Can;t fricking wait for MoTD tonight..

[WhyAlwaysMe?]

think MOTD has taken a good step forward by getting rid of most of the regular ol' cunts on there every week (who could never say anything positive about anyone let alone City).

Big Sam was good yesterday and Sinclair was fun today. Too bad there was Alan "bore you to death with cliches" Shearer and Martin "crazy eyed back alley mugger" Keown with them.

I agree that the UK version of Match Of the Day has definitely benefited from all the changes they made.
By the way, these recents changes to both City and the MOTD, were praised by the Daily Mail's Ian Ladyman... This hot list makes Ian almost sound like a City fan!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... llies.html

[iwasthere2012]

iwasthere2012 - are you on medication? NBC's coverage is rank. The two Robbie's (Earle and Mustoe) are awful. Not a patch on Alexi Llanas and his ludicrous hair, but shite nonetheless. Two men with speech impediments with no grip on tactics - almost as bad as the OS commentator. He is utter bobbins

Londonblue, I find it laughable that you would complain about NBC's PL coverage, when they are actually showing EVERY PL match. Sky & BT Sport both pick & choose which matches they deem worthy of broadcasting. So, you really think it's fair when City's matches aren't aired in the UK, but you can watch them in most other countries of the world?!

Was Sky TV's Martin Tyler and Gary Neville's commentary tactically more intelligent, compared to Arlo White and Tim Howard, for NBC? It was wonderful to hear more City praise from Neville, to counter Tyler's comments. Sky's in studio panel was Souness, Henry and Quinn. L'Arse Henry angrily insisted that Fernandinho should have been red-carded! Without the UK bias, NBC's Kyle Martino knew that Fernandinho's arm was lifted to get extra height for his jump & felt it was NOT worthy of a red card.

I also watched the Barclays PL Review version with Jon Champion and Andy Townsend match commentating. I then viewed CityTV's own version, which airs on the YES Network.
I followed this by watching highlights from all over the world. The best and most informative commentary came from NBC's version with Everton keeper, Tim Howard, who will be facing off with City, this weekend.

The best part about NBC's still-evolving PL coverage is the refreshing lack of anti-City bias. It's wonderful to see a Manchester Monday highlight show, every week. NBC's main ad for all their matches, is a clip of Aguero scoring!

Neville & Tyler's commentary:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6F_tiVZqsEw

I agree with this. If it was on Fox, who carried the World Cup I believe and the Champions League, with a basketball announcer calling the games I'd be miserable. NBC respects the audience and does not cater to less informed American followers of the game which makes ones like me far happier.

Also, Alexi Lalas is I believe an ESPN commentator and, yes he is AWFUL and horribly biased, but he doesn't have anything to do with NBC's Premier League coverage.

I also disagree about saying Earle and Mustoe lack of tactical nous, and the match commentary is usually good as well. Sure, their may be a bit more animation compared to a lot of British match commentators, due to it being an American audience, but it isn't like we have Mexican or Arab style announcing where they yel the whole game or that highly annoying Scottish commentator from Bein Sport. They only become animated when it makes sense, i.e. a key goal is scored or an important booking occurs. I find the analysis to often be spot on, and the lack of anti-City bias is indeed quite refreshing.

Either way I can watch every PL match online for free, and most on replay for days after! We are spoilt and I am loving it!

And it is available to you in the UK if you want. All you need is a good broadband speed.

[ruralblue]

iwasthere2012 - are you on medication? NBC's coverage is rank. The two Robbie's (Earle and Mustoe) are awful. Not a patch on Alexi Llanas and his ludicrous hair, but shite nonetheless. Two men with speech impediments with no grip on tactics - almost as bad as the OS commentator. He is utter bobbins

Londonblue, I find it laughable that you would complain about NBC's PL coverage, when they are actually showing EVERY PL match. Sky & BT Sport both pick & choose which matches they deem worthy of broadcasting. So, you really think it's fair when City's matches aren't aired in the UK, but you can watch them in most other countries of the world?!

Was Sky TV's Martin Tyler and Gary Neville's commentary tactically more intelligent, compared to Arlo White and Tim Howard, for NBC? It was wonderful to hear more City praise from Neville, to counter Tyler's comments. Sky's in studio panel was Souness, Henry and Quinn. L'Arse Henry angrily insisted that Fernandinho should have been red-carded! Without the UK bias, NBC's Kyle Martino knew that Fernandinho's arm was lifted to get extra height for his jump & felt it was NOT worthy of a red card.

I also watched the Barclays PL Review version with Jon Champion and Andy Townsend match commentating. I then viewed CityTV's own version, which airs on the YES Network.
I followed this by watching highlights from all over the world. The best and most informative commentary came from NBC's version with Everton keeper, Tim Howard, who will be facing off with City, this weekend.

The best part about NBC's still-evolving PL coverage is the refreshing lack of anti-City bias. It's wonderful to see a Manchester Monday highlight show, every week. NBC's main ad for all their matches, is a clip of Aguero scoring!

Neville & Tyler's commentary:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6F_tiVZqsEw

I agree with this. If it was on Fox, who carried the World Cup I believe and the Champions League, with a basketball announcer calling the games I'd be miserable. NBC respects the audience and does not cater to less informed American followers of the game which makes ones like me far happier.

Also, Alexi Lalas is I believe an ESPN commentator and, yes he is AWFUL and horribly biased, but he doesn't have anything to do with NBC's Premier League coverage.

I also disagree about saying Earle and Mustoe lack of tactical nous, and the match commentary is usually good as well. Sure, their may be a bit more animation compared to a lot of British match commentators, due to it being an American audience, but it isn't like we have Mexican or Arab style announcing where they yel the whole game or that highly annoying Scottish commentator from Bein Sport. They only become animated when it makes sense, i.e. a key goal is scored or an important booking occurs. I find the analysis to often be spot on, and the lack of anti-City bias is indeed quite refreshing.

Either way I can watch every PL match online for free, and most on replay for days after! We are spoilt and I am loving it!

And it is available to you in the UK if you want. All you need is a good broadband speed.

Where can you watch it in UK? ?? Joans for bein sports or do they have a direct website?

They have just done fibre optic phobe lines and I have signed up for bt infinity so will be able to get 35 mbps from now on. Much better that the 10mbps I currently get.

Always struggled with a decent Joan and eventually signed up for sky sports mobile at a fiver a month but even that cuts out.

[iwasthere2012]

iwasthere2012 - are you on medication? NBC's coverage is rank. The two Robbie's (Earle and Mustoe) are awful. Not a patch on Alexi Llanas and his ludicrous hair, but shite nonetheless. Two men with speech impediments with no grip on tactics - almost as bad as the OS commentator. He is utter bobbins

Londonblue, I find it laughable that you would complain about NBC's PL coverage, when they are actually showing EVERY PL match. Sky & BT Sport both pick & choose which matches they deem worthy of broadcasting. So, you really think it's fair when City's matches aren't aired in the UK, but you can watch them in most other countries of the world?!

Was Sky TV's Martin Tyler and Gary Neville's commentary tactically more intelligent, compared to Arlo White and Tim Howard, for NBC? It was wonderful to hear more City praise from Neville, to counter Tyler's comments. Sky's in studio panel was Souness, Henry and Quinn. L'Arse Henry angrily insisted that Fernandinho should have been red-carded! Without the UK bias, NBC's Kyle Martino knew that Fernandinho's arm was lifted to get extra height for his jump & felt it was NOT worthy of a red card.

I also watched the Barclays PL Review version with Jon Champion and Andy Townsend match commentating. I then viewed CityTV's own version, which airs on the YES Network.
I followed this by watching highlights from all over the world. The best and most informative commentary came from NBC's version with Everton keeper, Tim Howard, who will be facing off with City, this weekend.

The best part about NBC's still-evolving PL coverage is the refreshing lack of anti-City bias. It's wonderful to see a Manchester Monday highlight show, every week. NBC's main ad for all their matches, is a clip of Aguero scoring!

Neville & Tyler's commentary:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6F_tiVZqsEw

I agree with this. If it was on Fox, who carried the World Cup I believe and the Champions League, with a basketball announcer calling the games I'd be miserable. NBC respects the audience and does not cater to less informed American followers of the game which makes ones like me far happier.

Also, Alexi Lalas is I believe an ESPN commentator and, yes he is AWFUL and horribly biased, but he doesn't have anything to do with NBC's Premier League coverage.

I also disagree about saying Earle and Mustoe lack of tactical nous, and the match commentary is usually good as well. Sure, their may be a bit more animation compared to a lot of British match commentators, due to it being an American audience, but it isn't like we have Mexican or Arab style announcing where they yel the whole game or that highly annoying Scottish commentator from Bein Sport. They only become animated when it makes sense, i.e. a key goal is scored or an important booking occurs. I find the analysis to often be spot on, and the lack of anti-City bias is indeed quite refreshing.

Either way I can watch every PL match online for free, and most on replay for days after! We are spoilt and I am loving it!

And it is available to you in the UK if you want. All you need is a good broadband speed.

Where can you watch it in UK? ?? Joans for bein sports or do they have a direct website?

They have just done fibre optic phobe lines and I have signed up for bt infinity so will be able to get 35 mbps from now on. Much better that the 10mbps I currently get.

Always struggled with a decent Joan and eventually signed up for sky sports mobile at a fiver a month but even that cuts out.

I'll PM you.

[ruralblue]

Bless ya cottons x

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Can I get one of them PMs too Iwasthere? Have a pain in my bollox with dodgy streams.

[Cocacolajojo1]

Also I can have pm I was there?

[london blue 2]

I would also appreciate a PM if they're going cheap iwasthere

[WhyAlwaysMe?]

It's not the FA's decision, legislation was put in place by the Labour Government when the Premier League was formed to protect the 3pm Saturday kick-off under the intention of encouraging actual match attendance.

Yes, but UK government laws can be changed and revised. When the PL was formed, the broadcast rights to matches were worth far less, than they are now. Viewership of the PL in the 90's, was not the worldwide success it is currently. Today's broadcast money can now be a large part of other team's investment funds, for an entire season. At the start of the PL, no one had devices that they could upload entire portions of a live match and share it with a worldwide audience.

Just look at how many people here are looking for options to watch more than what is being currently delivered by Sky & BT Sports. I am actually a bit surprised that David Cameron hasn't already made some changes to this law. After all, Cameron's favourite teams, Aston Villa & West Ham, would greatly benefit from all the extra broadcast money. I suppose that the govt. has far greater priorities than football, though!

[Dameerto]

It's not the FA's decision, legislation was put in place by the Labour Government when the Premier League was formed to protect the 3pm Saturday kick-off under the intention of encouraging actual match attendance.

Yes, but UK government laws can be changed and revised. When the PL was formed, the broadcast rights to matches were worth far less, than they are now. Viewership of the PL in the 90's, was not the worldwide success it is currently. Today's broadcast money can now be a large part of other team's investment funds, for an entire season. At the start of the PL, no one had devices that they could upload entire portions of a live match and share it with a worldwide audience.

Just look at how many people here are looking for options to watch more than what is being currently delivered by Sky & BT Sports. I am actually a bit surprised that David Cameron hasn't already made some changes to this law. After all, Cameron's favourite team, Aston Villa would greatly benefit from all the extra broadcast money. I suppose that the govt. has far greater priorities than football, though!

Which would take a political decision, not a purely footballing one. When politicians start worrying they will lose popularity they duck the issue. And Cameron doesn't know the first thing about Villa - he's on film mixing them up with West Ham - he's a popularist soundbite merchant that seems to have the country under mass hypnosis. I fewking hate British politics at the moment and have done since Blair's blueprint for his magnolia centreground power grab (which Cameron stole).

[nottsblue]

It's not the FA's decision, legislation was put in place by the Labour Government when the Premier League was formed to protect the 3pm Saturday kick-off under the intention of encouraging actual match attendance.

Yes, but UK government laws can be changed and revised. When the PL was formed, the broadcast rights to matches were worth far less, than they are now. Viewership of the PL in the 90's, was not the worldwide success it is currently. Today's broadcast money can now be a large part of other team's investment funds, for an entire season. At the start of the PL, no one had devices that they could upload entire portions of a live match and share it with a worldwide audience.

Just look at how many people here are looking for options to watch more than what is being currently delivered by Sky & BT Sports. I am actually a bit surprised that David Cameron hasn't already made some changes to this law. After all, Cameron's favourite team, Aston Villa would greatly benefit from all the extra broadcast money. I suppose that the govt. has far greater priorities than football, though!

It's not just UK games that can't be broadcast between 3 and 5.15, it is any live game. Remember when El Classico started at 5.00 and we had to watch Ballague watching the game on an iPad with him providing commentary?

[Slim]

Just saw Roberto's post match interview, that man is class and the chasm between him and last week's child is startling.

[WhyAlwaysMe?]

It's not the FA's decision, legislation was put in place by the Labour Government when the Premier League was formed to protect the 3pm Saturday kick-off under the intention of encouraging actual match attendance.

It's not just UK games that can't be broadcast between 3 and 5.15, it is any live game. Remember when El Classico started at 5.00 and we had to watch Ballague watching the game on an iPad with him providing commentary?

I always wondered if this law was partially created, because the UK govt. doesn't want the entire police force stationed at all the football stadiums and the bars, on match days.
This crazy 3-5 PM broadcast embargo does not include all the other live sports events, like cricket, rugby, tennis, etc. Instead of protecting live match attendance, it costs all the football teams far more, in lost TV revenue.

[Hutch's Shoulder]

It's not the FA's decision, legislation was put in place by the Labour Government when the Premier League was formed to protect the 3pm Saturday kick-off under the intention of encouraging actual match attendance.

It's not just UK games that can't be broadcast between 3 and 5.15, it is any live game. Remember when El Classico started at 5.00 and we had to watch Ballague watching the game on an iPad with him providing commentary?

I always wondered if this law was partially created, because the UK govt. doesn't want the entire police force stationed at all the football stadiums and the bars, on match days.
This crazy 3-5 PM broadcast embargo does not include all the other live sports events, like cricket, rugby, tennis, etc. Instead of protecting live match attendance, it costs all the football teams far more, in lost TV revenue.

As far as I can remember, and it was a long time ago, the arguments put forward at the time were not about protecting attendance at other PL games, but the lower leagues, including non-league games.

[Socrates]

The broadcasters that want to buy the UK rights to currently unaired matches, have claimed that not airing every PL match, deprives lower table and less wealthy teams from much-needed broadcast income. Match attendance is not always less, just because the match is on TV. If match attendance is the FA's priority, every match should still be available, on tape delay. Thankfully, this is far less of a concern for City, these days.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... unced.html

It's not the FA's decision, legislation was put in place by the Labour Government when the Premier League was formed to protect the 3pm Saturday kick-off under the intention of encouraging actual match attendance.

Which Labour government was that? The one that left office 13 years before the Prem was formed or the one that came in 5 years after the Prem was formed? Not that I disagree particularly with the decision, particularly at that time as is now almost redundant, but credit should go where it is due whether positive or negative.

Back to the original point, as I was eluding to on the football pyramid comment I made, it is the attendances at clubs in lower divisions that were foremost in the minds of those making the decision. People less likely to go to see a football league game or even the derby between Stalybridge Celtic and Hyde if there's a Prem game on the box.

[Original Dub]

It's not the FA's decision, legislation was put in place by the Labour Government when the Premier League was formed to protect the 3pm Saturday kick-off under the intention of encouraging actual match attendance.

It's not just UK games that can't be broadcast between 3 and 5.15, it is any live game. Remember when El Classico started at 5.00 and we had to watch Ballague watching the game on an iPad with him providing commentary?

I always wondered if this law was partially created, because the UK govt. doesn't want the entire police force stationed at all the football stadiums and the bars, on match days.
This crazy 3-5 PM broadcast embargo does not include all the other live sports events, like cricket, rugby, tennis, etc. Instead of protecting live match attendance, it costs all the football teams far more, in lost TV revenue.

WhyAlwaysMe
Thanks for that

[zuricity]

Seeing as last nights game was between those great members of the Sky 4 , did anyone catch MOTD3 ? I seem to have missed it.

[john@staustell]

I rarely watch Motd 1 let alone 2 & 3

[WhyAlwaysMe?]

It's not the FA's decision, legislation was put in place by the Labour Government when the Premier League was formed to protect the 3pm Saturday kick-off under the intention of encouraging actual match attendance.

It's not just UK games that can't be broadcast between 3 and 5.15, it is any live game. Remember when El Classico started at 5.00 and we had to watch Ballague watching the game on an iPad with him providing commentary?

As far as I can remember, and it was a long time ago, the arguments put forward at the time were not about protecting attendance at other PL games, but the lower leagues, including non-league games.

This fallacy that the UK government was attempting to protect the attendance of lower league matches, does not explain why those unaired PL matches are also unavailable, after the match, via streaming or downloading. Every PL match should be available to watch online, without having to search outside the UK.

As for the BBC & MOTD, please tell me that I'm not dreaming, since all their football pundits now think that City are the team to beat!
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33950813

Sláinte, O'Dub!

[Original Dub]

It's not the FA's decision, legislation was put in place by the Labour Government when the Premier League was formed to protect the 3pm Saturday kick-off under the intention of encouraging actual match attendance.

It's not just UK games that can't be broadcast between 3 and 5.15, it is any live game. Remember when El Classico started at 5.00 and we had to watch Ballague watching the game on an iPad with him providing commentary?

As far as I can remember, and it was a long time ago, the arguments put forward at the time were not about protecting attendance at other PL games, but the lower leagues, including non-league games.

This fallacy that the UK government was attempting to protect the attendance of lower league matches, does not explain why those unaired PL matches are also unavailable, after the match, via streaming or downloading. Every PL match should be available to watch online, without having to search outside the UK.

As for the BBC & MOTD, please tell me that I'm not dreaming, since all their football pundits now think that City are the team to beat!
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33950813

Sláinte, O'Dub!

;)