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Postby ross.mcfc » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:00 pm

What is the point of Villa these days. A once great team with a decent bunch of fans that are drifting into obscurity.

They will probably stay up just, like they have done the past three seasons and will likely do the same next season.

If I was a fan of Villa I'd almost hope we went down. I'd much rather support a yoyo club than a team that aims for 15th every season.

They are almost in the spot that Boro, Blackburn and Wigan had for years where you wonder what they add to the league and know you would not miss them if they went. Wigan finally did go and managed to win a cup, play in Europe, get the the semi finals again and will be involved in the play offs this year. That's more excitement in 9 months than VIlla have given their fans in 5 years.
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Re: Aston Villa

Postby DoomMerchant » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:04 pm

ross.mcfc wrote:What is the point of Villa these days. A once great team with a decent bunch of fans that are drifting into obscurity.

They will probably stay up just, like they have done the past three seasons and will likely do the same next season.

If I was a fan of Villa I'd almost hope we went down. I'd much rather support a yoyo club than a team that aims for 15th every season.

They are almost in the spot that Boro, Blackburn and Wigan had for years where you wonder what they add to the league and know you would not miss them if they went. Wigan finally did go and managed to win a cup, play in Europe, get the the semi finals again and will be involved in the play offs this year. That's more excitement in 9 months than VIlla have given their fans in 5 years.


There but for the grace of God....?

If someone buys Villa and puts some cash into them they'll be a major team again who are worth watching. Of all the fans of Midlands clubs theirs are the ones I have the most time for.
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Re: Aston Villa

Postby ross.mcfc » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:08 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:
ross.mcfc wrote:What is the point of Villa these days. A once great team with a decent bunch of fans that are drifting into obscurity.

They will probably stay up just, like they have done the past three seasons and will likely do the same next season.

If I was a fan of Villa I'd almost hope we went down. I'd much rather support a yoyo club than a team that aims for 15th every season.

They are almost in the spot that Boro, Blackburn and Wigan had for years where you wonder what they add to the league and know you would not miss them if they went. Wigan finally did go and managed to win a cup, play in Europe, get the the semi finals again and will be involved in the play offs this year. That's more excitement in 9 months than VIlla have given their fans in 5 years.


There but for the grace of God....?

If someone buys Villa and puts some cash into them they'll be a major team again who are worth watching. Of all the fans of Midlands clubs theirs are the ones I have the most time for.


Someone did and it failed. Why would anyone buy Villa?
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Re: Aston Villa

Postby halnone » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:15 pm

It looks like they are set for a "£200m US takeover" if they stay up. I could see them doing a lot better next season.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... ay-up.html
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Re: Aston Villa

Postby Dunnylad » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:16 pm

Don't know who'd buy they but did I hear right that Randy is looking to sell? Seems bored with it all ever since sacking O'Neill
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Re: Aston Villa

Postby nottsblue » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:28 pm

Is Deadly Doug still alive? Maybe he's still got a few bob in the bank
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Re: Aston Villa

Postby Dub City » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:28 pm

If they are taken over the new owners will only be able to advance the club in line FFP which the current owners voted in favour of so large scale investment will prove tricky I would imagine.
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Re: Aston Villa

Postby LookMumImOnMCF.net » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:30 pm

Like most clubs they're just waiting for a rich man to court them, take them out and buy them new shiny things so they may then socilaise with the elite.

Until then they'll survive how they can, striving to sit at the top table so that they're more noticeable to Mr. Right.
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Re: Aston Villa

Postby Saul Goodman » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:32 pm

I hate Villa. Possibly the most boring team to watch. I want them to go down..but then they won't get bought and maybe that new owner will inject some cash into the club and make it more exciting. Hmmm...decisions.
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Re: Aston Villa

Postby DoomMerchant » Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:41 pm

ross.mcfc wrote:
Someone did and it failed. Why would anyone buy Villa?



Calling what Randy Lerner did, initially, a failure isn't true IMHO. His problem was he kept MON on too long and let him spend a big wedge chasing top 4 when he had a couple really solid seasons.

Their shit buys and resulting performances put him off more investment and here they are.

Someone with an actual long term plan and the wherewithal to support it would do well there. Same for Newcastle and West Ham I believe.
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Re: Aston Villa

Postby Chopper » Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:46 pm

Saul Goodman wrote:I hate Villa. Possibly the most boring team to watch. I want them to go down..but then they won't get bought and maybe that new owner will inject some cash into the club and make it more exciting. Hmmm...decisions.


Christ on a bike. Thought I was the only one. Hate villa hope they relegated. And southampton too. Ill take one now and one next season.
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Re: Aston Villa

Postby Nick » Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:15 am

some arrogant/rag type comments here which are quite embarassing.

villa are a big club, and have top fans. To me their are a similar club to us, much like west ham and newcastle.

Have easily been the most investable club along with everton and newcastle IMO.
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Re: Aston Villa

Postby Bianchi on Ice » Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:39 am

DoomMerchant wrote:
ross.mcfc wrote:
Someone did and it failed. Why would anyone buy Villa?



Calling what Randy Lerner did, initially, a failure isn't true IMHO. His problem was he kept MON on too long and let him spend a big wedge chasing top 4 when he had a couple really solid seasons.

Their shit buys and resulting performances put him off more investment and here they are.

Someone with an actual long term plan and the wherewithal to support it would do well there. Same for Newcastle and West Ham I believe.


True about the spending under O'Neill towards the end...Villa had a lot of players on big money who were coming in without improving the first eleven and then not playing. If I was Lerner Id have been questioning transfer policy too
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Re: Aston Villa

Postby nottsblue » Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:05 am

Perhaps time to dispel the myth that Martin O'Neill is a great manager
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Re: Aston Villa

Postby Benjay » Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:29 am

Alex McLeish. In the history of clubs employing managers was there ever an appointment that encapsulated so much the phrase "doomed from the start". (maybe city appointing Alan Ball came close).
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Re: Aston Villa

Postby nottsblue » Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:32 am

Benjay wrote:Alex McLeish. In the history of clubs employing managers was there ever an appointment that encapsulated so much the phrase "doomed from the start". (maybe city appointing Alan Ball came close).


There is another obvious choice. Though to be fair he wouldn't be alone in being shit. Following Bacon was always gonna be a tough ask
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Re: Aston Villa

Postby Benjay » Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:45 am

I thought about Moyes but they probably thought he came from the same mould as Fergie (ie Scottish, runs the club as if he owns it, drinks a lot of wine) and so they more than likely thought it would be a seamless transition. Re McLeish - appointing the manager of your bitter rivals who had just taken them down bordered on the insane.
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Re: Aston Villa

Postby nottsblue » Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:24 am

Benjay wrote:I thought about Moyes but they probably thought he came from the same mould as Fergie (ie Scottish, runs the club as if he owns it, drinks a lot of wine) and so they more than likely thought it would be a seamless transition. Re McLeish - appointing the manager of your bitter rivals who had just taken them down bordered on the insane.


It was an astonishing appointment. He made Pearce look adventurous and tactically astute. One assumes he won't be employed by another club in a coaching or managerial role again
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Re: Aston Villa

Postby ross.mcfc » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:39 am

In defence of Alex McLiesh, he had a good record before joining Villa.

Took Motherwell then Hibs into Europe. As good as it gets for them.
First manager to Scottish club into the last 16 of the CL.
Had a better head to head record in terms of league wins than Martin O'Neil during their time in Glasgow.
Takes Scotland to within one game of winning a group with Italy and France in it. Guided Scotland to their best individual result in 20 years with a win in Paris.
Takes Birmingham up and they finish comfortably mid table in their first season.
Wins a major trophy against a much better side.

So they went down the same season, Birmingham were for about a decade a yoyo club. He did not do a very good job at Villa but has Lambert done any better?

I never understood why Villa fans hated him so much, he had been associated with Birmingham for two brief years and had done a pretty good job all things considered. Small minded stuff. He did not help himself by playing negative football but a team will fail if the fans make up there mind on day 1.
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Re: Aston Villa

Postby Hutch's Shoulder » Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:45 pm

I remember the press having a go at us when Hughes was in charge and holding Villa and MON up as a better model; don't see them retracting now.

That said, other than that brief period when Barry and Milner came to us, the Villa fans I have known have always been decent so I wish them no harm.
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