sterling

[Wonderwall]

This is just unbelievable broken british journalism

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 48338.html

After getting as far as the description "big spending Manchester City", I couldn't be bothered to read any further.

NO you have to read it, its really unbelievable, they have used Football manager to say we wont win the league with him

I did as you suggested WW and went back to read it.

It's totally pathetic at best and if they were as successful with their predictions, as they seem to confidently assert, they would have won the Lottery long ago.

If it was April 1st, it might have been slightly humorous........

It makes you wonder about the people who write this drivel and the editors who allow it to go out. This is lazy journalism at it's very worst. Wonder how the simulator for the dippers with or without Sterling went. Relegation perchance?

It's the sort of article a ten year old would write

It was somin rice who IS the sports editor. ycnmiu

[Beefymcfc]

Young Raheem would be an excellent signing. Forget the cost.

[MilnersJaw]

Some final thoughts on sterling since if you are against signing in you are automatically jumped on and called a cunt.

I would take him if the price is reasonable, no more than 20 million but the figures that are being quoted and throwing around are insane. It doesn't help when people say stupid shit like "this is the norm now" and "its the price you have to pay these days" Is it fuck. We got aguero for £37 million and we don't need to explain that. But 40-50 million for a kid based on potential, yes fucking potential which is the word that keeps getting thrown around here, is again insane. If we are looking to spend that kind of money on one play (which we never have done) it should be someone who is world class, not some kid because of A) potential and B) english.

I look at the big picture and signing a 20 year old kid who is already an arrogant cunt based on potential is a massive risk. The pressure he would be under to perform with such a high transfer would be huge; we have already seen how weak minded he is, after having a decent-ish start to a season, he went shit after the media storm that followed. A 'world class' player looking to get out of a club would be still performing showing buyers that he is worth their money, not being average. Also, like yaya he has a cunt of an agent, how fast would he be fucking off, if he does become great?

I'd rathwe we buy someone who is already proven to be class and just another english/homegrown player for cheap as a squad player since people keep making that excuse for sterling is that we need an english player.

if we buy him and he turns out to be as good as people reckon, I will eat my hat, but he is english and english players and football have got progressively worse over the last 10 years so I doubt it.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

Some final thoughts on sterling since if you are against signing in you are automatically jumped on and called a cunt.

I would take him if the price is reasonable, no more than 20 million but the figures that are being quoted and throwing around are insane. It doesn't help when people say stupid shit like "this is the norm now" and "its the price you have to pay these days" Is it fuck. We got aguero for £37 million and we don't need to explain that. But 40-50 million for a kid based on potential, yes fucking potential which is the word that keeps getting thrown around here, is again insane. If we are looking to spend that kind of money on one play (which we never have done) it should be someone who is world class, not some kid because of A) potential and B) english.

I look at the big picture and signing a 20 year old kid who is already an arrogant cunt based on potential is a massive risk. The pressure he would be under to perform with such a high transfer would be huge; we have already seen how weak minded he is, after having a decent-ish start to a season, he went shit after the media storm that followed. A 'world class' player looking to get out of a club would be still performing showing buyers that he is worth their money, not being average. Also, like yaya he has a cunt of an agent, how fast would he be fucking off, if he does become great?

I'd rathwe we buy someone who is already proven to be class and just another english/homegrown player for cheap as a squad player since people keep making that excuse for sterling is that we need an english player.

if we buy him and he turns out to be as good as people reckon, I will eat my hat, but he is english and english players and football have got progressively worse over the last 10 years so I doubt it.

I'm very dubious about signing Sterling and I have grave misgivings over the potential fee we're going to have to pay to, ostensibly, 'get him'.

I feel MJ has summed up and enunciated my feelings perfectly and, for my money, this is an excellent and highly pertinent post.

[Im_Spartacus]

Some final thoughts on sterling since if you are against signing in you are automatically jumped on and called a cunt.

I would take him if the price is reasonable, no more than 20 million but the figures that are being quoted and throwing around are insane. It doesn't help when people say stupid shit like "this is the norm now" and "its the price you have to pay these days" Is it fuck. We got aguero for £37 million and we don't need to explain that. But 40-50 million for a kid based on potential, yes fucking potential which is the word that keeps getting thrown around here, is again insane. If we are looking to spend that kind of money on one play (which we never have done) it should be someone who is world class, not some kid because of A) potential and B) english.

I look at the big picture and signing a 20 year old kid who is already an arrogant cunt based on potential is a massive risk. The pressure he would be under to perform with such a high transfer would be huge; we have already seen how weak minded he is, after having a decent-ish start to a season, he went shit after the media storm that followed. A 'world class' player looking to get out of a club would be still performing showing buyers that he is worth their money, not being average. Also, like yaya he has a cunt of an agent, how fast would he be fucking off, if he does become great?

I'd rathwe we buy someone who is already proven to be class and just another english/homegrown player for cheap as a squad player since people keep making that excuse for sterling is that we need an english player.

if we buy him and he turns out to be as good as people reckon, I will eat my hat, but he is english and english players and football have got progressively worse over the last 10 years so I doubt it.

I think most, if not all of us agree on the point about the money, but at the end of the day fans don't dictate the market, buying and selling clubs do - and ultimately he is worth whatever the market decides he's worth. If the club think he is a gamble worth spunking 40 or 50m on, then so be it. I don't like it, I don't see the value in it, but in 5 years time he could be worth double, so it's a gamble the club are taking with their eyes wide open.

[Paul68]

Some final thoughts on sterling since if you are against signing in you are automatically jumped on and called a cunt.

I would take him if the price is reasonable, no more than 20 million but the figures that are being quoted and throwing around are insane. It doesn't help when people say stupid shit like "this is the norm now" and "its the price you have to pay these days" Is it fuck. We got aguero for £37 million and we don't need to explain that. But 40-50 million for a kid based on potential, yes fucking potential which is the word that keeps getting thrown around here, is again insane. If we are looking to spend that kind of money on one play (which we never have done) it should be someone who is world class, not some kid because of A) potential and B) english.

I look at the big picture and signing a 20 year old kid who is already an arrogant cunt based on potential is a massive risk. The pressure he would be under to perform with such a high transfer would be huge; we have already seen how weak minded he is, after having a decent-ish start to a season, he went shit after the media storm that followed. A 'world class' player looking to get out of a club would be still performing showing buyers that he is worth their money, not being average. Also, like yaya he has a cunt of an agent, how fast would he be fucking off, if he does become great?

I'd rathwe we buy someone who is already proven to be class and just another english/homegrown player for cheap as a squad player since people keep making that excuse for sterling is that we need an english player.

if we buy him and he turns out to be as good as people reckon, I will eat my hat, but he is english and english players and football have got progressively worse over the last 10 years so I doubt it.

I'm very dubious about signing Sterling and I have grave misgivings over the potential fee we're going to have to pay to, ostensibly, 'get him'.

I feel MJ has summed up and enunciated my feelings perfectly and, for my money, this is an excellent and highly pertinent post.

I'm a norrible cunt already so don't give the hairy crack of a rats arse if I get called one again.
Mj has got it spot on. It's the arrogance of sterling that worries me. He's got nothing to back it up with... Except "potential"... And fifty million is fucking ludicrous for potential.
It's a no from me... At fifty anyway... Far too much.

[I Just Blue Myself]

Yes, we got Aguero for £38m, but we got slated for it then as well & called 'insane', same with Yaya.

Plus, that was 4 years ago. In the meantime, Bale went for £85m, Suarez for £75m, James for £63m, Di Maria for £60m, Cavani for £55m, David Luiz for £50m and the likes of Mangala, Shaw or Illarramendi for over £30m each.

[Original Dub]

Yes, we got Aguero for £38m, but we got slated for it then as well & called 'insane', same with Yaya.

Plus, that was 4 years ago. In the meantime, Bale went for £85m, Suarez for £75m, James for £63m, Di Maria for £60m, Cavani for £55m, David Luiz for £50m and the likes of Mangala, Shaw or Illarramendi for over £30m each.

Thanks for saving me the effort.

[Cocacolajojo1]

38 mill for agüero was a bargain. It was at the time and even more now. Any journo who couldn't see that in 2011 clearly should never ever ever ever be read or listened to again.

[clippo22]

There are so many things that make up a players transfer 'value'. Seems like most people are basing it on ability and potential. But there are so many other factors that affect a transfer value.

How long is left on the contract?
How much do the club need or want to sell?
Are they selling to a rival?
What other options do the buying club have?
How much do you have to give to other clubs because of sell on fees?
How much will they have to spend to replace him?
How many other clubs are interested?
Does he add to the home grown quota?
Potential value increase?

All of that to consider as well as the players ability and potential!

i think when you consider all of them, and Sterling ticks most of them boxes, then £50m is a fair price and we should just get it done!

[PeterParker]

Really interesting, but seems in the past two weeks are only rumours about him coming here, no other team involved.

Might mean something, might not.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Some final thoughts on sterling since if you are against signing in you are automatically jumped on and called a cunt.

I would take him if the price is reasonable, no more than 20 million but the figures that are being quoted and throwing around are insane. It doesn't help when people say stupid shit like "this is the norm now" and "its the price you have to pay these days" Is it fuck. We got aguero for £37 million and we don't need to explain that. But 40-50 million for a kid based on potential, yes fucking potential which is the word that keeps getting thrown around here, is again insane. If we are looking to spend that kind of money on one play (which we never have done) it should be someone who is world class, not some kid because of A) potential and B) english.

I look at the big picture and signing a 20 year old kid who is already an arrogant cunt based on potential is a massive risk. The pressure he would be under to perform with such a high transfer would be huge; we have already seen how weak minded he is, after having a decent-ish start to a season, he went shit after the media storm that followed. A 'world class' player looking to get out of a club would be still performing showing buyers that he is worth their money, not being average. Also, like yaya he has a cunt of an agent, how fast would he be fucking off, if he does become great?

I'd rathwe we buy someone who is already proven to be class and just another english/homegrown player for cheap as a squad player since people keep making that excuse for sterling is that we need an english player.

if we buy him and he turns out to be as good as people reckon, I will eat my hat, but he is english and english players and football have got progressively worse over the last 10 years so I doubt it.

What are you basing your claim that he's arrogant on.

As for buying squad fillers that are homegrown, we've been down that road and it was a disaster, we need to improve our first XI and the players that drop out of the first XI as a result become the squad players.

For me the price is irrelevant, the most important factor is will he improve our first XI? I believe he will, secondary to that is that he's homegrown which solves a big issue for us too.

This obsession with price is media driven bollox as far as I'm concerned.

[Cocacolajojo1]

This obsession with price is media driven bollox as far as I'm concerned.

Sports media driven bollox moreover. It would be interesting if they put journos with an education in economics who wrote about football from that type of perspective, have a feeling it would generate completely different stories. Probably more interesting as well.

In the end though, the object of the game is to score goal and win things. This whole accounting thing that has invaded the business is frustrating to say the least. Pay people what they want and be done with it, as long as it doesn't leed to the club doing a Portsmouth I couldn't care less.

[City64]

Yes, we got Aguero for £38m, but we got slated for it then as well & called 'insane', same with Yaya.

Plus, that was 4 years ago. In the meantime, Bale went for £85m, Suarez for £75m, James for £63m, Di Maria for £60m, Cavani for £55m, David Luiz for £50m and the likes of Mangala, Shaw or Illarramendi for over £30m each.

Excellent post and my thoughts exactly . Should shut a few cunts up tbh .

[I Just Blue Myself]

This obsession with price is media driven bollox as far as I'm concerned.

Sports media driven bollox moreover. It would be interesting if they put journos with an education in economics who wrote about football from that type of perspective, have a feeling it would generate completely different stories. Probably more interesting as well.

In the end though, the object of the game is to score goal and win things. This whole accounting thing that has invaded the business is frustrating to say the least. Pay people what they want and be done with it, as long as it doesn't leed to the club doing a Portsmouth I couldn't care less.

Absolutely. Martin Samuel summed it up quite nicely in answer to some philistine gooner or such blabbing on about businesses, as in football clubs, being obliged to make a profit.

Hey, Mike. Why don’t we just do away with the football altogether and have competitive accounting? That picture you paint certainly sounds fascinating. I’m sure Sky would pay considerably more than £5 billion to watch a man in a suit make all the little columns add up.

[Ted Hughes]

Some right fucking bollocks in this thread.

The idea that people saying 'that's what it costs' is stupid ?

How the fuck can it be stupid, if that's what it actually costs ? It's a fucking fact!

There is a choice of course. To keep the money & leave the squad place open or buy some more cheaper homegrown players to go in there. If that's what people want then fine.

I don't. I would have liked us to get some of our academy kids involved last season in case some took to it & filled that role, but we didn't so it's an empty space in the squad.

So that's the choice: keep the money, buy cheap, or pay big for soneone like Sterling.

Don't start bullshitting about signing fucking world class players for that price, because for one, we can't unless they are available & two, we are trying to.

And guess what; if/when we sign them, we have a bunch of homegrown gaps in the squad & we have the choice of leaving holes in the squad, buying cheap players, or paying the money for people like Sterling.

That's the choice. The rest, is fucking shite, muddying the debate.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

Some right fucking bollocks in this thread.

The idea that people saying 'that's what it costs' is stupid ?

How the fuck can it be stupid, if that's what it actually costs ? It's a fucking fact!

There is a choice of course. To keep the money & leave the squad place open or buy some more cheaper homegrown players to go in there. If that's what people want then fine.

I don't. I would have liked us to get some of our academy kids involved last season in case some took to it & filled that role, but we didn't so it's an empty space in the squad.

So that's the choice: keep the money, buy cheap, or pay big for soneone like Sterling.

Don't start bullshitting about signing fucking world class players for that price, because for one, we can't unless they are available & two, we are trying to.

And guess what; if/when we sign them, we have a bunch of homegrown gaps in the squad & we have the choice of leaving holes in the squad, buying cheap players, or paying the money for people like Sterling.

That's the choice. The rest, is fucking shite, muddying the debate.

The choice is not and never will be sterling, kids or nothing. That's your opinion shouted and repeated as fact.

For that to be true you'd need to be assuming that's our only business of the window. What's to stop us fucking off jovetic and bringing in a home grown player later? What's to stop us off loading 3-4 players and promoting one or two and buying a couple? The point some of us have tried to make is that we feel 50m could possibly buy us better if we weren't obsessed with him being homegrown. Now the plan may include him and that's obviously not gonna change no matter what I say, but despite 3-4 silly transfer fees in recent years, better players (in my opinion) can and do still move for smaller fees. The market is going up and sure we're minted, but if you'd told me even 6 months ago that our 1st 50m pound player would be the gobshite that told Brendan steady Id have face palmed then as I'm doing now. You can disagree all you like, but please stop telling everyone that your opinion is fact.

[Original Dub]

Some right fucking bollocks in this thread.

The idea that people saying 'that's what it costs' is stupid ?

How the fuck can it be stupid, if that's what it actually costs ? It's a fucking fact!

There is a choice of course. To keep the money & leave the squad place open or buy some more cheaper homegrown players to go in there. If that's what people want then fine.

I don't. I would have liked us to get some of our academy kids involved last season in case some took to it & filled that role, but we didn't so it's an empty space in the squad.

So that's the choice: keep the money, buy cheap, or pay big for soneone like Sterling.

Don't start bullshitting about signing fucking world class players for that price, because for one, we can't unless they are available & two, we are trying to.

And guess what; if/when we sign them, we have a bunch of homegrown gaps in the squad & we have the choice of leaving holes in the squad, buying cheap players, or paying the money for people like Sterling.

That's the choice. The rest, is fucking shite, muddying the debate.

My thoughts pretty much.

[Tesl]

I swear Ted is the only person that consistently posts sensible accurate things. Everyone else on this board posts some right rubbish sometimes.

Sterling is worth a lot because he would already improve our first team and is only 20, its not only potential we would be paying for.

He probably isn't worth 50, and I hate seeing Liverpool fans happy so hope we can get him for less, but at the end of the day I want to see our squad as good as possible and winning things. I don't give a shit about how much it costs, its not my money that is being spent.

I think Sterling would be a cracking signing and I really hope it happens.

[Mase]

I swear Ted is the only person that consistently posts sensible accurate things. Everyone else on this board posts some right rubbish sometimes.

So fuck off then. No one will miss you.