have been given but should have been flagged; however, disallowed goals is tougher area. If the whistle has gone and some players have stopped playing by the time the attacking team scores, then it wasn't exactly a disallowed goal, was it?

It may be better just to bring it in for penalties and straight reds.

Crossie wrote:

Alioune DVToure wrote:I think Pellegrini might be onto something; I think a review system would be good. Managers should get one unsuccessful review per game, limited to red cards, penalties and goals (dis)allowed for being on/offside. If you get it wrong, you lose your review. If you get it right, you keep it. Reviews can be called when the ball next goes out of play. It wouldn't be too difficult to implement.

Excellent idea, the manager would have to then tell the players to only dare go down if they are certain they were fouled. Then making any appeal likely to be upheld.

This would result in a much more honest game. A game for men again.

That is all well and good until the Champions League games come around and messi, Neymar, Suarez, James Rodriguez, Ronaldo etc etc dive every 30 seconds and get all the decisions. I want change for the good of the game across all the top leagues and competitions, or we will once again be at the disadvantage and mercy of the Uefa cheaters

As an aside. Does anyone know of any Referee (apart from Jeff winter) to be honest and upfront about who they support? I think it should be public knowledge and they should not be able to Referee those games.

I know Anthony Taylor is a rag, he lives local to me but has decided to say he supports Altrincham to get h out of any shit.

At least Jeff Winter openly said he supports Boro and should Referee any of their games.

I'd be interested to see the views of the refs.
I always hated reffing my lads' games, mainly cos I enjoyed watching the game and forgot to concentrate, but in seriousness I did find it a really hard job.

With the technology these days it'd be simple to adopt the rugby approach. People say it's stop the game too much but the better rugby refs manage it really well.

The manager's appeal idea sounds ok but might not lead to as fair an outcome (assuming the number of appeals is limited) as if you give the responsibility to the ref. And - for what it's worth - I don't believe for a minute that PL refs are corrupt. I just think they are of varied quality, are asked to do a really hard job, and need all the help modern technology can offer to do a better and more consistent job.

Perhaps a simple after match interview like the managers have to do where the referee has to explain his decisions would help. It would make mugs of them for a week or two but that would be no bad thing, sorting the wheat from the chaff. The likes of East, Madely etc would then have nowhere to hide.

Let them earn their corn the hard way. If they don't like it then tough shit. There are dozens of referees in the lower leagues who would give their right arm to officiate at the highest level who can't be any worse. Give them a punt

bayblue wrote:I'd be interested to see the views of the refs.
I always hated reffing my lads' games, mainly cos I enjoyed watching the game and forgot to concentrate, but in seriousness I did find it a really hard job.

With the technology these days it'd be simple to adopt the rugby approach. People say it's stop the game too much but the better rugby refs manage it really well.

The manager's appeal idea sounds ok but might not lead to as fair an outcome (assuming the number of appeals is limited) as if you give the responsibility to the ref. And - for what it's worth - I don't believe for a minute that PL refs are corrupt. I just think they are of varied quality, are asked to do a really hard job, and need all the help modern technology can offer to do a better and more consistent job.

Haha couldn't agree more..it's a thankless task and a very difficult one. Especially without linesmen on a Sunday morning. Hated it and understand how difficult it is, which is why we need technology

Technology is already there and at this level of professionalism there is no longer any excuse not to have it.
They already have goal line technology. It would also be a very simple task for every player to be computer tagged in their jersey and also computer chip the ball if neccessary. Then GPS could tell whether a player was offside or not.
I'm sure there is plenty of ideas out there that could eliminate critical measurable decisions in a game, if the will was there to do it.
Have the lot transparent. Show the replays on screen.
You still need a ref to apply the rules but you could take a large percentage of the weekly mistakes out of the game.
It's not applicable to the kids league football or what you or I played on a Sunday morning, but then again what they are playing is a million miles from that already.

I think managers/clubs should be allowed to listen to the recordings of the conversations between the officials at key points in a match as well, in real time ideally. Or be allowed to request that they be made public immediately after. I'd love to know what these bastards are saying to each other as they deny us yet another straightforward decision.

They must have audio files of them already, probably for training purposes if nothing else. Hmmm. I wish I had the skill....

Should be just like the rugby for the big decisions - say penalty shouts and dives inside the box.
Ref passes it onto the judging panel, he is miked and says why, it is replayed on the big screen and the judging panel make the call.
(Diving in the box would be eliminated immediately).
Open, transparent, quick and the correct decisions are made.
Simple.

Because it is so simple to implement and we all know it works from the rugby - why is it not in place - thats right - vested interests (Man utd....)

Dimples wrote:Should be just like the rugby for the big decisions - say penalty shouts and dives inside the box.
Ref passes it onto the judging panel, he is miked and says why, it is replayed on the big screen and the judging panel make the call.
(Diving in the box would be eliminated immediately).
Open, transparent, quick and the correct decisions are made.
Simple.

Because it is so simple to implement and we all know it works from the rugby - why is it not in place - thats right - vested interests (Man utd....)

Prexactly.
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Tokyo Blue wrote:I think managers/clubs should be allowed to listen to the recordings of the conversations between the officials at key points in a match as well, in real time ideally. Or be allowed to request that they be made public immediately after. I'd love to know what these bastards are saying to each other as they deny us yet another straightforward decision.

They must have audio files of them already, probably for training purposes if nothing else. Hmmm. I wish I had the skill....

If only someone know someone who was Anonymous. We know they like causes, let's get them involved

Actually, after I saw the performance of the same ref squad at Villa - Leicester, I actually believe it was pure stupidity on Wednesday.

PeterParker wrote:Actually, after I saw the performance of the same ref squad at Villa - Leicester, I actually believe it was pure stupidity on Wednesday.

He should've gone to Specsavers

PeterParker wrote:Actually, after I saw the performance of the same ref squad at Villa - Leicester, I actually believe it was pure stupidity on Wednesday.

When the ref has an unblocked view of any fuckign incident and he waves play on then hes a fuckign cheating cunt..not inept..a cheating cunt.

Madeley and that other cunt we had for the everton game are cheating cunts who should not be allowed to ref us again.

Bang on Carl.

They can't look at themselves in the mirror and say they didn't see what happened.

They saw it. There is a reason why they lied. It may all come out in years to come but it stinks to high heaven

Original Dub wrote:Bang on Carl.

They can't look at themselves in the mirror and say they didn't see what happened.

They saw it. There is a reason why they lied. It may all come out in years to come but it stinks to high heaven

If East and Madley are completely innocent and have no corruption or Bias, they are clearly incompetent and should be demoted, they are continually making big mistakes, which shows the PGMOL (professional Game Match Officials Ltd, for those who didnt know) they need extra training and should not be at the top level. I wonder if a team on the end of one of their mistakes, could to take PGMOL to court for Gross Incompetence and ask for them to cover the cost of that mistake.

Well if East had done his job and awarded the pen and presuming we had scored it we would now be 1 point in front at the top of the league instead of 1 point behind in 3rd.Now these refs decisions really are influencing the title race theres a fuckin surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wonderwall wrote:

Original Dub wrote:Bang on Carl.

They can't look at themselves in the mirror and say they didn't see what happened.

They saw it. There is a reason why they lied. It may all come out in years to come but it stinks to high heaven

If East and Madley are completely innocent and have no corruption or Bias, they are clearly incompetent and should be demoted, they are continually making big mistakes, which shows the PGMOL (professional Game Match Officials Ltd, for those who didnt know) they need extra training and should not be at the top level. I wonder if a team on the end of one of their mistakes, could to take PGMOL to court for Gross Incompetence and ask for them to cover the cost of that mistake.

If litigation does rear its head then video technology will be brought in very quickly I would think...........................

dave watson's perm wrote:

Wonderwall wrote:

Original Dub wrote:Bang on Carl.

They can't look at themselves in the mirror and say they didn't see what happened.

They saw it. There is a reason why they lied. It may all come out in years to come but it stinks to high heaven

If East and Madley are completely innocent and have no corruption or Bias, they are clearly incompetent and should be demoted, they are continually making big mistakes, which shows the PGMOL (professional Game Match Officials Ltd, for those who didnt know) they need extra training and should not be at the top level. I wonder if a team on the end of one of their mistakes, could to take PGMOL to court for Gross Incompetence and ask for them to cover the cost of that mistake.

If litigation does rear its head then video technology will be brought in very quickly I would think...........................

Who is to say that's not the reason it's being introduced in the FA cup next season.