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Re: We don't deserve the title
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:13 amby Nick
Nick wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:Empty seats, no backing for the team just moaning, a manager who just lets a key game drift when he can see we are in danger of fucking it up, players with no discipline in any area of the pitch (the free kicks we gave away out wide, first half, were a sign that the whole team had their heads up their arses.)
Liverpool are fighting & playing above themselves & the fans are right up for it. Chelsea have an inferior squad but are grafting through games.
We have everything going for us, top players throughout the squad, & we are consistently pissing away chance after chance, with stupid fucking brainless mistakes & the fans can barely raise a bit of a cheer half the time, when they can be arsed to turn up.
Tonight wasn't a team fighting for the title, either players fans or manager; it was a waste of fucking time. I hated being there.
100%
im sorry but we need to do away with mid week games because the atmosphere is bad enough on weekend, saturday 3pm games.
I can rarely make mid week night games and look what happens when I can't............ (tounge in cheek)
Re: We don't deserve the title
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:51 amby Crossie
We've gone up our own arses.
We expect to beat everyone 5-0 and be royally entertained as its done.
We are partly responsible. Imagine the Liverpool game atmosphere being created by us last night, would we have drawn? Would we fuck, we'd have pumped them 6-0. Its fucking wank that we can create a better atmosphere in the 3rd league tier when we're 11th in that league than we can when we're fighting for the league title in the best league in the world.
The fact is we've been spoilt. After years of bullshit, we see some glory and expect it every year. It doesn't happen like that.
You NEVER give up, you never say die, you fight for every inch and have Pride In Battle.
Re: We don't deserve the title
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:02 amby gilford
Crossie wrote:
You NEVER give up, you never say die, you fight for every inch and have Pride In Battle.
If only our players would recognise this! It seems everyone
BUT the players do!
Re: We don't deserve the title
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:19 amby ross.mcfc
It is a rare on any football message board for a post which bags the fans and the team to get a mostly measured and thought out response.
I could not agree with the OP more. We really do not deserve to win the title and even if we go on by some sort of miracle to win the title it will be one that we won by default.
The tempo of our game and the atmosphere in the ground last night was one which suited an end of season game that meant fuck all. I wonder if those two things are linked.
Our home crowd’s attitude towards games these days is getting embarrassing. We used to slag of Arsenal and Man United but I reckon we are worse than that these days. I have a few theories on why that is.
a) Fans are too spoilt
b) We won the league once and that is one more time than any of us thought we would win it. It almost doesnt matter anymore.
c) We are only really interested in creating an atmosphere when United come to town. Barca, Real, Bayern have all been to our ground in the past two years and you would have thought we were playing West Ham by the reaction of the crowd. Would we have created the cauldron of noise on Sunday that Liverpool fans did if we had been at home on Sunday. I doubt it.
Both B&C are symptoms of small club thinking. Our owners want to reach for the sky and dominate Europe. We want to beat United.
As for the team, there are far too many passengers. For the money that was been spent on transfers and wages we are far too reliant on certain players. If Kompany, Zabaleta or Toure are missing we look useless. Those responsible for the buying of players at the club have failed to address our major weakness for the past two seasons. I like Navas and Jovetic but have they really added anything to our season? Those were not areas of the pitch that we needed extra depth. A decent center half and a guy to give Toure something to worry about / give him a rest from time to time has been missing for two seasons now.
We now need a right back that can cover for Zabba and a keeper who does not just hoof the ball back into the area where we are getting bossed about.
I've enjoyed this season as a whole, finishing a tight 3rd is a better showing than second last season without even looking like winning the title. A cup was nice but it won't look so great if Liverpool win the league and Chelsea win the CL. Infact even if they finish 3rd and make the final and lose I would still say that is a better effort than our 2nd and league cup.
Re: We don't deserve the title
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:26 amby blues2win
Good post. Just seen Sunderland's second; a real shocker from Hart. What is it with his distribution? Do we need a new goalkeeping coach or a new goalkeeper?
Re: We don't deserve the title
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:32 amby Mark Garrett
Agree with opening post and that by Rossmcfc
Re: We don't deserve the title
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:18 amby Goaters 103
ross.mcfc wrote:It is a rare on any football message board for a post which bags the fans and the team to get a mostly measured and thought out response.
I could not agree with the OP more. We really do not deserve to win the title and even if we go on by some sort of miracle to win the title it will be one that we won by default.
The tempo of our game and the atmosphere in the ground last night was one which suited an end of season game that meant fuck all. I wonder if those two things are linked.
Our home crowd’s attitude towards games these days is getting embarrassing. We used to slag of Arsenal and Man United but I reckon we are worse than that these days. I have a few theories on why that is.
a) Fans are too spoilt
b) We won the league once and that is one more time than any of us thought we would win it. It almost doesnt matter anymore.
c) We are only really interested in creating an atmosphere when United come to town. Barca, Real, Bayern have all been to our ground in the past two years and you would have thought we were playing West Ham by the reaction of the crowd. Would we have created the cauldron of noise on Sunday that Liverpool fans did if we had been at home on Sunday. I doubt it.
Both B&C are symptoms of small club thinking. Our owners want to reach for the sky and dominate Europe. We want to beat United.
As for the team, there are far too many passengers. For the money that was been spent on transfers and wages we are far too reliant on certain players. If Kompany, Zabaleta or Toure are missing we look useless. Those responsible for the buying of players at the club have failed to address our major weakness for the past two seasons. I like Navas and Jovetic but have they really added anything to our season? Those were not areas of the pitch that we needed extra depth. A decent center half and a guy to give Toure something to worry about / give him a rest from time to time has been missing for two seasons now.
We now need a right back that can cover for Zabba and a keeper who does not just hoof the ball back into the area where we are getting bossed about.
I've enjoyed this season as a whole, finishing a tight 3rd is a better showing than second last season without even looking like winning the title. A cup was nice but it won't look so great if Liverpool win the league and Chelsea win the CL. Infact even if they finish 3rd and make the final and lose I would still say that is a better effort than our 2nd and league cup.
This is a very accurate and precise post indeed.
Last seasons excuse was that all the players hated the manager - whats this years excuse? Too holistic?
Im reliably told by way too many that Pellegrini is a managerial genius and tactically brilliant. What the hell is a 4-4-2 then - Mike fookin Bassett can come up with that?
Not only a 4-4-2, but a flat 4-4-2 with no wingers; a flat 4-4-2 with two central midfielders, neither of whom advance beyond the front pair; a flat 4-4-2 with the central strikers woefully inadequate to do the job required Im afraid.
You cant play 4-4-2 when of the two up top, one is rustier than Terry Waite's bicycle - indeed Sergio played like he was dragging Terry's famed radiator around with him as well - and the other striker who is so woefully out of touch/form/ability that its fookin painful to watch him. That game cried out for Jovetic and even Dzeko up top last night to create some sort of threat up top. Sadly, and very stupidly, this came too late.
Re: We don't deserve the title
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:14 pmby patrickblue
mancitymark wrote:If you were one of the 1000`s who got up and left at 1-2 ....... Fuck off and never come back.
Wankers
Agree 100%.
There's been so many threads on here about this, and it always ends in "i paid my money, I can do what I like"
I'm in 110, supposedly the hard core, passionate section.
Every game starts with people turning up late, half time seems to start at around 40 minutes and end around 60 minutes.
Then any time around 75 minutes on, off they all start to go.
TBH, it actually ruins the whole thing for me.
Bring back the terraces, where no fucker can get out.
Re: We don't deserve the title
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:01 pmby Crossie
patrickblue wrote:mancitymark wrote:If you were one of the 1000`s who got up and left at 1-2 ....... Fuck off and never come back.
Wankers
Agree 100%.
There's been so many threads on here about this, and it always ends in "i paid my money, I can do what I like"
I'm in 110, supposedly the hard core, passionate section.
Every game starts with people turning up late, half time seems to start at around 40 minutes and end around 60 minutes.
Then any time around 75 minutes on, off they all start to go.
TBH, it actually ruins the whole thing for me.
Bring back the terraces, where no fucker can get out.
The development of the stadium is a massive chance to put some safe standing in and sort out the atmosphere.
Its also a MASSIVE CHANCE to sort out the traffic situation around the stadium, stopping people from feeling the need to leave early
Re: We don't deserve the title
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:16 pmby Sideshow Bob
we bottled it. no getting around that fact. something in our chemistry needs to change...roll on summer transfer window.
Re: We don't deserve the title
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:36 pmby Moonchesteri
Mark Garrett wrote:Agree with opening post and that by Rossmcfc
I'm still too disappointed to properly express my feelings but I agree with lot of posts in this thread, incl.OP & rossmcfc
Re: We don't deserve the title
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:43 pmby gillie
There is a banner at klanfield that say's "Dare to Dream" We should have one that say's "Recurring Nightmare"
Re: We don't deserve the title
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:55 pmby patrickblue
Crossie wrote:patrickblue wrote:mancitymark wrote:If you were one of the 1000`s who got up and left at 1-2 ....... Fuck off and never come back.
Wankers
Agree 100%.
There's been so many threads on here about this, and it always ends in "i paid my money, I can do what I like"
I'm in 110, supposedly the hard core, passionate section.
Every game starts with people turning up late, half time seems to start at around 40 minutes and end around 60 minutes.
Then any time around 75 minutes on, off they all start to go.
TBH, it actually ruins the whole thing for me.
Bring back the terraces, where no fucker can get out.
The development of the stadium is a massive chance to put some safe standing in and sort out the atmosphere.
Its also a MASSIVE CHANCE to sort out the traffic situation around the stadium, stopping people from feeling the need to leave early
Seeing that the whole of 109 and 110 stand all the time, I can't see safe standing areas making any difference.
Re: We don't deserve the title
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 2:22 pmby RodneyRodney
I think letting Tevez go was a factor ; the mad bugger would fight like a wild dog for everything , and that's something we needed tonight
Re: We don't deserve the title
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 2:38 pmby dick dastardley
Watching the game last night we were clueless once in the oppos half, by the time we were on the edge of their box, there were 10 defenders, no silva = no cutting edge. No yaya = no speed on the break,
Re: We don't deserve the title
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 4:35 pmby EEE
First of all, I'll agree with most of what's said in this thread. Especially Ted and ross.mcfc. There really aren't any excuses for the disaster of performance of yesterday (mainly players but also fans). I was ashamed of what I saw and felt betrayed in a way. However, even with that said, it's wrong to write off our team as complete non fighters. Even though we haven`t shown it as often as we should - there have still been cases when we have been showing fight, grit and team spirit. Times when I`ve been proud of my team for those exact values.
Second, this doesn't really belong in this thread (optimism) but I can't help myself. NEVER GIVE UP! A lot of IF's one might argue bit it isn't as far fetched as some thinks.
1. We need to win the rest of our games. After yesterdays display that doesn't look likely. But contrary to what most would think, I believe that we will get together, show the fight that we should have shown yesterday (once again, no excuses), and win all the remaining five games.
2. If we we win our remaining five games; the title is ours if;
- Liverpool drops at least 3 points (a loss; our GD needs to be better than theirs, or two draws)
- and Chelsea draws one game.
If the Liverpool - Chelsea game ends with a draw (far from impossible), all we need is Liverpool to draw away against either Norwich or Crystal Palace (far from impossible).
I might be naive but I believe that Liverpool will draw w Norwich this week and then draw w Chelsea in two weeks. We win our five games and the league, if so, we deserve it.
Cheerio.
Re: We don't deserve the title
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 4:48 pmby Benjay
EEE wrote:First of all, I'll agree with most of what's said in this thread. Especially Ted and ross.mcfc. There really aren't any excuses for the disaster of performance of yesterday (mainly players but also fans). I was ashamed of what I saw and felt betrayed in a way. However, even with that said, it's wrong to write off our team as complete non fighters. Even though we haven`t shown it as often as we should - there have still been cases when we have been showing fight, grit and team spirit. Times when I`ve been proud of my team for those exact values.
Second, this doesn't really belong in this thread (optimism) but I can't help myself. NEVER GIVE UP! A lot of IF's one might argue bit it isn't as far fetched as some thinks.
1. We need to win the rest of our games. After yesterdays display that doesn't look likely. But contrary to what most would think, I believe that we will get together, show the fight that we should have shown yesterday (once again, no excuses), and win all the remaining five games.
2. If we we win our remaining five games; the title is ours if;
- Liverpool drops at least 3 points (a loss; our GD needs to be better than theirs, or two draws)
- and Chelsea draws one game.
If the Liverpool - Chelsea game ends with a draw (far from impossible), all we need is Liverpool to draw away against either Norwich or Crystal Palace (far from impossible).
I might be naive but I believe that Liverpool will draw w Norwich this week and then draw w Chelsea in two weeks. We win our five games and the league, if so, we deserve it.
Cheerio.
I admire your optimism I really do. I cannot see Liverpool fucking this up. Their Chelsea game is massive (for them) but they have momentum and we should know how much that counts from 2 years ago.
Re: We don't deserve the title
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 4:49 pmby Benjay
....our responses to Everton and Palace - when they fly at us will be very interesting.
Re: We don't deserve the title
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:11 pmby EEE
Sure Liverpool has momentum and I would argue that momentum (both over a period of time and in spells during a single game) is one of the most fascinating and loveable factors in sports. What`s magic about momentum is that it could arise when no one expects it BUT also be gone in a second due to a sudden and unexpected change of matters.
Come Sunday and Suarez gets a red card, Skrtel scores an own goal or (and) Norwich simply plays a blinder and grinds out a lucky 1-1 draw, that momentum that makes Liverpool perform way over their standards would be gone and things would look way different again.
Re: We don't deserve the title
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Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:27 pmby Beefymcfc
Whoever gets the most points deserves to win the title, regardless. All this slagging the fans, players and manager is just symptomatic of any club. We're no different and we as fans have been very similar for many years. Due to lack of success we've grown older as a supporter and probably more weary of singing for our team. Now, we are starting to produce it's only the hardened oldies and the up for it youngsters who will give it for the 90 minutes.
We've all seen it, all those people with their flasks and shouts of 'Sit Down', and there are quite a few. These are the die-hard fans who still deserve respect for the support they've shown through the years but now the whinging bastards want them away because they no longer give it the full lung.
Grow the fuck up.