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So, he needs more goals to become a real player?

Beefymcfc wrote:So, he needs more goals to become a real player?

I started a thread " Different System " regarding how little Dave could become the complete player if he played further forward in the "New" system whilst all our strikers were injured .

Beefymcfc wrote:So, he needs more goals to become a real player?

You seem to have got quite defensive Beefy! It's not so much a criticism of him but analysis of how he can reach the next level so to speak..
He's without doubt one of if not the best playmakers around, but generally you'd say the one weak area (same can be said of Fabregas) in his game in the past has been his goalscoring ability.
He's as technically good as anyone and when as yesterday and the week before, he takes chances and gets into goalscoring positions more he looks even better.

I think in the past he's often been guilty of looking for an eye of the needle pass when he's in such a great position to shoot and sometimes he'd be better just being a little greedy and more ruthless.


Especially with Aguero and Jovetic made of glass and Dzeko injured, can he step up and be our goalscoring threat?
So far he has shown he is capable and he looks better than ever, let's hope he can continue.

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:

Beefymcfc wrote:So, he needs more goals to become a real player?

You seem to have got quite defensive Beefy! It's not so much a criticism of him but analysis of how he can reach the next level to speak..
He's without doubt one of if not the best playmakers around, but generally you'd say the one weak area (same can be said of Fabregas) in his game in the past has been his goalscoring ability.
He's as technically good as anyone and when as yesterday and the week before, he takes chances an gets into goalscoring positions more he looks even better.

I think in the past he's often been guilty of looking for an eye of the needle pass when he's in such a great position to shoot and sometimes he'd be better just being a little greedy and more ruthless.


Especially with Aguero and Jovetic made of glass and Dzeko injured, can he step up and be our goalscoring threat?
So far he has shown he is capable and he looks better than ever, let's hope he can continue.

Not really being defensive mate, just bringing on the debate after Dave's last few performances. I've mentioned that he is there to feed the strikers and looks for them more times than not. What he is showing is that when there is no striker there, and nobody to look for, he can focus on putting the ball in the back of the net rather than automatically looking to create.

I remember a game he played for Spain where they had no recognised striker and he put in a sensational performance, scoring a couple of goals. He's shown he can do it but seems to get labelled due to the fact that he is great at creating chances for others.

I'd like to see a comparison with him and other players of his ilk to see how many goals they've scored or created. I wonder how he'd fare?

Beefymcfc wrote:

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:

Beefymcfc wrote:So, he needs more goals to become a real player?

You seem to have got quite defensive Beefy! It's not so much a criticism of him but analysis of how he can reach the next level to speak..
He's without doubt one of if not the best playmakers around, but generally you'd say the one weak area (same can be said of Fabregas) in his game in the past has been his goalscoring ability.
He's as technically good as anyone and when as yesterday and the week before, he takes chances an gets into goalscoring positions more he looks even better.

I think in the past he's often been guilty of looking for an eye of the needle pass when he's in such a great position to shoot and sometimes he'd be better just being a little greedy and more ruthless.


Especially with Aguero and Jovetic made of glass and Dzeko injured, can he step up and be our goalscoring threat?
So far he has shown he is capable and he looks better than ever, let's hope he can continue.

Not really being defensive mate, just bringing on the debate after Dave's last few performances. I've mentioned that he is there to feed the strikers and looks for them more times than not. What he is showing is that when there is no striker there, and nobody to look for, he can focus on putting the ball in the back of the net rather than automatically looking to create.

I remember a game he played for Spain where they had no recognised striker and he put in a sensational performance, scoring a couple of goals. He's shown he can do it but seems to get labelled due to the fact that he is great at creating chances for others.

I'd like to see a comparison with him and other players of his ilk to see how many goals they've scored or created. I wonder how he'd fare?

That's my point really, when there are no strikers, he steps up gets into more goalscoring positions, takes more chances and scores. He looks even better than his usual brilliant self.

When Aguero or Dzeko return I'd like to see him continue as he has been and still provide that threat and ruthlessness he has shown the last two games. Sometimes with Aguero, you feel Silva feels obliged to pass it to him even if he's in a better position himself.
He can be great at creating chances for others, but also great at taking the ones that come his way.

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:

Beefymcfc wrote:

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:

Beefymcfc wrote:So, he needs more goals to become a real player?

You seem to have got quite defensive Beefy! It's not so much a criticism of him but analysis of how he can reach the next level to speak..
He's without doubt one of if not the best playmakers around, but generally you'd say the one weak area (same can be said of Fabregas) in his game in the past has been his goalscoring ability.
He's as technically good as anyone and when as yesterday and the week before, he takes chances an gets into goalscoring positions more he looks even better.

I think in the past he's often been guilty of looking for an eye of the needle pass when he's in such a great position to shoot and sometimes he'd be better just being a little greedy and more ruthless.


Especially with Aguero and Jovetic made of glass and Dzeko injured, can he step up and be our goalscoring threat?
So far he has shown he is capable and he looks better than ever, let's hope he can continue.

Not really being defensive mate, just bringing on the debate after Dave's last few performances. I've mentioned that he is there to feed the strikers and looks for them more times than not. What he is showing is that when there is no striker there, and nobody to look for, he can focus on putting the ball in the back of the net rather than automatically looking to create.

I remember a game he played for Spain where they had no recognised striker and he put in a sensational performance, scoring a couple of goals. He's shown he can do it but seems to get labelled due to the fact that he is great at creating chances for others.

I'd like to see a comparison with him and other players of his ilk to see how many goals they've scored or created. I wonder how he'd fare?

That's my point really, when there are no strikers, he steps up gets into more goalscoring positions, takes more chances and scores. He looks even better than his usual brilliant self.

When Aguero or Dzeko return I'd like to see him continue as he has been and still provide that threat and ruthlessness he has shown the last two games. Sometimes with Aguero, you feel Silva feels obliged to pass it to him even if he's in a better position himself.
He can be great at creating chances for others, but also great at taking the ones that come his way.

Could be that now Pellers has seen that we can play without a striker he may adopt a Barca style play (refer to Ted's 688 passes thread) that incorporates elements of Sergio and Dave being the main options infront of goal.

Either way, whether it be creating or scoring, he is proving that he's got it in spades.

As City fans, we can't argue with that ;-)

He's not one of the best playmakers around. He's the best in the world.

I have never seen a player better able to hold on to the ball better than david silva.

He dictates the pace of the game in every single match. It's mind boggling.

Original Dub wrote:He's not one of the best playmakers around. He's the best in the world.

I have never seen a player better able to hold on to the ball better than david silva.

He dictates the pace of the game in every single match. It's mind boggling.

Agreed. He's every bit as good as Xavi and Iniesta if not even better when on form, I really believe that.
What I was saying wasn't meant to come across as criticism at all.
I remember his goal against Blackpool away when he took on three men and scored, it's that type of ruthlessness i'm talking about.

I think because he's SUCH a good passer and creator that he feels obliged to pass in situations which favour a shot, but when Aguero/Dzeko doesn't play he seems to think 'fuck it i'll do it myself' and it comes off. Two goals from breaking into the box against Palace, yesterday he scored and won the penalty and was unlucky not to score another, his runs into the box have been almost Lampard-esque. (I wonder if Pellegrini's had a word)
It's just another element of his game we're seeing which pushes him onto an even higher level.
He's an unselfish player by nature and that is a good thing for his role but when Aguero comes back, it would be great to see him carry on with this ruthlessness and take more chances himself to score, when he's in a position to do so.

I do agree though, he is the best playmaker anywhere.

And bump.

its almost like when Kun and Dzeko play Silva prefers to try to set them up rather than shooting himself. but now that we're devoid of fit strikers he knows he (and the rest of midfield) should shoot more often

Brilliant first half but we fell apart 2 nd half for some reason and little Dave had to come deeper to get on the ball . Mystifying 2nd half performance from us today ....... absolutely shocking !

First half he did exactly what we've been calling for, broke into the box, took a chance and scored. Could have had a couple more on another day. Looks so much more dangerous and he's showing he can finish. Easily capable of 15 goals a season and imo he owes it to himself (more than anything else) to do so.
A positive in an otherwise disappointing game. Keep it up David.

felt sorry for the little man. He was so frustrated and put a solid shift in. Even tried to get the boring middle east stand to muster some support.

He'll be pissed off with his teammates tonight.

I think he won more headers than Kolarov.

If he's going to start scoring goals, he suddenly becomes one of the handful of' best players in the world'.

I paid particular attention to him in the first half yesterday. On top of everything else he does, his first touch usually finds him some space to move into or space for another player to move into. He's genuinely sublime and may be taking the place of Yaya as our best player since Colin Bell, to my mind.

Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:I paid particular attention to him in the first half yesterday. On top of everything else he does, his first touch usually finds him some space to move into or space for another player to move into. He's genuinely sublime and may be taking the place of Yaya as our best player since Colin Bell, to my mind.

He's got a long way to go before he overtakes Aguero, let alone Yaya.

For all the doom and gloom on here recently though that this has been a bit of a silver lining (pun (sadly) intended).
Scored 10 league goals this season with ten games left and his previous best was 7.
Obviously been working on something in training as he looks a lot more comfortable getting a shot off than he had been previously and as a result has gone up a level as a player, adding goals to his game.

Long may it continue David.

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:For all the doom and gloom on here recently though that this has been a bit of a silver lining (pun (sadly) intended).
Scored 10 league goals this season with ten games left and his previous best was 7.
Obviously been working on something in training as he looks a lot more comfortable getting a shot off than he had been previously and as a result has gone up a level as a player, adding goals to his game.

Long may it continue David.

Careful now. I already tried a Silver Lining thread this week. Reviving another one mightn't go down well.

Nick wrote:felt sorry for the little man. He was so frustrated and put a solid shift in. Even tried to get the boring middle east stand to muster some support.

He'll be pissed off with his teammates tonight.

Racist.