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Pride in Battle

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:21 am
by Wonderwall
OK I would like to know how many of you know the latin for it, I know most of you will do, but I think there may be many like this guy!

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Re: Pride in Battle

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:40 am
by CTID Hants
I put the top one but having looked closer at the badge the a in superbia compared to the proeli..... It's actualt an O.

My brother learnt Latin in school, which I always thought was pretty pointless, that said the school was run by salesian priests.

Re: Pride in Battle

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:46 am
by Foreverinbluedreams
Isn't proelia the plural of proelio?

Hence the tat reads 'pride in battles'. Works just as well really.

Re: Pride in Battle

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:01 pm
by sheblue
not great with the old latin these days myself, but its a nice tattoo...

Re: Pride in Battle

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:58 pm
by Dameerto
CTID Hants wrote:I put the top one but having looked closer at the badge the a in superbia compared to the proeli..... It's actualt an O.

My brother learnt Latin in school, which I always thought was pretty pointless, that said the school was run by salesian priests.

The comprehensive school I attended used to be a Grammar school several decades before, and some habbits carried over - one of them was Latin lesssons, so I ended up opting for a Latin 'o' level. (I quite enjoyed it at the time).

Re: Pride in Battle

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:57 pm
by DoomMerchant
sheblue wrote:not great with the old latin these days myself, but its a nice tattoo...


It's an absolute bollox tat unless some cunt has done it in prison.

My belief about tats is that you put artwork on your body. The propensity for people to put suite cursive writing on themselves is just criminal.

Cheers

Re: Pride in Battle

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:03 pm
by Mikhail Chigorin
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:Isn't proelia the plural of proelio?

Hence the tat reads 'pride in battles'. Works just as well really.


Racking my brains to remember some of the Latin I learned at school and I seem to recall that the word battle is 'proelium' (same declension as 'bellum') and that 'in battle' then ought to be 'in proelium'. However, the City motto seems to be using either the dative or the ablative case ('proelio') so the plural of those ought to be 'proeliis'.

Having said all that, I wouldn't put any money on my old, fading memory being correct and, depending on the case used, you could well be right about 'proelia' being a plural.

At the end of the day, City will have obtained a Latin expert to devise the motto, so what I'm saying is probably 100% garbage and I've now no idea why I even posted these thoughts, so just ignore me.

Re: Pride in Battle

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:24 pm
by Beefymcfc
Who the fuck learns latin at school? I was made to study French, German and Spanish but never understood why I would holiday outside of Spain!

Twats!

Re: Pride in Battle

PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:06 am
by Tokyo Blue
Aha ha.

proelium means battle.

in proelio means in battle. It is in plus the ablative form, used to describe situations. in is also used with the accusative when motion/change of state is involved, eg. walk into a room, but that is not the case here. So the ablative it is.

So the bloke has got it wrong. Shame that.

Re: Pride in Battle

PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:08 am
by Tokyo Blue
Beefymcfc wrote:Who the fuck learns latin at school? I was made to study French, German and Spanish but never understood why I would holiday outside of Spain!

Twats!

I did. It was very interesting. And useful too, given the other stuff I wanted to study.

Re: Pride in Battle

PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:14 am
by BlueinBosnia
Beefymcfc wrote:Who the fuck learns latin at school? I was made to study French, German and Spanish but never understood why I would holiday outside of Spain!

Twats!

I have GCSEs in Spanish and Welsh, but my Latin is better than either (I can read grave inscriptions and bits and bobs on pieces of art). However, my 'holiday' Spanish and Welsh are perfectly fine, largely because I'd never dream of conversing with the locals in either country.

Re: Pride in Battle

PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:30 am
by Mase
BlueinBosnia wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:Who the fuck learns latin at school? I was made to study French, German and Spanish but never understood why I would holiday outside of Spain!

Twats!

I have GCSEs in Spanish and Welsh, but my Latin is better than either (I can read grave inscriptions and bits and bobs on pieces of art). However, my 'holiday' Spanish and Welsh are perfectly fine, largely because I'd never dream of conversing with the locals in either country.


Be honest, when you saw that tattoo did you shit your pants and call 999 straight away?

Re: Pride in Battle

PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:03 am
by Ted Hughes
Tokyo Blue wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:Who the fuck learns latin at school? I was made to study French, German and Spanish but never understood why I would holiday outside of Spain!

Twats!

I did. It was very interesting. And useful too, given the other stuff I wanted to study.


I wish I'd learned Latin.

I'm more likely to spend time with dead Romans than with the French.

From the Guardian: Manchester City's motto is "Superbia in proelia," which as every Latin scholar knows means "Pride in battle"

Mail: Modern versions include the Latin motto ‘Superbia in Proelio’

Answers.com: What is the Manchester City Latin motto and what does it mean? 'Superbia in Praelia' it means 'Pride in Battle'.

Famouslogos.net : Manchester City’s motto, “Superbia in proelia” is mentioned on the bottom of the logo, which is a Latin word meaning “Pride in battle”.

Footymad.com: The latin wording on the badge (Superbia in Proelia) merely translates as ..... 'Pride in Battle'.

From the OS: 1997 City unveil a new club badge. This new design features the Latin motto “Superbia in proelio” meaning ‘Pride in battle’.

Re: Pride in Battle

PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:24 am
by BlueinBosnia
Official club crest:
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The final letter looks more like the first 'o' in 'ProeliX' than the 'a' in Superbia'

Re: Pride in Battle

PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:43 pm
by Dameerto
Looks like an o to me, I can see why it would be taken to be an a on first glance though.

Re: Pride in Battle

PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:56 pm
by Blue Since 76
Romanus eunt domus

Re: Pride in Battle

PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:13 pm
by iwasthere2012
Blue Since 76 wrote:Romanus eunt domus

Romani ite domum.
Now write it out one hundred times.

Re: Pride in Battle

PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:03 pm
by Mikhail Chigorin
iwasthere2012 wrote:
Blue Since 76 wrote:Romanus eunt domus

Romani ite domum.
Now write it out one hundred times.


Our Latin teacher was a right so-and-so and had a different way of rectifying any errors.

In class, if he asked anyone to translate a phrase, or whatever, out loud and they got it wrong, he used to stand above them and slap the palm of his hand down, repeatedly, on the top of their heads whilst eyeballing everyone in the class and telling them 'ad nauseam' where the miscreant had gone astray.

One day, one lad was receiving this treatment and as the Latin teacher's hand was descending yet again to make contact with his skull, the idiot stuck his fountain pen in the air and the Latin teacher's hand was duly and painfully speared, much to the amusement of the class........


I got six strokes of the cane from the headmaster, three on each hand, for that little ploy.

Re: Pride in Battle

PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:09 pm
by iwasthere2012
Mikhail Chigorin wrote:
iwasthere2012 wrote:
Blue Since 76 wrote:Romanus eunt domus

Romani ite domum.
Now write it out one hundred times.


Our Latin teacher was a right so-and-so and had a different way of rectifying any errors.

In class, if he asked anyone to translate a phrase, or whatever, out loud and they got it wrong, he used to stand above them and slap the palm of his hand down, repeatedly, on the top of their heads whilst eyeballing everyone in the class and telling them 'ad nauseam' where the miscreant had gone astray.

One day, one lad was receiving this treatment and as the Latin teacher's hand was descending yet again to make contact with his skull, the idiot stuck his fountain pen in the air and the Latin teacher's hand was duly and painfully speared, much to the amusement of the class........


I got six strokes of the cane from the headmaster, three on each hand, for that little ploy.

We had an English teacher that used to do that with a book.

Re: Pride in Battle

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:52 am
by MilnersJaw
I want to learn polish so I can tell my neighbours to stop taking jobs I could be doing.