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Wonderwall wrote:
I really dont understand your argument for a yellow. Aguero is favourite to reach the pass, he is the closest opposition player to goal, the only defender that can possibly defend against the threat, decides to foul Aguero intentionally. Its a red card all day long

Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree, I just can't see how you can determine that Aguero definitely reaches that pass and how you expect the ref to determine that without the benefit of replay.

it was a penalty and a sending off

No but he should have seen the back of Clichy consistantly and didnt.

Personally didn't think it warranted a red card. If that had been Vinny or Mdm I doubt we'd be happy to be a man down for that challenge after 5 minutes. Debateable whether Aguero would have got to the ball first. He may have. He may not. It is not clear cut even with a replay so giving the benefit of doubt to the defender after just 5 minutes, I don't have a problem with. A penalty was awarded as well.

The more pertinant point for me is why, after having a yellow after just five minutes, did we not switch Navas over and give him a roasting. He is slow as fuck yet not once did anyone take him on. Truly baffling

nottsblue wrote:Personally didn't think it warranted a red card. If that had been Vinny or Mdm I doubt we'd be happy to be a man down for that challenge after 5 minutes. Debateable whether Aguero would have got to the ball first. He may have. He may not. It is not clear cut even with a replay so giving the benefit of doubt to the defender after just 5 minutes, I don't have a problem with. A penalty was awarded as well.

The more pertinant point for me is why, after having a yellow after just five minutes, did we not switch Navas over and give him a roasting. He is slow as fuckyet not once did anyone take him on. Truly baffling

yet we made him look rapid last night

Of course it's a red.

If that happened just over the fucking halfway line and he was the last man, it's a red. Never mind six yards out!

Some of you are fucking mental.

Red all day long simple as that.

Under the laws of the game, it's a red. I don't agree it should be(some rules are clearly wrong)but I don't have to for it to be a red.

Slim wrote:Under the laws of the game, it's a red. I don't agree it should be(some rules are clearly wrong)but I don't have to for it to be a red.

I don't particularly like the rule either, but it is a rule as you say.

The game was reffed to orders yet again , no wonder no fucker turns up.

What the? 34 of you are having a laugh. If that happens down the other end and we cop a red card you'd be screaming blue murder and conspiracies abound. The ref got it spot on.

It's very hard to tell, even with the benefit of a replay whether Aguero would have reached that ball, it was by no means a guarantee and it's therefore hard to categorize it as a 'clear goalscoring opportunity'.
Yellow card and a penalty for me.

dazby wrote:What the? 34 of you are having a laugh. If that happens down the other end and we cop a red card you'd be screaming blue murder and conspiracies abound. The ref got it spot on.

If Komps did that to their striker in our box, I wouldnt be screaming at the ref, I would be screaming at Komps for being a dick

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:It's very hard to tell, even with the benefit of a replay whether Aguero would have reached that ball, it was by no means a guarantee and it's therefore hard to categorize it as a 'clear goalscoring opportunity'.
Yellow card and a penalty for me.

That's ridiculous.

It doesn't have to be a "guarantee" that he would have reached the ball, as that would be impossible of course - in every case in fact.. He had a clear OPPORTUNITY to reach the ball and score and was denied that.

Simple.

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

Wonderwall wrote:
I really dont understand your argument for a yellow. Aguero is favourite to reach the pass, he is the closest opposition player to goal, the only defender that can possibly defend against the threat, decides to foul Aguero intentionally. Its a red card all day long

Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree, I just can't see how you can determine that Aguero definitely reaches that pass and how you expect the ref to determine that without the benefit of replay.

We don't know because he was fouled. The opportunity was taken away therefore as he was right in front of the goals it is a red card.

I'm baffled that there is confusion over this.

That ball had "toe poke into the back of the net" written all over it. Aguero's bread and butter

Tokyo Blue wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

Wonderwall wrote:
I really dont understand your argument for a yellow. Aguero is favourite to reach the pass, he is the closest opposition player to goal, the only defender that can possibly defend against the threat, decides to foul Aguero intentionally. Its a red card all day long

Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree, I just can't see how you can determine that Aguero definitely reaches that pass and how you expect the ref to determine that without the benefit of replay.

We don't know because he was fouled. The opportunity was taken away therefore as he was right in front of the goals it is a red card.

We don't know and can't know, therefore the ref has no choice but to give yellow because he can't know for sure whether it would've resulted in a ' clear goal-scoring opportunity'.

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

Tokyo Blue wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

Wonderwall wrote:
I really dont understand your argument for a yellow. Aguero is favourite to reach the pass, he is the closest opposition player to goal, the only defender that can possibly defend against the threat, decides to foul Aguero intentionally. Its a red card all day long

Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree, I just can't see how you can determine that Aguero definitely reaches that pass and how you expect the ref to determine that without the benefit of replay.

We don't know because he was fouled. The opportunity was taken away therefore as he was right in front of the goals it is a red card.

We don't know and can't know, therefore the ref has no choice but to give yellow because he can't know for sure whether it would've resulted in a ' clear goal-scoring opportunity'.

Where it happens proves it's a clear goalscoring opportunity, eight yards from goal, slightly left of centre. Young Maicon was also guilty of intending to deny Aguero a clear opportunity, or are you going to argue he did it accidentally? And intention is enough for the red.

Tokyo Blue wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

Tokyo Blue wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

Wonderwall wrote:
I really dont understand your argument for a yellow. Aguero is favourite to reach the pass, he is the closest opposition player to goal, the only defender that can possibly defend against the threat, decides to foul Aguero intentionally. Its a red card all day long

Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree, I just can't see how you can determine that Aguero definitely reaches that pass and how you expect the ref to determine that without the benefit of replay.

We don't know because he was fouled. The opportunity was taken away therefore as he was right in front of the goals it is a red card.

We don't know and can't know, therefore the ref has no choice but to give yellow because he can't know for sure whether it would've resulted in a ' clear goal-scoring opportunity'.

Where it happens proves it's a clear goalscoring opportunity, eight yards from goal, slightly left of centre. Young Maicon was also guilty of intending to deny Aguero a clear opportunity, or are you going to argue he did it accidentally? And intention is enough for the red.

Why would I argue that it was an accident? That's absurd! My argument is that if the ref is not sure that a 'clear goalscoring opportunity' was denied he can't give a red, and the fact that even with the benefit of replay there's no guarantee that a 'clear goalscoring opportunity' would have materialised he had no choice but to give yellow for a deliberate foul.

If a corner is taken and a defender pulls back a striker that looks like he may get his head on the corner and the referee awards a penalty, should he then send the defender off?

lets all have a disco wrote:No but he should have seen the back of Clichy consistantly and didnt.

this was probably a key factor as to why pellegrini started clichy over kolarov. didn't quite pan out did it?