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For me, Clichy has to be moved on in the summer. Kolarov may be more of a wing back but frankly he brings a lot more to the team. The sheer scale in which Clichy breaks up attacks off-sets any defensive deficiency Kolarov has. Today and pretty much every-time he plays, Clichy would start romping down the left side and get somewhere deep in the opponent's half. Then Clichy turns around and gives a back/side pass to Nasri and then goes back while the opposition gets organized and gets the ball soon. Rinse and repeat. Kolarov would pass to Nasri, make an over-lapping run and create some room or an opportunity. Clichy's crosses are nothing special anyway. He can't take free-kicks or penalties either.

The argument that Clichy is defensively solid is not completely true, either. He was atrocious in last year's Final. He was terrible at the start of the season. Chelsea away, Cardiff, Bayern at home, etc. Today, if I remember correctly, he lost that aerial battle that led to the first goal.

We lost all our offensive presence at the left, because Clichy started. IMO, Nasri plays a lot better with Kolarov as well. If we are going to be as open as we were in the first half, we may as well use proper offensive players.

I hope we keep Kolarov for some more time, maybe give him an year's extension. Clichy needs to improve or go. And get an upgrade. Shaw, maybe?

Clowncrete wrote:For me, Clichy has to be moved on in the summer. Kolarov may be more of a wing back but frankly he brings a lot more to the team. The sheer scale in which Clichy breaks up attacks off-sets any defensive deficiency Kolarov has. Today and pretty much every-time he plays, Clichy would start romping down the left side and get somewhere deep in the opponent's half. Then Clichy turns around and gives a back/side pass to Nasri and then goes back while the opposition gets organized and gets the ball soon. Rinse and repeat. Kolarov would pass to Nasri, make an over-lapping run and create some room or an opportunity. Clichy's crosses are nothing special anyway. He can't take free-kicks or penalties either.

The argument that Clichy is defensively solid is not completely true, either. He was atrocious in last year's Final. He was terrible at the start of the season. Chelsea away, Cardiff, Bayern at home, etc. Today, if I remember correctly, he lost that aerial battle that led to the first goal.

We lost all our offensive presence at the left, because Clichy started. IMO, Nasri plays a lot better with Kolarov as well. If we are going to be as open as we were in the first half, we may as well use proper offensive players.

I hope we keep Kolarov for some more time, maybe give him an year's extension. Clichy needs to improve or go. And get an upgrade. Shaw, maybe?

Fully agree.

Clowncrete wrote:For me, Clichy has to be moved on in the summer. Kolarov may be more of a wing back but frankly he brings a lot more to the team. The sheer scale in which Clichy breaks up attacks off-sets any defensive deficiency Kolarov has. Today and pretty much every-time he plays, Clichy would start romping down the left side and get somewhere deep in the opponent's half. Then Clichy turns around and gives a back/side pass to Nasri and then goes back while the opposition gets organized and gets the ball soon. Rinse and repeat. Kolarov would pass to Nasri, make an over-lapping run and create some room or an opportunity. Clichy's crosses are nothing special anyway. He can't take free-kicks or penalties either.

The argument that Clichy is defensively solid is not completely true, either. He was atrocious in last year's Final. He was terrible at the start of the season. Chelsea away, Cardiff, Bayern at home, etc. Today, if I remember correctly, he lost that aerial battle that led to the first goal.

We lost all our offensive presence at the left, because Clichy started. IMO, Nasri plays a lot better with Kolarov as well. If we are going to be as open as we were in the first half, we may as well use proper offensive players.

I hope we keep Kolarov for some more time, maybe give him an year's extension. Clichy needs to improve or go. And get an upgrade. Shaw, maybe?

Dubaimancityfan wrote:
Fully agree.

+1

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Kolarov's the man!!

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Quick, someone else did a naughty (see thread below this one now)

If we are strolling past the memory lane then:
viewtopic.php?f=119&t=39199&p=315984&hilit=Clichy#p315984

To be fair though, there have been times over the years he has played better than expected. I still stand by my opinion that fullback who can't defend is pretty fucking useless.

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:If we are strolling past the memory lane then:
viewtopic.php?f=119&t=39199&p=315984&hilit=Clichy#p315984

To be fair though, there have been times over the years he has played better than expected. I still stand by my opinion that fullback who can't defend is pretty fucking useless.

So, am I correctly thinking that you don't rate Clichy's defensive ability?

Clowncrete wrote:
Well done digging up old threads. Want a cookie for your effort?

That guy phips is a grade A cunt. I really don't get why he chose us to pretend to follow.

OT Clichy has gone to shite. Kolarov is the better of the two and I think we would have had a lot more chances had he started yesterday.

It was always gonna be attack v attack and we should have started him for that reason.

We absolutely need a new left full in the summer, along with at least one centre half.

I like Clichy but he is just too soft for the big games. Id of started Kolarov without a doubt. We certainly need a new LB though.

Moreno from Seville is my man.

He needs to shave his head again. He was better when he was bald!
Totally shit now and has been for some time

the left side of the back 4 needs a good looking at.
shaw seems to be the blue eyed boy at the moment, so if he is that good, him and a left sided centre half, which we didn't get last summer.

Clowncrete wrote:

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:If we are strolling past the memory lane then:
viewtopic.php?f=119&t=39199&p=315984&hilit=Clichy#p315984

To be fair though, there have been times over the years he has played better than expected. I still stand by my opinion that fullback who can't defend is pretty fucking useless.

So, am I correctly thinking that you don't rate Clichy's defensive ability?

Yes.

He is a french fanny who bottles it big time, in the 1st five mins he gave away possession needlessly twice, the fear in his eyes was terrible for a professional. he has put in some good performances for us over the years and has it in his locker but just like his time at Arsenal he has gone stale and bottles the big occasions. We need a team of winners and for me he no longer cuts it.

lets all have a disco wrote:Moreno from Seville is my man.

Real are chasing him too apparently which if they were to get him would make Coentrao available.

I think we should cash in on Kolarov ( sorry Mase ) and keep Clichy as cover for the upgrade on both of them that we should bring in.