zuricity wrote:Not sure why Hart thought he had to make a Star shape for Wilshite's goal. He just needed to close up by the near post and stay on his feet.
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:zuricity wrote:Not sure why Hart thought he had to make a Star shape for Wilshite's goal. He just needed to close up by the near post and stay on his feet.
If he'd stayed up right then Wilshere could've drilled low, best thing to do would be to go down on one knee guarding his front post but that's easy to say from the comfort of the cheap seats. When Wilshere got beyond Clichy so easily Hart had little time to react, tried to charge the ball and make himself big but Wilshere did brilliantly by remaining composed waiting for the keeper to make his move and finished exquisitely.
No mention from anyone of Hart denying a certain goal in the first few minutes when the defence went asleep and he commited himself and got to the cross before the Arsenal player? Thought not, it's not fashionable to give him any credit.
carl_feedthegoat wrote:Foreverinbluedreams wrote:zuricity wrote:Not sure why Hart thought he had to make a Star shape for Wilshite's goal. He just needed to close up by the near post and stay on his feet.
If he'd stayed up right then Wilshere could've drilled low, best thing to do would be to go down on one knee guarding his front post but that's easy to say from the comfort of the cheap seats. When Wilshere got beyond Clichy so easily Hart had little time to react, tried to charge the ball and make himself big but Wilshere did brilliantly by remaining composed waiting for the keeper to make his move and finished exquisitely.
No mention from anyone of Hart denying a certain goal in the first few minutes when the defence went asleep and he commited himself and got to the cross before the Arsenal player? Thought not, it's not fashionable to give him any credit.
Hes paid to not let the ball go in the net..why should we focus on what hes paid to do?...Id rather focus on the SHITEEEEE goals hes let in so far.
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:carl_feedthegoat wrote:Foreverinbluedreams wrote:zuricity wrote:Not sure why Hart thought he had to make a Star shape for Wilshite's goal. He just needed to close up by the near post and stay on his feet.
If he'd stayed up right then Wilshere could've drilled low, best thing to do would be to go down on one knee guarding his front post but that's easy to say from the comfort of the cheap seats. When Wilshere got beyond Clichy so easily Hart had little time to react, tried to charge the ball and make himself big but Wilshere did brilliantly by remaining composed waiting for the keeper to make his move and finished exquisitely.
No mention from anyone of Hart denying a certain goal in the first few minutes when the defence went asleep and he commited himself and got to the cross before the Arsenal player? Thought not, it's not fashionable to give him any credit.
Hes paid to not let the ball go in the net..why should we focus on what hes paid to do?...Id rather focus on the SHITEEEEE goals hes let in so far.
Now there's a surprise, Carl wants to focus on the negative, who'd have guessed it?
"so far"? As in this season? Well there's the Stoke goal and ermmmmm....
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:carl_feedthegoat wrote:Foreverinbluedreams wrote:zuricity wrote:Not sure why Hart thought he had to make a Star shape for Wilshite's goal. He just needed to close up by the near post and stay on his feet.
If he'd stayed up right then Wilshere could've drilled low, best thing to do would be to go down on one knee guarding his front post but that's easy to say from the comfort of the cheap seats. When Wilshere got beyond Clichy so easily Hart had little time to react, tried to charge the ball and make himself big but Wilshere did brilliantly by remaining composed waiting for the keeper to make his move and finished exquisitely.
No mention from anyone of Hart denying a certain goal in the first few minutes when the defence went asleep and he commited himself and got to the cross before the Arsenal player? Thought not, it's not fashionable to give him any credit.
Hes paid to not let the ball go in the net..why should we focus on what hes paid to do?...Id rather focus on the SHITEEEEE goals hes let in so far.
Now there's a surprise, Carl wants to focus on the negative, who'd have guessed it?
"so far"? As in this season? Well there's the Stoke goal and ermmmmm....
Mikhail Chigorin wrote:Foreverinbluedreams wrote:carl_feedthegoat wrote:Foreverinbluedreams wrote:zuricity wrote:Not sure why Hart thought he had to make a Star shape for Wilshite's goal. He just needed to close up by the near post and stay on his feet.
If he'd stayed up right then Wilshere could've drilled low, best thing to do would be to go down on one knee guarding his front post but that's easy to say from the comfort of the cheap seats. When Wilshere got beyond Clichy so easily Hart had little time to react, tried to charge the ball and make himself big but Wilshere did brilliantly by remaining composed waiting for the keeper to make his move and finished exquisitely.
No mention from anyone of Hart denying a certain goal in the first few minutes when the defence went asleep and he commited himself and got to the cross before the Arsenal player? Thought not, it's not fashionable to give him any credit.
Hes paid to not let the ball go in the net..why should we focus on what hes paid to do?...Id rather focus on the SHITEEEEE goals hes let in so far.
Now there's a surprise, Carl wants to focus on the negative, who'd have guessed it?
"so far"? As in this season? Well there's the Stoke goal and ermmmmm....
I don't think Carl is being negative in the least; I'd say he was being realistic.
He's just made a very valid point which is most difficult to argue against.
Mikhail Chigorin wrote:Foreverinbluedreams wrote:carl_feedthegoat wrote:Foreverinbluedreams wrote:zuricity wrote:Not sure why Hart thought he had to make a Star shape for Wilshite's goal. He just needed to close up by the near post and stay on his feet.
If he'd stayed up right then Wilshere could've drilled low, best thing to do would be to go down on one knee guarding his front post but that's easy to say from the comfort of the cheap seats. When Wilshere got beyond Clichy so easily Hart had little time to react, tried to charge the ball and make himself big but Wilshere did brilliantly by remaining composed waiting for the keeper to make his move and finished exquisitely.
No mention from anyone of Hart denying a certain goal in the first few minutes when the defence went asleep and he commited himself and got to the cross before the Arsenal player? Thought not, it's not fashionable to give him any credit.
Hes paid to not let the ball go in the net..why should we focus on what hes paid to do?...Id rather focus on the SHITEEEEE goals hes let in so far.
Now there's a surprise, Carl wants to focus on the negative, who'd have guessed it?
"so far"? As in this season? Well there's the Stoke goal and ermmmmm....
I don't think Carl is being negative in the least; I'd say he was being realistic.
He's just made a very valid point which is most difficult to argue against.
Mikhail Chigorin wrote:To re-iterate the patently obvious, the goalkeeping position is different from any other on the pitch, with far different requirements than for any other player.
In the final analysis, a 'keeper is there to CONSISTENTLY make saves - full stop; that's his ultimate job and if he doesn't make them then it's perfectly reasonable to look objectively at his performances and to what extent they are affecting the team. Whether, or not, his distribution is deemed to be suspect is an issue which might be tolerated (or not) but, at the end of the day, confidence in him consistently making saves and stopping shots (and, therefore, doing his job) is the single, overriding factor by which he will be judged and by which he could be perceived as becoming a liability.
It really is a death or glory position like no other.
It would be interesting to know, though we never will, if, in the back of their collective minds, our defenders now fully 'trust' Joe Hart, to the extent they might once have.
Perhaps it would be interesting to have a poll on this forum, as to whether, or not, we all still trust and believe in Joe Hart.
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:Mikhail Chigorin wrote:To re-iterate the patently obvious, the goalkeeping position is different from any other on the pitch, with far different requirements than for any other player.
In the final analysis, a 'keeper is there to CONSISTENTLY make saves - full stop; that's his ultimate job and if he doesn't make them then it's perfectly reasonable to look objectively at his performances and to what extent they are affecting the team. Whether, or not, his distribution is deemed to be suspect is an issue which might be tolerated (or not) but, at the end of the day, confidence in him consistently making saves and stopping shots (and, therefore, doing his job) is the single, overriding factor by which he will be judged and by which he could be perceived as becoming a liability.
It really is a death or glory position like no other.
It would be interesting to know, though we never will, if, in the back of their collective minds, our defenders now fully 'trust' Joe Hart, to the extent they might once have.
Perhaps it would be interesting to have a poll on this forum, as to whether, or not, we all still trust and believe in Joe Hart.
Key word "objectively". That's all I'm looking for, a bit of objectivity, where all aspects of his game are focussed on.
Cocacolajojo wrote:
Here are some stats on goalkeepers by the way:
http://www.manchesterlalala.com/best-goalkeepers-premier-league-2013-14/#.VBVw1xbWd8o
Wonderwall wrote:you see top keepers beaten through the legs all the time. It is a difficult position as you are always under scrutiny as a GK makes an error, there is rarely someone there to rescue them. he is being blamed for going to ground to early against Wilshite, for not closing his legs against stoke.... etc.
He is a Top keeper and I like and trust him. However, his distribution always has been and still is shocking.
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