***liverpool v city official match thread***

[PeterParker]

With the amount of rain in Liverpool this afternoon would had been risky to send Jojo in.

[Hazy2]

Why was Jojo not even on the bench? I missed this convo if it's happened already.

Tragic waste.

Probably injured.

Maybe his attitude in training has stank since being left of of Champs league squad? You never know what goes on behind closed doors. If that's the case we probably won't see him again

He has every right to be throwing the toys out. Easy option to flirt him and gives me the thought Pellers takes the cheap option he changed the games against Bayern has had a as good or as bad a season as many of the the set in stone picks. Pellers has made his bed and if we are fair he will be judged after Barca. Maybe not the only one looking at clearing out his locker.

[patrickblue]

Maybe I'm the only one but I'd have jojo over bony 10 times out of 10.

I was really excited about him, but so far he looks like a pub player.
Even when he had off days at Swansea you could see the quality underneath.
I think he's a Bony lookalike.

[getdressedmctavish]

Well I think Ted is in danger of deluding himself. He keeps hiding from the fact that we have now been turned over twice (three including Arsenal) by teams playing with one striker who have essentially bossed us in midfield. Then he talks about us improving when Bony came on. Really? How does someone who made not one single useful contribution improve us? Answer from a man who doesn't believe in systems will be interesting.Having a go at the analysis from men who have played and managed at the highest level is ridiculous. Counting players in a frame is even dafter. In a four five one their could be nine players in the frame... its where they are positioned and what they do that counts. That said, it aint as easy as Merson said to manage this lot. But one thing was surely obvious. If we play Dzeko, reasonable, we have to sacrifice style for guts and play Milner instead of Nasri. But what do you do about Ya Ya who basically fails to turn up for the second half..... that would drive anyone to drink. And the man says he wants to be the next director of football.....ha(Ya Ya not Ted)

[Ted Hughes]

It was them who counted players in the frame not me, so you are having a go at the eminent people you are trying to defend.. And you are right, it was fucking ridiculous seeing as the people they highlighted could have been in any formation, literally any, because their was no formation & it was no indication whatsoever of a problem being caused by 442.

Indeed had they been lined up 442 then the very problem they were talking about would not have happened as there would have been 4 in a line there.

They are talking FUCKING SHITE.

[Ted Hughes]

Oh and Milner came on, we didn't get a fucking kick, created no chances & Liverpool scored. Bony came on we created chances & almost equalised.

Call Bony as much as you like, but it's a fucking fact. That's what happened. When we moved to 5 we were worse.

That's not because 5 in midfield is a shit tactic, it's because the 5 played shit. Same problem as the 4.

[lets all have a disco]

Milner didnt want to upset his future pay masters.

[Hazy2]

Oh and Milner came on, we didn't get a fucking kick, created no chances & Liverpool scored. Bony came on we created chances & almost equalised.

Call Bony as much as you like, but it's a fucking fact. That's what happened. When we moved to 5 we were worse.

That's not because 5 in midfield is a shit tactic, it's because the 5 played shit. Same problem as the 4.

All comes back to leaderless, from the bench to the captain. passive to a point like a bad Sunday team, every fucker has ditched the plan and the point both the Sky cunts were making are the same on the screen at the Campus for them to see after each and every harsh less, Fail to prepare prepare to fail.

Tues, Messi, the best player in the world 1v1 mind blowing. Sunday Coutinio, allowed to pop up anywhere in the last third no plan for him or a an attempt to learn from the past. We saw early this season a disrespect of the ability Totti given space behind our MF, Tactics are beyond explaining, A lack of work rate and ownership of the dangers the team faces is not good enough at this level, WHAT THE FUCK DO THEY WORK ON as is finding them out week in week out, when the top teams play us. Soft manager and softer players. Cycle over for a lot of them, Manager unable to change a 1-11 that had a mare in a week in which they had all the eggs smashed, what a fuck up of a season and again failure to build on. Vinny said we will not make the same mistakeswe will be built on last season !

[Ted Hughes]

Looks to me like they worked on pressing in Liverpool's half, to stop them getting off to the usual flyer and it worked like a dream for about 7.5 mins apart from Zabba who gave the ball away something like 5 times out of 6. Aguero presses turns round gesticulates to the rest , as they are way behind.

Liverpool pass the ball straight through the middle. That was the part Carragher & Co highlighted as a failure of 442.

It's a failure of about half the team to run about.

If your all happy to set up like Sam Allardyce I'm pretty sure Pellegrini would be able to sort it for you. But that's not why he was given the job. He is trying to get the players to adapt to something higher level.

The traditional English football way, is to let Souness and Co dictate how football should
be played & burn Pellegrini as a witch rather than try to make it work.

I imagine City will stick with it. Whether that's Pellegrini, Vieira or Guardiola. I hope so anyway.

I hope they don't hand it all back to the cliched dullards & settle for being the same as all the other English teams.

[Hazy2]

Looks to me like they worked on pressing in Liverpool's half, to stop them getting off to the usual flyer and it worked like a dream for about 7.5 mins apart from Zabba who gave the ball away something like 5 times out of 6. Aguero presses turns round gesticulates to the rest , as they are way behind.

Liverpool pass the ball straight through the middle. That was the part Carragher & Co highlighted as a failure of 442.

It's a failure of about half the team to run about.

If your all happy to set up like Sam Allardyce I'm pretty sure Pellegrini would be able to sort it for you. But that's not why he was given the job. He is trying to get the players to adapt to something higher level.

The traditional English football way, is to let Souness and Co dictate how football should
be played & burn Pellegrini as a witch rather than try to make it work.

I imagine City will stick with it. Whether that's Pellegrini, Vieira or Guardiola. I hope so anyway.

I hope they don't hand it all back to the cliched dullards & settle for being the same as all the other English teams.

If you do not know the drill you get fucked. We are dire when it comes to respecting the dangers. Nothing to do with dictating. Totti ran fucking riot at our place, Cazorla did it Coutinio did it, see the fucking pattern. Stop pretending we are decimal point out. Top teams have plans to spring on us, every fucker said 2 up top v Barca would be fatal, 0-5 would have had Pellers idiotic plan in flames in 45 mins. Players and manager/ coaches are blind to the problems that the better teams present. It is plain to see one pass through the middle and our failings are exposed again and again. I stand by what I said comfy street at home we beat Liverpool away cowards

[Ted Hughes]

Looks to me like they worked on pressing in Liverpool's half, to stop them getting off to the usual flyer and it worked like a dream for about 7.5 mins apart from Zabba who gave the ball away something like 5 times out of 6. Aguero presses turns round gesticulates to the rest , as they are way behind.

Liverpool pass the ball straight through the middle. That was the part Carragher & Co highlighted as a failure of 442.

It's a failure of about half the team to run about.

If your all happy to set up like Sam Allardyce I'm pretty sure Pellegrini would be able to sort it for you. But that's not why he was given the job. He is trying to get the players to adapt to something higher level.

The traditional English football way, is to let Souness and Co dictate how football should
be played & burn Pellegrini as a witch rather than try to make it work.

I imagine City will stick with it. Whether that's Pellegrini, Vieira or Guardiola. I hope so anyway.

I hope they don't hand it all back to the cliched dullards & settle for being the same as all the other English teams.

If you do not know the drill you get fucked. We are dire when it comes to respecting the dangers. Nothing to do with dictating. Totti ran fucking riot at our place, Cazorla did it Coutinio did it, see the fucking pattern. Stop pretending we are decimal point out. Top teams have plans to spring on us, every fucker said 2 up top v Barca would be fatal, 0-5 would have had Pellers idiotic plan in flames in 45 mins. Players and manager/ coaches are blind to the problems that the better teams present. It is plain to see one pass through the middle and our failings are exposed again and again. I stand by what I said comfy street at home we beat Liverpool away cowards

And yet we are champions & 2nd in the Premier League knocked Roma out of the Champions League. We are taking lessons from fucking Arsenal ?

So it's a load of fucking horseshit that we are so easy to play against. Proven undoubted, horseshit.

We need to improve, clearly. There are various ideas as to how we can do that; 5 in the middle, 4231 433 4222 352 343 all have their merits.

None of you fuckers know which one will work best, anymore than I do.

Just that I'll admit it.

[Hazy2]

Looks to me like they worked on pressing in Liverpool's half, to stop them getting off to the usual flyer and it worked like a dream for about 7.5 mins apart from Zabba who gave the ball away something like 5 times out of 6. Aguero presses turns round gesticulates to the rest , as they are way behind.

Liverpool pass the ball straight through the middle. That was the part Carragher & Co highlighted as a failure of 442.

It's a failure of about half the team to run about.

If your all happy to set up like Sam Allardyce I'm pretty sure Pellegrini would be able to sort it for you. But that's not why he was given the job. He is trying to get the players to adapt to something higher level.

The traditional English football way, is to let Souness and Co dictate how football should
be played & burn Pellegrini as a witch rather than try to make it work.

I imagine City will stick with it. Whether that's Pellegrini, Vieira or Guardiola. I hope so anyway.

I hope they don't hand it all back to the cliched dullards & settle for being the same as all the other English teams.

If you do not know the drill you get fucked. We are dire when it comes to respecting the dangers. Nothing to do with dictating. Totti ran fucking riot at our place, Cazorla did it Coutinio did it, see the fucking pattern. Stop pretending we are decimal point out. Top teams have plans to spring on us, every fucker said 2 up top v Barca would be fatal, 0-5 would have had Pellers idiotic plan in flames in 45 mins. Players and manager/ coaches are blind to the problems that the better teams present. It is plain to see one pass through the middle and our failings are exposed again and again. I stand by what I said comfy street at home we beat Liverpool away cowards

And yet we are champions & 2nd in the Premier League knocked Roma out of the Champions League. We are taking lessons from fucking Arsenal ?

So it's a load of fucking horseshit that we are so easy to play against. Proven undoubted, horseshit.

We need to improve, clearly. There are various ideas as to how we can do that; 5 in the middle, 4231 433 4222 352 343 all have their merits.

None of you fuckers know which one will work best, anymore than I do.

Just that I'll admit it.

Our season has fell apart, lessons are not beIng learned and the Holistic B.S looks like it is garbage, No fight no work ethic and and out worked on Sunday are plain to see. Season in tatters.

[Ted Hughes]

Season is not looking good. Shit happens.

Holistic reference is a longer term project referring to the whole club right down to the junior teams not a two season thing talking about the first team. Using it as a stick to beat the club with is very unfair imo & shouldn't happen unless there is evidence to suggest it is failling at the youth levels. I don't see that evidence.

If however Pellegrini or the next manager doesn't start making an effort to bring through kids in the coming seasons then it can be seen as starting to fail & the manager imo should be fired.

[Hazy2]

Season is not looking good. Shit happens.

Holistic reference is a longer term project referring to the whole club right down to the junior teams not a two season thing talking about the first team. Using it as a stick to beat the club with is very unfair imo & shouldn't happen unless there is evidence to suggest it is failling at the youth levels. I don't see that evidence.

If however Pellegrini or the next manager doesn't start making an effort to bring through kids in the coming seasons then it can be seen as starting to fail & the manager imo should be fired.

I do not trust them now sad to say they are not as good as we thought.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Season is not looking good. Shit happens.

Holistic reference is a longer term project referring to the whole club right down to the junior teams not a two season thing talking about the first team. Using it as a stick to beat the club with is very unfair imo & shouldn't happen unless there is evidence to suggest it is failling at the youth levels. I don't see that evidence.

If however Pellegrini or the next manager doesn't start making an effort to bring through kids in the coming seasons then it can be seen as starting to fail & the manager imo should be fired.

I don't agree.

He should be fired end of this season for NOT bringing in any kids whatsoever this fuckign season (Among other reasons to be fired), remember we went out with a whimper in the FA and Carling cups...he used just about fuckign no one from the youth set up and that's a sack able offence for me given the way the season has gone.

Given his shit signings and Mangala being the fuckign worst one (No matter what you see in him , hes fuckign SHITE so far) overall we have zero value for money...maybe he should pop down to Chelsea and see how they do it...he can take the 2 Spanish dudes with him whilst hes at it....hes over spent by probably 60 odd million..Fernando and Mangala..no upgrade on before and that's criminal.

I do not see any improvement for next season with him at the helm , he will persist with his mentality.

[Ted Hughes]

Season is not looking good. Shit happens.

Holistic reference is a longer term project referring to the whole club right down to the junior teams not a two season thing talking about the first team. Using it as a stick to beat the club with is very unfair imo & shouldn't happen unless there is evidence to suggest it is failling at the youth levels. I don't see that evidence.

If however Pellegrini or the next manager doesn't start making an effort to bring through kids in the coming seasons then it can be seen as starting to fail & the manager imo should be fired.

I don't agree.

He should be fired end of this season for NOT bringing in any kids whatsoever this fuckign season (Among other reasons to be fired), remember we went out with a whimper in the FA and Carling cups...he used just about fuckign no one from the youth set up and that's a sack able offence for me given the way the season has gone.

Given his shit signings and Mangala being the fuckign worst one (No matter what you see in him , hes fuckign SHITE so far) overall we have zero value for money...maybe he should pop down to Chelsea and see how they do it...he can take the 2 Spanish dudes with him whilst hes at it....hes over spent by probably 60 odd million..Fernando and Mangala..no upgrade on before and that's criminal.

I do not see any improvement for next season with him at the helm , he will persist with his mentality.

Not playing the kids this season is not a sackable offence. That's mental. I would strongly have urged him to give some a chance, but only to get them experience & see if one or two made a sudden jump in standard.

Next season however, they are all that bit older & without a doubt some would get a game here & there if they were at another club be that rags, Arsenal Liverpool . If Pellegrini is sacked however, if's very unlikely any will unless the manager who replaces him is ordered to & told his job is safe.

And if Pellegrini is sacked, then it pretty much sets in stone the theory that any manager who doesn't win the league every year gets fired.

Not a great tempter for the top managers.

[Hazy2]

Season is not looking good. Shit happens.

Holistic reference is a longer term project referring to the whole club right down to the junior teams not a two season thing talking about the first team. Using it as a stick to beat the club with is very unfair imo & shouldn't happen unless there is evidence to suggest it is failling at the youth levels. I don't see that evidence.

If however Pellegrini or the next manager doesn't start making an effort to bring through kids in the coming seasons then it can be seen as starting to fail & the manager imo should be fired.

I don't agree.

He should be fired end of this season for NOT bringing in any kids whatsoever this fuckign season (Among other reasons to be fired), remember we went out with a whimper in the FA and Carling cups...he used just about fuckign no one from the youth set up and that's a sack able offence for me given the way the season has gone.

Given his shit signings and Mangala being the fuckign worst one (No matter what you see in him , hes fuckign SHITE so far) overall we have zero value for money...maybe he should pop down to Chelsea and see how they do it...he can take the 2 Spanish dudes with him whilst hes at it....hes over spent by probably 60 odd million..Fernando and Mangala..no upgrade on before and that's criminal.

I do not see any improvement for next season with him at the helm , he will persist with his mentality.

Not playing the kids this season is not a sackable offence. That's mental. I would strongly have urged him to give some a chance, but only to get them experience & see if one or two made a sudden jump in standard.

Next season however, they are all that bit older & without a doubt some would get a game here & there if they were at another club be that rags, Arsenal Liverpool . If Pellegrini is sacked however, if's very unlikely any will unless the manager who replaces him is ordered to & told his job is safe.

And if Pellegrini is sacked, then it pretty much sets in stone the theory that any manager who doesn't win the league every year gets fired.

Not a great tempter for the top managers.

Maybe, but rotating and arsing about with the squad and failing to sort out issues which were always gonna bite us is rank stupidity, taking the piss with the domestic cups? Review at the end of the season god help him !

[Wonderwall]

Season is not looking good. Shit happens.

Holistic reference is a longer term project referring to the whole club right down to the junior teams not a two season thing talking about the first team. Using it as a stick to beat the club with is very unfair imo & shouldn't happen unless there is evidence to suggest it is failling at the youth levels. I don't see that evidence.

If however Pellegrini or the next manager doesn't start making an effort to bring through kids in the coming seasons then it can be seen as starting to fail & the manager imo should be fired.

I don't agree.

He should be fired end of this season for NOT bringing in any kids whatsoever this fuckign season (Among other reasons to be fired), remember we went out with a whimper in the FA and Carling cups...he used just about fuckign no one from the youth set up and that's a sack able offence for me given the way the season has gone.

Given his shit signings and Mangala being the fuckign worst one (No matter what you see in him , hes fuckign SHITE so far) overall we have zero value for money...maybe he should pop down to Chelsea and see how they do it...he can take the 2 Spanish dudes with him whilst hes at it....hes over spent by probably 60 odd million..Fernando and Mangala..no upgrade on before and that's criminal.

I do not see any improvement for next season with him at the helm , he will persist with his mentality.

Not playing the kids this season is not a sackable offence. That's mental. I would strongly have urged him to give some a chance, but only to get them experience & see if one or two made a sudden jump in standard.

Next season however, they are all that bit older & without a doubt some would get a game here & there if they were at another club be that rags, Arsenal Liverpool . If Pellegrini is sacked however, if's very unlikely any will unless the manager who replaces him is ordered to & told his job is safe.

And if Pellegrini is sacked, then it pretty much sets in stone the theory that any manager who doesn't win the league every year gets fired.

Not a great tempter for the top managers.

Maybe, but rotating and arsing about with the squad and failing to sort out issues which were always gonna bite us is rank stupidity, taking the piss with the domestic cups? Review at the end of the season god help him !

Difference between Pellers and Rodgers on kids!

Rodgers send out Jordan Ibe on load to a championship side, sees he is playing excellent and getting rave reviews and believes he can do a job for them so brings him back to the first team and hands him his chance, which he has taken and looked very impressive (glad he was injured yesterday).

Pellers sends Denayer out on loan to a team in European competition and challenging for titles, he has also ripped up trees and has half of Glasgow loving him and wanting him to sign and is probably going to get POTY if he keeps it up. We have ridiculous issues with our centre backs and Pellers watches on and doesnt take the bull by the horns.

[Ted Hughes]

We are not allowed to bring back Denayer or Lopes.

[Wonderwall]

We are not allowed to bring back Denayer or Lopes.

We can, we would just be financially penalised