Mangala at last?

[Alex Sapphire]

Koscielny to Arsenal aged 24: 8.5m
Sakho to Liverpool aged 23: 15m
Varane to Real aged 18: <8m

These three ahead of our man in Deschamp's team.

That said I have no idea what players are worth, but like the doomster says, the market does. Just glad it's not my money.

[sheblue]

It is big shillings if true. Gotta trust the big wigs on this one. But one thing the lad needs is time.

[blues2win]

And for most people on this site it's the one thing he won't get!

[Ted Hughes]

Koscielny to Arsenal aged 24: 8.5m
Sakho to Liverpool aged 23: 15m
Varane to Real aged 18: <8m

These three ahead of our man in Deschamp's team.

That said I have no idea what players are worth, but like the doomster says, the market does. Just glad it's not my money.

Try to buy Verane now & see how much the asking price, It will be more than Mangala. The comparison should be with similar rated players.

If Mangala doesn't turn out better than Sakho, or any of Arsenal's centre backs, I agree it was too much.

[Ted Hughes]

That's it fella's, keep saying it like it's chicken feed and it'll be right. If Mangala turns out anything like CamelGob then he'll be worth the money (spits in disgust).

As for Luiz, why bother mentioning his name. PSG obviously pay the going rates for their players, surely!

Nobody said it was cheap. What I am saying is it is the going rate for a player of his reputation & age, as you have shown with the examples you have used.

The equivalent rate for Ferdinand now, as the 40 mil Utd paid.then, would be 60 70 mil at least.

[mcfc1632]

I understand both points of view but I take refuge in:

a) Its not my money - and thank fuck we were picked by the Sheik
b) I have huge confidence in the management team from Khaldoon downwards - I have frankly blind faith in their judgement

But at a personal test level, I simply ask myself:

" ....... how would I feel about it if we walked away from a potentially top CB after what I have witnessed this last 18months - and another club paid £32m - ish - for him ?"


Frankly I would still trust the management team - but I would privately think that we had really fucked up.

I think that he could make a huge difference - similar to Komps in that he can play football and link with the likes of Fernando - allowing our midfield to operate 10 yards further forward and making us much more lethal on the counter. Of course he may bomb - but so can so many - I am very keen

[phips]

national team selections and starting 11's do not carry over to club level. its like comparing apples to oranges.

Is Casillas the best Spanish keeper?
how many of the Brasil starting 11 actually should've been starting?
Is Sissoko or Griezmann better than Nasri?
Is Chris Wondolowski better than Landon Donovan?
Are Jags/SmallingJones/Cahill better than Terry?

[Moonchesteri]

national team selections and starting 11's do not carry over to club level. its like comparing apples to oranges.

Is Casillas the best Spanish keeper?
how many of the Brasil starting 11 actually should've been starting?
Is Sissoko or Griezmann better than Nasri?
Is Chris Wondolowski better than Landon Donovan?
Are Jags/SmallingJones/Cahill better than Terry?

I've actually been very impressed with him whenever I've seen him. I could see him as an AJ-esque player in our team.
But back to the point, better than Nasri? Wouldn't say so but then again I haven't seen too much of Griezmann

[Alex Sapphire]

Koscielny to Arsenal aged 24: 8.5m
Sakho to Liverpool aged 23: 15m
Varane to Real aged 18: <8m

These three ahead of our man in Deschamp's team.

That said I have no idea what players are worth, but like the doomster says, the market does. Just glad it's not my money.

Try to buy Verane now & see how much the asking price, It will be more than Mangala. The comparison should be with similar rated players.

If Mangala doesn't turn out better than Sakho, or any of Arsenal's centre backs, I agree it was too much.

funnily enough Varane is currently being linked with Chelski with press estimates ranging from 16 to 25 million

[Beefymcfc]

Koscielny to Arsenal aged 24: 8.5m
Sakho to Liverpool aged 23: 15m
Varane to Real aged 18: <8m

These three ahead of our man in Deschamp's team.

That said I have no idea what players are worth, but like the doomster says, the market does. Just glad it's not my money.

Try to buy Verane now & see how much the asking price, It will be more than Mangala. The comparison should be with similar rated players.

If Mangala doesn't turn out better than Sakho, or any of Arsenal's centre backs, I agree it was too much.

funnily enough Varane is currently being linked with Chelski with press estimates ranging from 16 to 25 million

I think most people could accept that figure for a talented CB

[phips]

national team selections and starting 11's do not carry over to club level. its like comparing apples to oranges.

Is Casillas the best Spanish keeper?
how many of the Brasil starting 11 actually should've been starting?
Is Sissoko or Griezmann better than Nasri?
Is Chris Wondolowski better than Landon Donovan?
Are Jags/SmallingJones/Cahill better than Terry?

I've actually been very impressed with him whenever I've seen him. I could see him as an AJ-esque player in our team.
But back to the point, better than Nasri? Wouldn't say so but then again I haven't seen too much of Griezmann

thats exactly my point. i wouldn't say any of those "questions" above are true but all of those players started or featured for their national teams at the WC, often above other players who were probably more deserving of a start based on skill. so, we can't assume Mangala isn't good and is a waste of money merely because there's 3 French center backs above him in Deschamps squad.

[john@staustell]

So when the fuck are we signing this guy then?

[Beefymcfc]

So when the fuck are we signing this guy then?

He's just waiting for his agent to come back with news that Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs .......... and QPR aren't interested, then he'll sign on the dotted line.

Not really read much about this but a mate said that there's a third party involved in this. Could this be the issue, as well as the London thing of course?

[city72]

So if Mangala is worth £32 million, what price would an established international defender like say Kompanys worth be?

[Hazy2]

I think I covered that in my 1st post, Mango is for me a player so over valued it is not true. Camel gob and Shaw are climatised to the league, as I Said on Garcia he looks like a real player when given time and space, Mango will get none of that as he will be in at the deep end and if dropped due to the usual problems for a young defender, which we have seen with Dedryc, Nasti, MDM will be in like a flint again. For me by the finished player.

[JamieMCFC]

So when the fuck are we signing this guy then?

He's just waiting for his agent to come back with news that Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs .......... and QPR aren't interested, then he'll sign on the dotted line.

Not really read much about this but a mate said that there's a third party involved in this. Could this be the issue, as well as the London thing of course?

Malta-based Doyen Sports Investments Ltd. acquired stakes in players such as Porto’s Steven Defour and Eliaquim Mangala. It has invested 80 million euros the last three years, the unit CEO Nelio Lucas said on Sept. 20.

Investors hold as much as 36 percent of the market value of league players in Portugal and up to 8 percent in Spain, according to KPMG. They own about 3 percent of the market in the Dutch league, KPMG added.

The English Premier League banned such investments, known as third-party ownership, after it found that West Ham had ceded total control over Argentine striker Carlos Tevez to investors.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-2 ... -says.html

[Blue Blood]

So if Mangala is worth £32 million, what price would an established international defender like say Kompanys worth be?

If David Luiz is worth 50 million, Kompany is worth 80.... It's silly money in a silly market but we just have to accept these daft fees. Football is massive business now... and growing....

Players aren't people anymore, they are assets, with values weighed on varying scales and to fluctuating variables. As one defender moves at a high price the rest of the worlds players move up or down accordingly.

I mean, a good example is potentially Lovren to Liverpool for £20+ million. That is crazy money for a defender who 5-8 years ago would have gone for less then 8 million after the year he's just had. Honestly makes our Mangala deal look good business.

I think overall it's just best to trust in our own management to do the right thing and not question the in's and out's, there's just too much going on out of our view to make a truly fair judgement.

In Txiki (and Soriano) we trust.

[Beefymcfc]

So when the fuck are we signing this guy then?

He's just waiting for his agent to come back with news that Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs .......... and QPR aren't interested, then he'll sign on the dotted line.

Not really read much about this but a mate said that there's a third party involved in this. Could this be the issue, as well as the London thing of course?

Malta-based Doyen Sports Investments Ltd. acquired stakes in players such as Porto’s Steven Defour and Eliaquim Mangala. It has invested 80 million euros the last three years, the unit CEO Nelio Lucas said on Sept. 20.

Investors hold as much as 36 percent of the market value of league players in Portugal and up to 8 percent in Spain, according to KPMG. They own about 3 percent of the market in the Dutch league, KPMG added.

The English Premier League banned such investments, known as third-party ownership, after it found that West Ham had ceded total control over Argentine striker Carlos Tevez to investors.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-2 ... -says.html

Cheers buddy, much appreciated. It's absolutely barmy though and must have an affect on FFP as in other countries they can get the players cheaper by only buying the proportion they can afford but get the chance to play some quality players. Us, however, have to pay the full whack or face sanctions from the FA.

So many disparities with the systems introduced, it's fucking madness.

[Ted Hughes]

Koscielny to Arsenal aged 24: 8.5m
Sakho to Liverpool aged 23: 15m
Varane to Real aged 18: <8m

These three ahead of our man in Deschamp's team.

That said I have no idea what players are worth, but like the doomster says, the market does. Just glad it's not my money.

Try to buy Verane now & see how much the asking price, It will be more than Mangala. The comparison should be with similar rated players.

If Mangala doesn't turn out better than Sakho, or any of Arsenal's centre backs, I agree it was too much.

funnily enough Varane is currently being linked with Chelski with press estimates ranging from 16 to 25 million

Funnily enough, Real were linked with Aguero for £40 mil.

I recon both deals have a similar chance of going through. And if Verane had gone, there's a fair chance Real would have gazumped us for Mangala.

[JamieMCFC]

So when the fuck are we signing this guy then?

He's just waiting for his agent to come back with news that Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs .......... and QPR aren't interested, then he'll sign on the dotted line.

Not really read much about this but a mate said that there's a third party involved in this. Could this be the issue, as well as the London thing of course?

Malta-based Doyen Sports Investments Ltd. acquired stakes in players such as Porto’s Steven Defour and Eliaquim Mangala. It has invested 80 million euros the last three years, the unit CEO Nelio Lucas said on Sept. 20.

Investors hold as much as 36 percent of the market value of league players in Portugal and up to 8 percent in Spain, according to KPMG. They own about 3 percent of the market in the Dutch league, KPMG added.

The English Premier League banned such investments, known as third-party ownership, after it found that West Ham had ceded total control over Argentine striker Carlos Tevez to investors.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-2 ... -says.html

Cheers buddy, much appreciated. It's absolutely barmy though and must have an affect on FFP as in other countries they can get the players cheaper by only buying the proportion they can afford but get the chance to play some quality players. Us, however, have to pay the full whack or face sanctions from the FA.

So many disparities with the systems introduced, it's fucking madness.

Here's what good old Kia Joorabchian has to say about it. He represents several investors that have rights to 60 to 70 players in Europe and South America.

The businessman Kia Joorabchian, heavily involved in the third-party ownership of players, defended the arrangement, calling it "the South American model and a model that appears all over Europe". In his view third-party transfers are "a way of bringing outstanding players to clubs that would not be able to afford them ordinarily. So they increase the competition", further explaining: "What happens, in Brazil particularly, clubs cannot afford to buy a player. So they go to a business, a bank, a major supermarket, an individual, a person, a wealthy individual and say: 'We want Mr X. You put up 70, 80, 100 per cent of the money, let him play here.' It is a little bit like a loan deal between two clubs, except it is a loan deal between the club and a third party"