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Yaya might just be the problem running down the spine of the team and he may also be the reason why Komps has lost his head. The whole cake gate thing must have really fucked off the likes of Zaba and Komps. All that fuss and he just walks into the team. Half arsed performances and turning his brilliance on when he feels like it and..... he stays in the team. It would certainly fuck off the players who give their all. Could also be partly why Milner is stalling on signing.

Don't get me wrong when he does decide to turn it on and goes on his no stopping runs towards goal he his one of the best in the Prem by a mile. He isn't showing this at all since coming back from Acon.

We also need a general in the middle of the field. wonder if it would be better pushing Yaya further forward and Komps into Def mid. Would take some pressure off Komps and allow him to rally the troops in the middle of the park and give Yay as old legs less tracking back to do.

I do think Yaya has a couple more years in him but not in his current role. This season has took his toll (Cakegate, Brother's death, WC, ACoN etc) but I still think he's got a role to play.

Unless he's off to Inter, then he can fuck right off the cunt!

ruralblue wrote:We also need a general in the middle of the field. wonder if it would be better pushing Yaya further forward and Komps into Def mid. Would take some pressure off Komps and allow him to rally the troops in the middle of the park and give Yay as old legs less tracking back to do.

Very recently Doomie and myself were discussing this particular option as being something worth trying (starting with the next pre-season's games), just to see if it had any value or merit.

Didn't meet with universal approval though - in fact it didn't meet with much approval at all.

ruralblue wrote:Yaya might just be the problem running down the spine of the team and he may also be the reason why Komps has lost his head. The whole cake gate thing must have really fucked off the likes of Zaba and Komps. All that fuss and he just walks into the team. Half arsed performances and turning his brilliance on when he feels like it and..... he stays in the team. It would certainly fuck off the players who give their all. Could also be partly why Milner is stalling on signing.

Don't get me wrong when he does decide to turn it on and goes on his no stopping runs towards goal he his one of the best in the Prem by a mile. He isn't showing this at all since coming back from Acon.

He didn't show anything the first couple of months of the this season either which caused huge debate on the back of cake gate , amazing lack of will to win and urgency from a world class player who was truly sensational for us last season . He has absolutely took the piss this season .

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:

ruralblue wrote:We also need a general in the middle of the field. wonder if it would be better pushing Yaya further forward and Komps into Def mid. Would take some pressure off Komps and allow him to rally the troops in the middle of the park and give Yay as old legs less tracking back to do.

Very recently Doomie and myself were discussing this particular option as being something worth trying (starting with the next pre-season's games), just to see if it had any value or merit.

Didn't meet with universal approval though - in fact it didn't meet with much approval at all.

In one month, Vinnie will be 29 years old, at this stage it is almost impossible to change the profile of a player. That is not a solution, after all these years playing as a defender, he will need at least one year and a half to understand his new role. At first he will be very sloppy, he will be a target for many teams.

Move him there and he will be the most hated player on this forum.

PeterParker wrote:

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:

ruralblue wrote:We also need a general in the middle of the field. wonder if it would be better pushing Yaya further forward and Komps into Def mid. Would take some pressure off Komps and allow him to rally the troops in the middle of the park and give Yay as old legs less tracking back to do.

Very recently Doomie and myself were discussing this particular option as being something worth trying (starting with the next pre-season's games), just to see if it had any value or merit.

Didn't meet with universal approval though - in fact it didn't meet with much approval at all.

In one month, Vinnie will be 29 years old, at this stage it is almost impossible to change the profile of a player. That is not a solution, after all these years playing as a defender, he will need at least one year and a half to understand his new role. At first he will be very sloppy, he will be a target for many teams.

Move him there and he will be the most hated player on this forum.

He single handedly has cost us the title this year due to his fuckups and if that wasn't enough to hate him then his continued interviews make me want to punch the fuckign TV.

I want him gone , hes fuckign shit.

PeterParker wrote:

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:

ruralblue wrote:We also need a general in the middle of the field. wonder if it would be better pushing Yaya further forward and Komps into Def mid. Would take some pressure off Komps and allow him to rally the troops in the middle of the park and give Yay as old legs less tracking back to do.

Very recently Doomie and myself were discussing this particular option as being something worth trying (starting with the next pre-season's games), just to see if it had any value or merit.

Didn't meet with universal approval though - in fact it didn't meet with much approval at all.

In one month, Vinnie will be 29 years old, at this stage it is almost impossible to change the profile of a player. That is not a solution, after all these years playing as a defender, he will need at least one year and a half to understand his new role. At first he will be very sloppy, he will be a target for many teams.

Move him there and he will be the most hated player on this forum.

absolute bollox. He's probably played more of his career since he started playing this game as a MF than a CB i would bet.

Move him up, move Yaya up if we won't sell...sell Nasri. Promote Denayer to Vince's spot. Try it the fuck out. Partner Yaya as a No 10 with a striker and let Dave keep roaming. Let Fernandinho partner Kompany and then add a Reus or Isco or Pogba....then we just need a fucking actual LB and we're laffing.

4-3-3, 4-4-2, 4-2-2-1-1, 4-2-3-1 fucking. whatever. you call it.

cheers

Kompany isnt good on the ball. That's the huge gaping flaw in that plan.

Jason Denayer would be miles better in that role imo.

Anyone notice what happened when City ever managed to string a few passes together last night ? Or when Shalke did v Real Madrid ?

Ans: they ran straight through Barca/Real respectively & could easily have scored on several occasions.

Kompay meanwhile, was up against Messi, Neymar & Suarez with no cover whatsoever.

Make him available, & both of those will be in for him, along with Bayern, Chelsea & probably PSG.

Ted Hughes wrote:Jason Denayer would be miles better in that role imo.

Anyone notice what happened when City ever managed to string a few passes together last night ? Or when Shalke did v Real Madrid ?

Ans: they ran straight through Barca/Real respectively & could easily have scored on several occasions.

Kompay meanwhile, was up against Messi, Neymar & Suarez with no cover whatsoever.

Make him available, & both of those will be in for him, along with Bayern, Chelsea & probably PSG.

Bayern was a fluke, roma are not all that, Barca ends this phase, Yaya we need for 2 months sfter that the 'Spaniards and Pellers can jump on a plane and explain this season to the boss, good luck with that".........

Say what you like but sadly he is still our most important and influential player. Completely directionless when he isn't there.

Hazy2 wrote:

Ted Hughes wrote:Jason Denayer would be miles better in that role imo.

Anyone notice what happened when City ever managed to string a few passes together last night ? Or when Shalke did v Real Madrid ?

Ans: they ran straight through Barca/Real respectively & could easily have scored on several occasions.

Kompay meanwhile, was up against Messi, Neymar & Suarez with no cover whatsoever.

Make him available, & both of those will be in for him, along with Bayern, Chelsea & probably PSG.

Bayern was a fluke, roma are not all that, Barca ends this phase, Yaya we need for 2 months sfter that the 'Spaniards and Pellers can jump on a plane and explain this season to the boss, good luck with that".........

I think you've probably missed my point Jason Lee style there, or are replying to voices in your head...

DoomMerchant wrote:

PeterParker wrote:

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:

ruralblue wrote:We also need a general in the middle of the field. wonder if it would be better pushing Yaya further forward and Komps into Def mid. Would take some pressure off Komps and allow him to rally the troops in the middle of the park and give Yay as old legs less tracking back to do.

Very recently Doomie and myself were discussing this particular option as being something worth trying (starting with the next pre-season's games), just to see if it had any value or merit.

Didn't meet with universal approval though - in fact it didn't meet with much approval at all.

In one month, Vinnie will be 29 years old, at this stage it is almost impossible to change the profile of a player. That is not a solution, after all these years playing as a defender, he will need at least one year and a half to understand his new role. At first he will be very sloppy, he will be a target for many teams.

Move him there and he will be the most hated player on this forum.

absolute bollox. He's probably played more of his career since he started playing this game as a MF than a CB i would bet.

Move him up, move Yaya up if we won't sell...sell Nasri. Promote Denayer to Vince's spot. Try it the fuck out. Partner Yaya as a No 10 with a striker and let Dave keep roaming. Let Fernandinho partner Kompany and then add a Reus or Isco or Pogba....then we just need a fucking actual LB and we're laffing.

4-3-3, 4-4-2, 4-2-2-1-1, 4-2-3-1 fucking. whatever. you call it.

cheers

Where are you getting that from Doomie? He made it at Anderlecht as a centre back that occasionally played defensive midfield, he was brought to Hamburg as Van Buyten's replacement, played centre back mostly when he wasn't injured and then joined City and played as a defensive mid until Mancini came in and put him back in his natural position.

I recall the bollox at the time praising Mancini for moving him back into defence and remember thinking why the fuck wouldn't he? That's his position.

I called Doomy and MC deluded the last time they suggested this. That was perhaps a tad mean, but trying to convert Kompany to a midfielder would not be a clever move. The guy is short of confidence and is struggling with the ball at his feet, and you think he would flourish in a role where he constantly will get the ball with his back to the opponents with no clue of what's happening around/behind him?

I wouldn't mind but we don't even play a defensive mid in our system.

mr_nool wrote:I called Doomy and MC deluded the last time they suggested this. That was perhaps a tad mean, but trying to convert Kompany to a midfielder would not be a clever move. The guy is short of confidence and is struggling with the ball at his feet, and you think he would flourish in a role where he constantly will get the ball with his back to the opponents with no clue of what's happening around/behind him?

So we get rid of VK, replace him with someone to partner Fern1 (Fern 2 perhaps?), do all the other stuff DM just suggested and we're laffing.

So all we need to do is take Kompany out of the side to try this one out. No transfers needed - until we can get that LB.

Do it now.

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:

ruralblue wrote:We also need a general in the middle of the field. wonder if it would be better pushing Yaya further forward and Komps into Def mid. Would take some pressure off Komps and allow him to rally the troops in the middle of the park and give Yay as old legs less tracking back to do.

Very recently Doomie and myself were discussing this particular option as being something worth trying (starting with the next pre-season's games), just to see if it had any value or merit.

Didn't meet with universal approval though - in fact it didn't meet with much approval at all.

the thing is managers don't implement such radical ideas..

I've banged on that zaba can do this job better than Vince for years but Oh well...

Especially as we could use Sagna at RB.

Yaya won't be playing tomorrow. Achilles injury apparently. Milner and Kolarov out too

DoomMerchant wrote:

PeterParker wrote:

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:

ruralblue wrote:We also need a general in the middle of the field. wonder if it would be better pushing Yaya further forward and Komps into Def mid. Would take some pressure off Komps and allow him to rally the troops in the middle of the park and give Yay as old legs less tracking back to do.

Very recently Doomie and myself were discussing this particular option as being something worth trying (starting with the next pre-season's games), just to see if it had any value or merit.

Didn't meet with universal approval though - in fact it didn't meet with much approval at all.

In one month, Vinnie will be 29 years old, at this stage it is almost impossible to change the profile of a player. That is not a solution, after all these years playing as a defender, he will need at least one year and a half to understand his new role. At first he will be very sloppy, he will be a target for many teams.

Move him there and he will be the most hated player on this forum.

absolute bollox. He's probably played more of his career since he started playing this game as a MF than a CB i would bet.

Move him up, move Yaya up if we won't sell...sell Nasri. Promote Denayer to Vince's spot. Try it the fuck out. Partner Yaya as a No 10 with a striker and let Dave keep roaming. Let Fernandinho partner Kompany and then add a Reus or Isco or Pogba....then we just need a fucking actual LB and we're laffing.

4-3-3, 4-4-2, 4-2-2-1-1, 4-2-3-1 fucking. whatever. you call it.

cheers

You can't do that and you know it. Let's say you do your job perfectly, in the last 3 years, you became one of the best workers on your spot in the world, now you have issues and your boss decides to put you where you were when you started working there. What impact would that have on you.

With others i am 100 % with you, Yaya has no spot in the middle, he needs to be up front. I would use Fernandinho - Fernando, then Silva, Yaya and Navas behind one striker. The problem is that, i see Sergio having problems as a poacher. He like it when there is one man in front of him.

The problem is that there is no right answer in this. We can play 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1, the real issue is we must move Yaya from that spot. If we will keep using him there, we will keep on losing.

Speaking about Denayer, i had never seen him so far, what makes him good enough to be in our squad? Actually, did anyone remember a mistake Boyata did, beside that when he got sent off against Arse? He had decent games, but limited chances. The point is that we seem to have absolutely no strategy regarding our youth. We send players to fucksville, instead of loaning them at Premier teams or Championship one, where they can grow. Plus, we need a manager that will give them chances. Sadly, look at what eleven Pellers had in the FA and Capital one cup in the past year and a half.

All in all, no Vinnie in the middle and a box to box player that knows how to defend and ship Yaya to Paris or move him up.