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Squad Limitations 17+4 13+8 etc.

PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 10:48 am
by Ted Hughes
One of the lads on Bluemoon has been in touch with UEFA regarding this & has been told, off the record, that they haven't fucking sorted it yet!!

"all I can tell you is that the details of this part of the settlements hasn't yet been agreed."

Credit to BillyShears on BM.

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 10:53 am
by twosips
I know 'BillyShears' in person. I'd be surprised if he's spoken to Uefa. Though I guess he could have...it'd just surprise me.

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 11:13 am
by blues2win
Amazing but our hand on this is weak now because we can hardly turn round and go to the CAS now can we?

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 11:17 am
by Foreverinbluedreams
Seems very strange that the club would accept a sanction without knowing the full details of said sanction.

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 11:22 am
by Bianchi on Ice
Perhaps UEFA took Yayas cake away as part of the sanction?. Killjoys.

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 11:31 am
by Wonderwall
Bianchi on Ice wrote:Perhaps UEFA took Yayas cake away as part of the sanction?. Killjoys.


Maybe thats the problem, we put 25 big candles on Yaya's cake and six EDS candles but UeFA advised we could only have 21 candles and 8 of them had to be made in the UK.

No wonder Yaya is pissed off

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 11:36 am
by Bianchi on Ice
Wonderwall wrote:
Bianchi on Ice wrote:Perhaps UEFA took Yayas cake away as part of the sanction?. Killjoys.


Maybe thats the problem, we put 25 big candles on Yaya's cake and six EDS candles but UeFA advised we could only have 21 candles and 8 of them had to be made in the UK.

No wonder Yaya is pissed off


Sounds about right. I also heard said cake contained undeclared marzipan and third party fruit mix

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 7:44 pm
by Ted Hughes
twosips wrote:I know 'BillyShears' in person. I'd be surprised if he's spoken to Uefa. Though I guess he could have...it'd just surprise me.


Email I think & I believe him.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/ ... 90285.html

City to continue investing in youth

Published 20 May 2014 07:07 PM
Manchester City are planning for next season on the basis they will only need five home-grown players for their Champions League squad rather than eight, it can be disclosed.

City will only be permitted a 21-man European squad rather than the usual 25 as part of UEFA's sanctions for breaching financial fair play rules.

UEFA sources had indicated last week that City would still need to have eight home-grown players in the reduced squad, but the club are understood to believe they only need to name five and are actively working on that basis.

That has had a significant impact on Manuel Pellegrini's plans for the transfer market for the summer - as part of the UEFA FFP settlement City have guaranteed to limit their net transfer spending to £49million.

It means there will now be less emphasis on signing home-grown players or keeping those players such as James Milner, who has been linked with a move.

UEFA would not confirm the exact rule on home-grown players for the 21-man squad however.

A UEFA spokesman said: "UEFA is not in a position to make any further comment relating to individual settlement agreements at this time."

Meanwhile, City chairman Khaldoon Al Mubarak has said the club will not suffer FFP sanctions again.

He told the club's website: "This year, we will break even. Next year, we will go into profitability. We will keep investing in the club, we will keep investing in youth, we will have a sustainable project, in Manchester and across the board in the city football group.

"We have zero debts, We don't pay a penny to service any debts. For me, that is a sustainable model. However, our friends in UEFA seem to believe otherwise. They have their view, we have ours.

"I disagree with their views but we are pragmatic and one thing our fans need to know, we will do, as always, what is best for this club. If it means sometimes to take a pinch, we will take a pinch and move on.

"We will be pragmatic and know we have the right model and we believe in it and it is the right model and it will not compromise us and the strategy we have started and will continue to implement."

Khaldoon pointed out that six years ago the club was saddled with debt, had a poor infrastructure and had difficulties attracting talented players.

He added: "Over six years, step by step, we have invested in this club. We have invested in the stadium, in the best youth facilities in Europe.

"This has been a strategy. We have invested in top players around the world, good players, talented players, good people.

"We went from an investment strategy that was targeting six years of heavy investment in building up this ethos, this infrastructure to get us where we are today."

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 8:26 pm
by twosips
Yeah the more i think about it i think he's the kinda person who'd do that ha. He's a good lad so i don't think he's bullshitting.

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 8:56 pm
by AG7
Eurosport: City have been led to believe the 21-man CL squad needs 5 homegrown players, not 8, and are working on that basis.

UEFA have however refused to confirm that it'll be 16+5 and not 13+8. If true, it would be a huge relief for City in naming a strong CL squad.

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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 7:25 am
by Ted Hughes
It's in the printed version of the MUEN, which suggests that UEFA have told City to keep quiet about it, probably to avoid the likes of Wenger kicking off .

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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 7:47 am
by Im_Spartacus
Ted Hughes wrote:It's in the printed version of the MUEN, which suggests that UEFA have told City to keep quiet about it, probably to avoid the likes of Wenger kicking off .


Good job he doesnt get the evening news delivered then, very sneaky, he will never find out!

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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 7:56 am
by john@staustell
Im_Spartacus wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:It's in the printed version of the MUEN, which suggests that UEFA have told City to keep quiet about it, probably to avoid the likes of Wenger kicking off .


Good job he doesnt get the evening news delivered then, very sneaky, he will never find out!


The cunt will be so pleased with himself he wont be bitter against anyone until early next year, when it all goes tits up again. Right now he'll have convinced himself Arsenal will win the League.

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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 7:59 am
by Im_Spartacus
john@staustell wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:It's in the printed version of the MUEN, which suggests that UEFA have told City to keep quiet about it, probably to avoid the likes of Wenger kicking off .


Good job he doesnt get the evening news delivered then, very sneaky, he will never find out!


The cunt will be so pleased with himself he wont be bitter against anyone until early next year, when it all goes tits up again. Right now he'll have convinced himself Arsenal will win the League.


Well they will if they hand the title out in November. Perhaps he will soon be advocating we go down the rugby route and have a mini and major premier league trophy

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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 8:08 am
by Blue Since 76
Ted Hughes wrote:It's in the printed version of the MUEN, which suggests that UEFA have told City to keep quiet about it, probably to avoid the likes of Wenger kicking off .


Wasn't there something like 10 days for anyone to challenge our punishment? If that's the case, it'd be in our interest and therefore UEFA's to keep quiet until day 11 and hope no one notices the small print beforehand

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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 8:22 am
by Ted Hughes
Blue Since 76 wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:It's in the printed version of the MUEN, which suggests that UEFA have told City to keep quiet about it, probably to avoid the likes of Wenger kicking off .


Wasn't there something like 10 days for anyone to challenge our punishment? If that's the case, it'd be in our interest and therefore UEFA's to keep quiet until day 11 and hope no one notices the small print beforehand


Yeah, I believe so. They are possibly hoping to sneak it under the radar. Knowing UEFA, if one of the cartel clubs puts in a complaint, they'll probably try to change the allowance back again.

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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 3:34 pm
by blues2win
If the dippers appeal we should appeal against no action being taken against them for ' cheating' their way into the CL and ask for the reference in the rules exempting Clubs from such action.

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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 4:31 pm
by aaron bond
blues2win wrote:If the dippers appeal we should appeal against no action being taken against them for ' cheating' their way into the CL and ask for the reference in the rules exempting Clubs from such action.


The Telegraph reported today that they have learnt from Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and United that they do not intend to appeal the ruling against us.

No quotes unfortunately, but here's the link:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... -fine.html

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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 4:28 am
by Nutzer
Ted Hughes wrote:
twosips wrote:Meanwhile, City chairman Khaldoon Al Mubarak has said the club will not suffer FFP sanctions again.

He told the club's website: "This year, we will break even. Next year, we will go into profitability. We will keep investing in the club, we will keep investing in youth, we will have a sustainable project, in Manchester and across the board in the city football group.

"We have zero debts, We don't pay a penny to service any debts. For me, that is a sustainable model. However, our friends in UEFA seem to believe otherwise. They have their view, we have ours.

"I disagree with their views but we are pragmatic and one thing our fans need to know, we will do, as always, what is best for this club. If it means sometimes to take a pinch, we will take a pinch and move on.

"We will be pragmatic and know we have the right model and we believe in it and it is the right model and it will not compromise us and the strategy we have started and will continue to implement."

I might be out of step but I'd sue them in court for "restraint of trade". It is very unfair to impose a massive fine, even if over 50% is deferred, impose a limit on the amount we can spend on transfers AND limit the number of players available in the next CL campaign.

I wish someone would shake Platini warmly by the throat.

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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 5:43 am
by Dameerto
The Express is claiming we've negotiated a reduction (to five) in English players needed for the CL while our reduced squad is in effect (citing 'City insiders' which sounds suspicious to me, but hey ho - could be bollox or could be true):

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football ... t-pressure

"...Meanwhile, City's Champions League hopes next season have been given an unexpected boost by UEFA.

As part of their negotiations over financial fair play sanctions, City are understood to have squeezed a concession out of European football's governing body over the number of homegrown players they will need to include in their reduced squad of 21 for Champions League matches.

Instead of the normal quota of eight, City will only have to include five and it explains why they are relaxed about allowing Micah Richards, Scott Sinclair and Jack Rodwell to follow fellow Englishmen Gareth Barry and Joleon Lescott, both out of contract, through the exit door this summer.

Had UEFA not relented on that point it would have left manager Manuel Pellegrini with a major headache and possibly altered City's transfer strategy.

If eight of his 21 European 'A' list players had to be homegrown, Pellegrini would only have been able to select 13 of his overseas stars with 14 already on the books and another three - Porto pair Eliaquim Mangala and Fernando plus Arsenal's out-of-contract Bacary Sagna - expected to join this summer.

But now Pellegrini can include 16 foreign stars in his 21-man squad while still having enough players to meet the homegrown quota with Joe Hart, James Milner, Gael Clichy, Dedryck Boyata, Richard Wright, Marcos Lopes and Karim Rekik - who has spent last season on loan at Feyenoord - all meeting the criteria.

UEFA refused to comment but City insiders have not denied the concession was part of their FFP sanctions settlement."