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We have been blaming our managers for 40 years. Please, no more! The players are not good enough. The squad we took to the World Cup was easily the worst I have seen. I know england are not the worst team in the world but we are a long way short of being contenders.[/quote]

I agree with you. It's all relative. I think that's a realistic evaluation. Your not top tier. You're certainly better than some of the teams you've had over the last 40 years.
I always thought English supporters expected more out of a mediocre bunch than we would over here if we had the same bunch.
You can go far in a tournament with well organised decent players. Ireland reached a world cup quarter final playing a very limited brand of football with a half decent bunch of players. Some people over here still complain that the football was shite though.
Does the end justify the means.
I think you have a bunch of players that could be taken a lot further than they have shown so far. They will not play like Spain/Germany though, no matter how you wish they would.
At least you try to play football.

iwasthere2012 wrote:We have been blaming our managers for 40 years. Please, no more! The players are not good enough. The squad we took to the World Cup was easily the worst I have seen. I know england are not the worst team in the world but we are a long way short of being contenders.

I agree with you. It's all relative. I think that's a realistic evaluation. Your not top tier. You're certainly better than some of the teams you've had over the last 40 years.
I always thought English supporters expected more out of a mediocre bunch than we would over here if we had the same bunch.
You can go far in a tournament with well organised decent players. Ireland reached a world cup quarter final playing a very limited brand of football with a half decent bunch of players. Some people over here still complain that the football was shite though.
Does the end justify the means.
I think you have a bunch of players that could be taken a lot further than they have shown so far. They will not play like Spain/Germany though, no matter how you wish they would.
At least you try to play football.[/quote]
I'm not sure English supporters expect more from the teams that we have had, but the media do . It's a bit unfortunate as it makes us seem arrogant but it's media building up unrealistic expectations. The influx of foreign players does not help. When I was at school the best teams came from the biggest schools....more to choose from. As for the style of football, you don't reach a world cup quarter final without talent as well as spirit.

Ted Hughes wrote:Advert on the side congratulating Rooney on 100 caps, from Mars Bars.

Probably the next one to appear will be from Benson & Hedges and another from Help The Aged.

Dominoes Pizza ?

Fucking hell what a goal from Isco. We NEED to sign this player.

iwasthere2012 wrote:I've not been on this forum long, but I've said it a couple of times already. England aren't as bad as some of you make out. Football support is tribal and I think this carries into your support of the national team.
Management is a problem but in general you do have decent players. When I say decent, bear in mind the perspective I'm coming from. Two successive Irish managers have Ireland playing the kind of shite they do, because they just don't trust that we have the players to do anything else.
England has enough players that can play something that resembles football. You've decent youth that needs to be given a chance.
At least you have hope.

I'm looking at this set of players and thinking they can actually do something with the right management. The problem with the England set-up isn't the players or management, it's the money counters behind the scenes who have made a fortune from advising the FA that it's all about money rather than winning. England are now lost to the 'Click' generation and using the media fascination to facilitate future gains.

After the disaster in Brazil, Roynow looks like he's been given the chance to change it but it's a slow process. England will always have good players and should always get to a decent position, it's just a shame that the suits have too much influence.

As for yourself, I can feel your pain. When you look at the Irish team, and what's coming through, it's hard to find a glimmer of light within the dark. Can't say much more than that, it'll depress you more.

Sideshow Bob wrote:Fucking hell what a goal from Isco. We NEED to sign this player.

The boat has sailed on that one im afraid.

lets all have a disco wrote:

Sideshow Bob wrote:Fucking hell what a goal from Isco. We NEED to sign this player.

The boat has sailed on that one im afraid.

50 mill now what a player, his balance is mind boggling. Sad for Manuel he could not pull that one off.

fellaini has yet again committed criminal assault on a football pitch. an obvious forearm/elbow on a dead run straight into the face of joe allen, who now likely has a broken nose. HOW THE FUCK DOES THIS CUNT GET AWAY WITH IT??

bbc website says

"Bale fires just wide after dribble"

Can't believe at his age he has a bladder problem.

Congrats San Marino , breaking their 61 game losing streak Even if they didn't score.

zuricity wrote:Congrats San Marino , breaking their 61 game losing streak Even if they didn't score.

61 game losing streak? Exactly the sort of team that has spoilt Ibternational football. There are far too many pointless games now

nottsblue wrote:

zuricity wrote:Congrats San Marino , breaking their 61 game losing streak Even if they didn't score.

61 game losing streak? Exactly the sort of team that has spoilt Ibternational football. There are far too many pointless games now

Ffs a perpetual loser ? be glad they give England the points they need to qualify !

What ever happened to the idea that a small team could come good and do well.

Do we have to always have adidas paid for World cups and Euro Championships ???

zuricity wrote:

nottsblue wrote:

zuricity wrote:Congrats San Marino , breaking their 61 game losing streak Even if they didn't score.

61 game losing streak? Exactly the sort of team that has spoilt Ibternational football. There are far too many pointless games now

Ffs a perpetual loser ? be glad they give England the points they need to qualify !

What ever happened to the idea that a small team could come good and do well.

Do we have to always have adidas paid for World cups and Euro Championships ???

Just think it would be better if there was a tier system. It would then mean fewer games all round and the grouping of the lower ranked sides might help them improve. Getting battered most games doesn't do anything positive. Maybe playing one another would at least give themselves hope. This format is used in other sports like cricket and rugby to good effect

South Stand Balti wrote:
I'm not sure English supporters expect more from the teams that we have had, but the media do . It's a bit unfortunate as it makes us seem arrogant but it's media building up unrealistic expectations. The influx of foreign players does not help. When I was at school the best teams came from the biggest schools....more to choose from. As for the style of football, you don't reach a world cup quarter final without talent as well as spirit.

I take your point about the media, but I don't think they really got behind them last summer.
It was like they were betting on them failing and geared their angles in the build up accordingly.
We (Ireland) did have good footballers in 1990, but the criticism from certain quarters was that they were not being allowed to play the type of game they were capable of. Jack Charlton dropped our most creative player, Liam Brady, because he didn't fit his system.
The thing is, whatever side of the argument you were on, you couldn't deny the fact that they were getting results.
Similarly with England last summer.I thought you had players that could have progressed further. I wouldn't have agreed with team selection or tactics, but everyone has their own opinions of that.
If they had got through then Roy would be a genius. You get away with a lot, as a manager, if you're winning.
I do think there is potential in your current crop of players if your manager cuts his cloth to suit his material.

South Stand Balti wrote:
I'm not sure English supporters expect more from the teams that we have had, but the media do . It's a bit unfortunate as it makes us seem arrogant but it's media building up unrealistic expectations. The influx of foreign players does not help. When I was at school the best teams came from the biggest schools....more to choose from. As for the style of football, you don't reach a world cup quarter final without talent as well as spirit.

I take your point about the media, but I don't think they really got behind them last summer.
It was like they were betting on them failing and geared their angles in the build up accordingly.
We (Ireland) did have good footballers in 1990, but the criticism from certain quarters was that they were not being allowed to play the type of game they were capable of. Jack Charlton dropped our most creative player, Liam Brady, because he didn't fit his system.
The thing is, whatever side of the argument you were on, you couldn't deny the fact that they were getting results.
Similarly with England last summer.I thought you had players that could have progressed further. I wouldn't have agreed with team selection or tactics, but everyone has their own opinions of that.
If they had got through then Roy would be a genius. You get away with a lot, as a manager, if you're winning.
I do think there is potential in your current crop of players if your manager cuts his cloth to suit his material.

Beefymcfc wrote:I'm looking at this set of players and thinking they can actually do something with the right management. The problem with the England set-up isn't the players or management, it's the money counters behind the scenes who have made a fortune from advising the FA that it's all about money rather than winning. England are now lost to the 'Click' generation and using the media fascination to facilitate future gains.

After the disaster in Brazil, Roynow looks like he's been given the chance to change it but it's a slow process. England will always have good players and should always get to a decent position, it's just a shame that the suits have too much influence.

As for yourself, I can feel your pain. When you look at the Irish team, and what's coming through, it's hard to find a glimmer of light within the dark. Can't say much more than that, it'll depress you more.

I've become immune to it now. I used to go to all the international games but myself and my mate gave up a long time ago. Not because the team weren't winning, but we got fed up with the treatment of the fans by the FAI. They had a golden era where anything to do with the Irish team was like a license to print money and they fleeced us at every opportunity and have left us with absolutely nothing to show for it.
Instead of building on it Irish football had gone backwards. They squandered the money and put no investment into grassroots. You wouldnt believe the money the CEO is on.
Still mustn't grumble.

I think Ireland have done really well over the years, to be so competitive, considering the league over there.

We, on the other hand, have made an almighty fuckup of it. When you consider how many clubs we have, how many people following the game, you look how long we have had to wake up & realise how football can be played, how many lessons we have been taught without learning anything.

And now just as it seems we are finally turning the corner, we have a TV executive in charge of the FA, who has got together with people like Danny Mills, to try & think of some drastic way to fuck it all up again.

Just to add: Scotland have had the same kind of old school fuckwits running things over there, & have barely produced a decent player in 25 years. No doubt that is all down to foreigners as well..

Ted Hughes wrote:I think Ireland have done really well over the years, to be so competitive, considering the league over there.

We, on the other hand, have made an almighty fuckup of it. When you consider how many clubs we have, how many people following the game, you look how long we have had to wake up & realise how football can be played, how many lessons we have been taught without learning anything.

And now just as it seems we are finally turning the corner, we have a TV executive in charge of the FA, who has got together with people like Danny Mills, to try & think of some drastic way to fuck it all up again.

Just to add: Scotland have had the same kind of old school fuckwits running things over there, & have barely produced a decent player in 25 years. No doubt that is all down to foreigners as well..

That's a TV executive noted for having introduced a tabloid-type ethos into television in this country. The FA is effectively being run by Roland fucking Rat.

all the rooney bulshit before the game on saturday was stomach churning, 1 world cup goal is an embarassment to the FA and English football the media are hypocritical wankers.

dick dastardley wrote:all the rooney bulshit before the game on saturday was stomach churning, 1 world cup goal is an embarassment to the FA and English football the media are hypocritical wankers.

Just wait until the cunt breaks the appearance and goal records...which looks inevitable now...a soft qualifying group, more friendlies, more tap ins, and now being captain hes immune from being dropped..even more immune than he was before.