Slim wrote:PrezIke wrote:Slim wrote:PrezIke wrote:Without him we win zero trophies.
Things that happened last summer are something that are understandably frustrating for fans to see from our vantage point, yet loss is powerful. It is not something we can account for easily in terms of how people will react when it is experienced. I have seen reactions that could appear shocking but are not necessarily indicative of the person entirely. Most of us are not being analysed by the public regularly so we can afford to make mistakes and go through hard times. You see this regularly in mental health...yet humans also possess the capacity to recover, particularly those who possess a strong sense of determination and resiliency.
It is later in his career so he won't be the master of tracking back, sure, but his quality is still immense, is widely respected by his peers (perhaps partly why our team dropped in performance as well...when a key leader drops in mentality) and has been a key player in helping us lift multiple trophies.
If he left this summer how would we feel now exactly?
Sorry, can you answer two questions for me? These are in relation to your first sentence.
1. Did we have him with us last season?
2. How many trophies did we win?
I have honestly not read the rest of your post because I stopped to reply to you after your first 6 words of utter bollocks. One can only assume the rest of the post is polluted with the same tripe.
The point of the sentence was to argue that without him we would have not won the trophies won in the previous years since his arrival. Does that make sense and do you wish to argue against the claim? If so I am all ears.
No fool would argue he didn't have a poor season last year. The rest of the post, however, was to point out perhaps why he dropped in form and why he could return to close to it, despite his obvious weaknesses, of which almost all players have, even those apparently more beloved than he. Yet, since mental health is not considered something that can be "injured" like a broken leg, despite the fact that scientists would argue it is, is seen as unacceptable, popularly across most cultures.
You want me to argue against reality with conjecture?
I'll leave that to you with your "we'd have won nothing without him" stance.
Also, I'll let you explain your lack of faith in Aguero, Silva, Kompany, Hart, Dzeko, Barry, Milner, Zabaleta, Kolarov, Tevez, Mancini, Pellegrini, Khaldoon and Sheikh Mansour. As obviously you believe them all completely inept and unable to get anything done without Yaya there to place his hands on his knees and watch the counter attack pass him by.
I get what you are trying to say, but that is not what I am arguing. Of course all of those listed were key to the past success, but I firstly would not rate all equally. Yaya is one of the top 3-4 players we have had and has been here throughout. No disrespect to some listed, but they are not as good as he is. Interesting how that seems lost in the argument, and maybe that's why Yaya verbalised that he felt he did not get the respect he deserves when he had an incredible year two seasons ago, but finished 3rd in player of the year voting, and 2nd was Gerrard.
Regardless of this point would you also wish to include the shortcomings of the other players you listed other than Yaya? What about the times when Barry was burned due to his lack of pace? The injury records of some others listed and how that has hurt the team due to their long absences, whilst he RARELY misses a game due to this? Some who also have not put in effort on the pitch either or had rows with the club and management, but are somehow forgiven because of perceived "effort on the pitch?" You interestingly left out Nasri and Balotelli as others who have been important and have similar question marks as Yaya. Nasri is probably the least liked player of the era other than Yaya for the same reasons. Balo more liked but before his assist to Aguero had none the entire season to that point.
I get it, I really do. It's always about "effort" to fans in sport. Players who don't show it in games where the importance of being a "two way player" or where playing attack and defence are required always lead to these kinds of questions and criticism of those that are not as good. I am a big basketball fan and this comes up regularly. Yet, some players are so good at one thing that you might be willing to look the other way a bit due to other strengths, and you then build the team and employ tactics that hopefully will mask this a bit. Could we not also criticize Pellegrini, who I of course an a supporter of, whose tactics may have left players like Yaya and Kompany more exposed than under Mancini, who also warrants criticism for other reasons we have discussed for years.
Perception from fans about Yaya's effort also seemed more pronounced last season as I don't recall these complaints as much before nor do I recall noticing it as much either the season prior. Again, I gave possible reasons this could have occurred which is my point that seems to be lost, and instead this has turned into why Yaya is not really that important or more important than anyone else on the team, which I don't agree either with anyway.
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