zuricity wrote:Im_Spartacus wrote:Abu Dhabi wrote:Im_Spartacus wrote:On a practical level, this World Cup's economic implications are scarily widespread for those who rely on summer holiday trade around Europe. If a million match goers in the UK decided not to take a holiday that year, the knock on effects around Europe would be huge. The alternative is the effect on clubs not getting their regular gate money for those who do choose to go on holiday.
Whichever way you look at it, somebody loses out big time whilst the FIFA execs coin it in, and Abu Dhabi's view is just a little too simplistic
I see, its about tourism economics then.
Is my view too simplistic, or are you a little bit exaggerating what will a month world cup do to the world economy?
Economy is a game of balance, an event might take some things out and put some things in some place, and do the same to other places.
For the purpose of discussion, in theory, let us assume there are a million UK constant match goers / foreign holiday makers, which I believe there aren't, you could argue that keeping them home will either increase domestic expenditure or increase personal saving rates, which wont do the UK any harm.
In practice though, how many of them will actually cancel their holidays because of this? And at worst scenario, how many will find it difficult to skip just the first game of the season to make it work?
On the other hand, if your worry is clubs gates receipts if the million people left the country, I could argue that there is potential alternative demand for summer premier league games.
Thats of course with the assumption that local demand will decrease, something I dont believe will be that significant.
Moreover, in worst case scenario, clubs might decide to decrease prices to counter that fall in demand, which isnt bad considering all the complaints about prices these days, with the consistent increase in income for clubs from other sources. This is still in theory though, and for a one off event.
Now if your absolute worry is actually the effect on European tourism, then I could argue the same for each individual country. But the fact is, football match goers isnt the make or break of the tourism market, and if they were, I will still argue that those never-miss-a-game chunk of match goers will then find some time in winter to travel instead, balancing it a bit for some tourist destinations.
I am not denying that it is a modification, but I just cant see the point of discussing such minor issues as if it is the crisis to be in 7 years time.
FIFA is corrupt alright, but it amazes me how we could for an example make the FA an angel one day, and corrupt the other day for domestic football purposes.
I guess my point is, the world cup wont effect your life standard in 7 years time. Politicians, banks, and big corporations will though, and there is no doubt that corruption runs through the veins of many of them, anywhere in the world.
Fucking hell, you're going from one extreme to the other here.
Firstly, the average home attendance of the premier league clubs last season was 35,000. Multiply that by 20 teams, and you have 700,000 regular matchgoers right there, before you even start on the other divisions. It's well over a million, just in England. Conservatively, I'd assume that getting on for 3-5 million people will be affected in Europe's top 4 or 5 leagues alone.
Secondly, people will most likely go on holiday as their family is, for most a priority over City. There is very little choice in the matter of when you take your holiday as parents are fined now for taking their kids out of school outside of school holiday times. As a result, season ticket holders will be a minimum of 1 game down, just because of the winter world cup. Is that fair, just to line FIFA's pockets?
There is talk from the Peterborough chairman, that smaller clubs are likely to have cash flow issues, and it's not hard to see why when larger proportions of lower league fans pay cash on the day. If you are struggling to get by, and all of a sudden your attendance drops by 15-20% for a sustained period of 7 weeks in the summer holidays, that's a big problem for them. It's not as simple as reducing prices for smaller clubs to attract new people though. Support in the lower leagues is dire, the clubs do loads of offers to try and get casual fans to go to the ground, but the pubs are full on a Saturday of people watching the premier league, however you dropped the price would not bring enough people through the gate to make up for the lost revenue.
I don't understand why you feel this is simply a minor inconvenience......it's a change to the way football has been played in Europe for the last 100 fucking years, and there is a whole economy built around summer holidays and winter football! I'm certainly not being precious about tradition, perhaps you think this is the issue. It's not! Lots of people across Europe are gonna get fucked in the arse, it's almost certain to be the fans of big clubs as most have season tickets that will go unused, and it could well be a nightmare for smaller clubs as well.
Average 35K by 10 games a week is 350k, watching any games live per weekend.
Don't forget the lower leagues.
Anyway, in an earlier post you mentioned you were one mile away from two of the Stadia.
So are they just going to always be empty, even if the WC gets played there ? what a senseless waste of resources. Or is John BonJovi pencelled in for a residence at the Sands of Qatar?
Everything about the Qatar 2022 WC Stinks..... and it' s not because of lack of water .
I was talking about match going fans of each club, not how many go each week. There are 20 teams, so 700,000
From what I understand, certainly the education city stadium they have just announced is slated to be reduced in size from 40,000 down to about 25,000 after the tournament and retained for the use of the university there. I expect similar with the others they are building. I don't know what their big plan is, but in a number of cases the stadiums which are left as legacies will simply be turned over to the sports clubs. (Who already have newish, but smaller stadia. Yep, they will be mostly empty, much of the time though, but they do still harbour serious hopes of getting the Olympics at some point in the future and no doubt with the facilities will bid for the Asian cup and other regional events.
For people who keep saying that people are dying on the World Cup stadium projects, that's simply not true by the way. There is only one actually being worked on at the moment, and that's a redesign of the current national stadium which only a small number of people are working on currently. The designs for the others are only just being finalised. The deaths which are reported in Qatar are down to the fact that there are over 1,000,000 labourers grafting on various projects such as the metro, the roads, the new city north of Doha, office buildings, hotels etc, all of which were being built regardless of the World Cup as the infrastructure was really creaking here a year or two back.
Safety standards clearly aren't perfect, and there is of course the issue with not being able to leave the country freely (and I do agree with some of the reasons behind that rule), but to put it into perspective, in the uk the long term workplace death rate per 100,000 workers is 0.56, it's actually lower than this believe it or not in qatar.
It's hitting the news because of the sheer number of labourers in the country, and in fact the real news story is that the majority of people aren't dying of workplace accidents, but seemingly because of heart attacks (curiously mostly affecting Nepalis) which nobody seems able to explain. But even if all these unexplained deaths were included in the workplace statistic, it would be 5 out of every 100,000.....and you can't compare that to the British figure because every one of those is doing hard physical graft, the British stats include office jobs etc.
I'm certainly no apologist for the Qatari regime, but I'd just caution folk to look a little behind the screaming tabloid headlines before you believe everything you read or see on the telly.
