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Re: next : the rags (home)
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Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:40 pmby AntMcfc
Ted Hughes wrote:AntMcfc wrote:For me it's Nasri who has to start. He's always been tactically perfect for our set-up against United, without Silva we won't have anybody at all creating in the half space, making him even more essential as our creativity on the right hand side will be severely limited if Navas starts, and slightly limited if Milner starts. Our best performances against United have always been particularly highlighted with our overloads in wide areas; Kolarov shining in the 4-1 win of 13/14, Micah Richards shining in the 1-6 win of 11/12, and it's Nasri that's been the master of creation in recent years as Kolarov bursts around him on the overlap. This is where United struggle the most and where we've excelled for many years.
I'm usually extremely confident of a win against United, more confident than I am of beating any other team in the top eight bar Spurs, but tomorrow will be different. I don't think it's our poor form that contributes to my lack of confidence, it's the tactical set up of both sides. This season it's been increasingly obvious that LVG wants the strikers to receive the ball as early as possible, Kompany and his CB partner are going to have to be extremely alert to this because it appears to me that if United are allowed to get the ball to their strikers quickly we're going to be in a whole lot of trouble, we'll be put into a lot of 3v3 and 4v4 situations which is not something to relish when the opposition has Di Maria on their side. Kompany's insistence on meeting the strikers high up the pitch - often leading to him getting turned and left behind - means that, in this instance, there could be multiple opportunities for United to even outnumber us. United now have a tactical threat, and a direct threat because of the increased quality of their personnel.
I don't want to predict the score, but honestly, I do feel like revenge could be on the cards for United.
I think the way Kompany goes out for the ball is the way the manager wants him to, & essential to Pellegrini's defensive plan, defending with fewer players.
The key is to do it right. We saw both possibilities from Demichelis last season; getting it horribly wrong early on, then mostly right later in the season.
At the moment, they are all tending to fuck it up.
Imo, the formation & tactics is less important than the actual players turning up. Vinny etc are capable of keeping the rags down to a few opportunities, Ferns, Milner, Yaya, Nasri etc are capable of stomping on their midfield & Aguero etc are capable of tearing their defenders a new arsehole.
Whatever the formation, if our players turn up, most times they will beat the rags. If they don't then the rags have the players to turn us over.
He has always done it, even under Mancini, but Mancini managed him better than Pellegrini has. QPR's second goal on 13.05.12 is a prime example. I do agree that it's something Pellegrini has instructed him to do but I am also certain that it's something he does naturally too, because he's so good at reading the game and he's so confident in his ability to win the ball. Against Chelsea this season, Kompany and Mangala executed this tactic perfectly, they didn't give Diego Costa one second on the ball, every time Costa controlled the ball he had a CB tight on his arse, but given Chelsea's one-striker system and Oscar's fairly deep starting point he had little in the way of options. However, if United play with two strikers and a #10, it's going to be much tougher for our CBs to meet the strikers and successfully tackle or contain them. United will have more options on the ball than Costa had and they'll have more chance of getting in behind us.
Re: next : the rags (home)
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Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:40 pmby FA cup winners 2006
Really hope we shore up the central midfield and attack from there.
.................Hart
Zab...Vinny...Mangala...Kolorov
.......Fernando. ..Fernandinho
.......Nasri...Yaya...Jovetic
..................Aguero
Letting Jovetic up to play of Aguero and the other 4 packing midfield we should be able to drive united back. Big game for the full backs and Fernando to cut down on the space in front of our defence
Re: next : the rags (home)
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Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:49 pmby Renato_CTID
I don't know who'll begin derby tomorrow but hope James Milner won't be left another time on the bench! CTWD!
Re: next : the rags (home)
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Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:57 pmby gmercer1
Want to see Milner for his energy and would like to see Jovetic play behind Aguero. Just think their movement could rip a new arsehole in to their already shite defence!
Re: next : the rags (home)
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Sat Nov 01, 2014 3:40 pmby Ted Hughes
There are a million ways to worry about the opposition. Everyone talking about blocking off the strikers, protecting the centre, what if they just run in behind Kolarov (or Zabba) like Newcastle did ?
What difference does the 5 make then ?
So we tell them to stay back ? And play with 5 in midfield ? And then they dominate possession & score from a free kick ?
Just play our game, & play it well, & beat them.
Re: next : the rags (home)
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Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:02 pmby PaulieIrish
Finally got two tickets sorted (any hints on how to tell fake paper tickets appreciated; collecting them outside ground around 12). Was on a boat for past week with very intermittent connection, so getting tickets was errr fun...
And I go away for a week and have to read about City loosing x2. First couple of games I have missed watching for years. Were we that bad? And did I read yaya went off injured as well as silva?
But to better things. If a game against the scum cannot get the motivation factor up, then what can. City won 5 of last 6 (of course reading the paper today you'd think it was the other way around), but fuck me, if we play we will tear their defence to shreds even without merlin. Need vinnie, zabba and co at their best, but I think we can win handily. Prediction 4-1. Aguero x2, kolarov and komps with a bullet header again.
Re: next : the rags (home)
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Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:13 pmby Green & Blue
gmercer1 wrote:Want to see Milner for his energy and would like to see Jovetic play behind Aguero. Just think their movement could rip a new arsehole in to their already shite defence!
Also like to see Jovetic playing behind Aguero, his energy and movement should cause them all sorts of problems.I really hope we expose the rags defence for what they are tomorrow.An on form Aguero could cause them a few blushes.
Re: next : the rags (home)
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Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:58 pmby Beefymcfc
Don't give a fuck how we do it but just beat the Rag Cunts.
Re: next : the rags (home)
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Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:28 pmby sharkey
Anyone know what time Mary D's will open tomorrow?
Re: next : the rags (home)
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Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:26 pmby Renato_CTID
Zaba at extra-time will score: one nil and let's spend tomorrow night to do our best anywhere we'll be!
Re: next : the rags (home)
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Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:31 pmby dazby
We'll do them. I predicted at the start of the season we'd win 0 trophies. And I'm ok with that.
But I do want a double over them cunts to keep them in their box. The dippers have all gone away for now, let's keep these twats away too.
Re: next : the rags (home)
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Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:01 amby ashton287
There will be goals. We will probably end the game with 10 men, Zaba or komps off.
If we play 442 we will gift them plenty of opportunities on the counter. Di Maria will be putting them in and shrek will definitely score.
If we play a 5 man midfield
--------------Fernando
Navas - fernandinho - milner
------------------silva
--------------Aguero
We will control the game and fuck them up.
Pellers is a shit bag though so he will play 442 and start yaya. He is making the same mistakes as mancini did the season he got sacked.
Changing our entire way of playing. He is changing the team every game. Not dropping poor performers. Wrong formation trying to fit people in where they don't belong and being a stubborn old cunt about it.
First time I have been nervous about a derby since the 6-1. We have took a massive step backwards this season.
Re: next : the rags (home)
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Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:23 amby Peter Doherty (AGAIG)
ashton287 wrote:There will be goals. We will probably end the game with 10 men, Zaba or komps off.
If we play 442 we will gift them plenty of opportunities on the counter. Di Maria will be putting them in and shrek will definitely score.
If we play a 5 man midfield
--------------Fernando
Navas - fernandinho - milner
------------------silva
--------------Aguero
We will control the game and fuck them up.
Pellers is a shit bag though so he will play 442 and start yaya. He is making the same mistakes as mancini did the season he got sacked.
Changing our entire way of playing. He is changing the team every game. Not dropping poor performers. Wrong formation trying to fit people in where they don't belong and being a stubborn old cunt about it.
First time I have been nervous about a derby since the 6-1. We have took a massive step backwards this season.
How can Pellegrini be a shitbag for playing a more attacking formation than the defensive one you want him to play?
Re: next : the rags (home)
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Sun Nov 02, 2014 3:18 amby nottsblue
Can see the rags scoring twice. After all, most sides do lately. Not sure we can get the requisite three. Fingers crossed though as very nervous bout this one. Considering it is only one gane, relatively early in the season, there's a lot riding on the result
Re: next : the rags (home)
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Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:28 amby phips
ashton287 wrote:If we play 442 we will gift them plenty of opportunities on the counter. Di Maria will be putting them in and shrek will definitely score.
If we play a 5 man midfield
--------------Fernando
Navas - fernandinho - milner
------------------silva
--------------Aguero
yeah dude. I agree. Silva will be our best player tomorrow i bet.
Re: next : the rags (home)
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Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:53 amby zuricity
phips wrote:ashton287 wrote:If we play 442 we will gift them plenty of opportunities on the counter. Di Maria will be putting them in and shrek will definitely score.
If we play a 5 man midfield
--------------Fernando
Navas - fernandinho - milner
------------------silva
--------------Aguero
yeah dude. I agree. Silva will be our best player tomorrow i bet.
What do you mean 'Dude' ?
Re: next : the rags (home)
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Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:02 amby dick dastardley
Sky reporting yaya very doubtful for the game
Re: next : the rags (home)
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Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:27 amby Bluedj
Fuck Sky, can't believe any blue would watch that bias shit ahead of a derby
As for Yaya, need this fucker to pull his finger out of his arse and play a blinder as Merlin is out. He can be the catalyst
Re: next : the rags (home)
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Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:31 amby Fidel Castro
Don't give a fuck about yaya. In fact, I'd be very happy with this line up.
Hart
Zab-komp-mdm-kolarov
Nando-dinho
Milner-jovetic-nasri
aguero
Re: next : the rags (home)
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Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:10 amby ashton287
phips wrote:ashton287 wrote:If we play 442 we will gift them plenty of opportunities on the counter. Di Maria will be putting them in and shrek will definitely score.
If we play a 5 man midfield
--------------Fernando
Navas - fernandinho - milner
------------------silva
--------------Aguero
yeah dude. I agree. Silva will be our best player tomorrow i bet.
Nasri will do just fine in that HUGE fucking hole they call a midfield.