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If he wasnt english he'd be gone by now

this is an honest question and not a windup: do other PL keepers fall over and flap as much as joe? when I watch other clubs, I don't pay much attention to the keepers tbh.

While Joe's slip certainly didn't help him, Vinny being horribly out of position for no reason didn't help either

phips wrote:While Joe's slip certainly didn't help him, Vinny being horribly out of position for no reason didn't help either

I agree and am not bashing joe. honestly curious if other keepers are prone to the same sort of fuckups, but maybe I just don't notice it.

Hart was unfortunate with the slip but overall he had a good game, made some important saves. The main issue with the goal was being outnumbered in midfield, Yaya doing neither pressing or tracking the run and Kompany being caught.

All stems from the continuing naiveity of not playing 5 in midfield against the good and very best sides in Europe.

Mark Garrett wrote:Hart was unfortunate with the slip but overall he had a good game, made some important saves. The main issue with the goal was being outnumbered in midfield, Yaya doing neither pressing or tracking the run and Kompany being caught.

All stems from the continuing naiveity of not playing 5 in midfield against the good and very best sides in Europe.

Yaya went to press Keita, Silva let that Belgian lad go ( when Keita got possesion there was about a yard between the two ) who provided the pass for Totti. Kompany was naive in trying to make up for Silva not doing his job.

For all the he should have done this or that and he should have marked him, the bottom line is teams will create chances against us. It is inevitable. When they do create chances, whether through sloppy defending or just brilliant forward play, you then want your goalie to be at his best to save it.

Joe fell over

nottsblue wrote:For all the he should have done this or that and he should have marked him, the bottom line is teams will create chances against us. It is inevitable. When they do create chances, whether through sloppy defending or just brilliant forward play, you then want your goalie to be at his best to save it.

Joe fell over

Right, so make excuses for everyone else but not for Joe, is that you're saying?

He won us a point last night.

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

nottsblue wrote:For all the he should have done this or that and he should have marked him, the bottom line is teams will create chances against us. It is inevitable. When they do create chances, whether through sloppy defending or just brilliant forward play, you then want your goalie to be at his best to save it.

Joe fell over

Right, so make excuses for everyone else but not for Joe, is that you're saying?

He won us a point last night.

You could say Silva, Aguero, Yaya and a couple of others cost us two points by not doing their jobs.

My point was teams will inevitably have chances and you then rely on the goalie. Yes Joe made some decent saves, but they were nothing special. Ones most International goalkeepers would routinely make. When needed in a one on one, he fell over. Yes, others could of,should of, done more, but as the last line it was poor and it cost us a goal. This is not to say Joe was the reason we didn't win. The other ten lads on the field must collectively share that blame with the manager taking a big hit as well, as it was his selection and tactics

nottsblue wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

nottsblue wrote:For all the he should have done this or that and he should have marked him, the bottom line is teams will create chances against us. It is inevitable. When they do create chances, whether through sloppy defending or just brilliant forward play, you then want your goalie to be at his best to save it.

Joe fell over

Right, so make excuses for everyone else but not for Joe, is that you're saying?

He won us a point last night.

You could say Silva, Aguero, Yaya and a couple of others cost us two points by not doing their jobs.

My point was teams will inevitably have chances and you then rely on the goalie. Yes Joe made some decent saves, but they were nothing special. Ones most International goalkeepers would routinely make. When needed in a one on one, he fell over. Yes, others could of,should of, done more, but as the last line it was poor and it cost us a goal. This is not to say Joe was the reason we didn't win. The other ten lads on the field must collectively share that blame with the manager taking a big hit as well, as it was his selection and tactics

Do you think he'd have got to the ball before Totti if he didn't slip?

He done more than made decent saves, he kept us in it when the keystone cops were floundering around him.

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

nottsblue wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

nottsblue wrote:For all the he should have done this or that and he should have marked him, the bottom line is teams will create chances against us. It is inevitable. When they do create chances, whether through sloppy defending or just brilliant forward play, you then want your goalie to be at his best to save it.

Joe fell over

Right, so make excuses for everyone else but not for Joe, is that you're saying?

He won us a point last night.

You could say Silva, Aguero, Yaya and a couple of others cost us two points by not doing their jobs.

My point was teams will inevitably have chances and you then rely on the goalie. Yes Joe made some decent saves, but they were nothing special. Ones most International goalkeepers would routinely make. When needed in a one on one, he fell over. Yes, others could of,should of, done more, but as the last line it was poor and it cost us a goal. This is not to say Joe was the reason we didn't win. The other ten lads on the field must collectively share that blame with the manager taking a big hit as well, as it was his selection and tactics

Do you think he'd have got to the ball before Totti if he didn't slip?

He done more than made decent saves, he kept us in it when the keystone cops were floundering around him.

if he hadn't slipped he would have gathered the ball in the same way he did at gervinho's feet
desperately unlucky

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

nottsblue wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

nottsblue wrote:For all the he should have done this or that and he should have marked him, the bottom line is teams will create chances against us. It is inevitable. When they do create chances, whether through sloppy defending or just brilliant forward play, you then want your goalie to be at his best to save it.

Joe fell over

Right, so make excuses for everyone else but not for Joe, is that you're saying?

He won us a point last night.

You could say Silva, Aguero, Yaya and a couple of others cost us two points by not doing their jobs.

My point was teams will inevitably have chances and you then rely on the goalie. Yes Joe made some decent saves, but they were nothing special. Ones most International goalkeepers would routinely make. When needed in a one on one, he fell over. Yes, others could of,should of, done more, but as the last line it was poor and it cost us a goal. This is not to say Joe was the reason we didn't win. The other ten lads on the field must collectively share that blame with the manager taking a big hit as well, as it was his selection and tactics

Do you think he'd have got to the ball before Totti if he didn't slip?

He done more than made decent saves, he kept us in it when the keystone cops were floundering around him.

Agree he made decent saves. My point was they were saves all top class goalies would make. And yes, I think he probably would either have got to the ball or narrowed the angle better and by hook or by crook kept it out of the net.

Caballero is awful! id rather have panti back and I really didn't rate him!

I am genuinely surprised how little criticism there has been for sillywilly in the match day thread.
Had that been hart in goal today...

Willy must like anal because he is covered in shit

backing up hart with jokers is never going to get him to pull his finger out of his arse on a consistent basis.

Cardboard cut out tonight , absolute dog shit.

I'm confident Hart would have saved both Newcastle goals tonight.

AntMcfc wrote:I'm confident Hart would have saved both Newcastle goals tonight.

Feel the same way.

Willy played like an outfield player forced to go in net. He made himself as small as possible for their second. Shocking performance in a team full of shocking performances