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FA Retrospective Action Rule Changed

PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:40 pm
by Wonderwall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24847724

Football Association tightens retrospective punishment ruling

Players guilty of violent conduct or involved in off-the-ball incidents will be punished retrospectively even if match officials saw the incident. Prior to this season, subsequent action could not be taken if a match official had seen an incident - no matter how poor their view of it was.

The FA tried to address this by adopting a rule change in the summer. But new changes, which come into force on 22 November, will further tighten the FA's disciplinary regulations. It will mean the FA can take retrospective action for violent conduct and off-the-ball incidents regardless of whether they are seen by match officials.

Fulham's Sascha Riether was the first player charged retrospectively under the initial changes to regulations governing 'not seen' incidents. However Chelsea striker Fernando Torres escaped punishment for scratching the face of Tottenham defender Jan Vertonghen in September's 1-1 draw at White Hart Lane. The latest changes cover "acts of violent conduct that occur secondarily to a challenge for the ball" and "in off-the-ball incidents where one or more match official did see the players coming together, but the match officials' view was such that none of them had the opportunity to make a decision on an act of misconduct that took place within that coming together".

FA director of governance Darren Bailey said: "This enables the FA to consider acts of violent conduct, like an elbow or a stamp, which have occurred after a challenge for the ball or coming together of players. "It is sometimes difficult for officials to see such incidents, as they are often concentrating solely on the challenge for possession of the ball, and we are mindful of this.
"Also, where off-the-ball incidents are concerned, the policy adjustment will allow action to be taken where an act of misconduct could not have been seen by the match officials, even though they may have seen some part of the players coming together.
"This is an important step forward for the game and provides an appropriate level of discretion for The FA to consider action.
"However, we remain of the view that the best outcome for all is that referees are able to make correct judgements on the day to benefit the teams involved."

FA chairman Greg Dyke expressed his dissatisfaction with the current rules in October. He said: "It is understandably baffling to everyone and must be addressed.

"As FA chairman I don't like being in a position where I can't explain why we can't take action."

Re: FA Retrospective Action Rule Changed

PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:44 pm
by Peter Doherty (AGAIG)
They need to do something about diving, the biggest blight on the modern game.

Re: FA Retrospective Action Rule Changed

PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:57 pm
by Ted Hughes
So now others can be punished retrospectively, rather than just City ?

Great.

Re: FA Retrospective Action Rule Changed

PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:00 pm
by Wonderwall
Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:They need to do something about diving, the biggest blight on the modern game.



Now that is a good shout.... however, the rules of defining what is a dive will need to be clarified. For example, in spain, if you touch a player in the penalty area they will go down and cite the reason being that they are entitled to as the defender is trying to gain an unfair advantage.

That said, I would love a big crackdown on diving, cant see it happening any time soon though.... well, at least until one of our players gets away with a couple, then there will be rule changes and witch hunts

Re: FA Retrospective Action Rule Changed

PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:10 pm
by Ted Hughes
I would just alert everone to the wording of that.

Read it carefully.

They have once again left a huge ref's grey area to enable Clattenburg to 'miss' Rooney's over the top two footed, potentially career ending lunge & protect him afterwards, & ban Kolarov for 3 games for pushing somebody off the ball in a handbags incident.

Re: FA Retrospective Action Rule Changed

PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:14 pm
by Original Dub
Ted Hughes wrote:I would just alert everone to the wording of that.

Read it carefully.

They have once again left a huge ref's grey area to enable Clattenburg to 'miss' Rooney's over the top two footed, potentially career ending lunge & protect him afterwards, & ban Kolarov for 3 games for pushing somebody off the ball in a handbags incident.


I read that very carefully and I'm more worried than ever to be honest.

Re: FA Retrospective Action Rule Changed

PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:42 pm
by Nigels Tackle
any retrospective action will still be consistently inconsistent

Re: FA Retrospective Action Rule Changed

PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:45 pm
by DoomMerchant
someone has to do something to get the Rags into the top 4 this season, so it was down to Agent Gill it seems. Good for them. If you can't beat them on the pitch then legislate the fucl out of corrupt processes to ensure you get what you uhm..."deserve."

cheers

Re: FA Retrospective Action Rule Changed

PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:25 pm
by Original Dub
So seb larsson will be banned?

Re: FA Retrospective Action Rule Changed

PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:39 pm
by nottsblue
Original Dub wrote:So seb larsson will be banned?


Banned?
The clueless buffoons at the FA will probably give Garcia a retrospective yellow for diving

Re: FA Retrospective Action Rule Changed

PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:05 pm
by Blue2
Original Dub wrote:So seb larsson will be banned?

Just thinking exactly the same, not that it will help us now.

Re: FA Retrospective Action Rule Changed

PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:44 pm
by Original Dub
Blue2 wrote:Just thinking exactly the same, not that it will help us now.


Exactly.

If the ref was seen to be in a good position to see an incident, they should be retrospectively banned.

Now that would sort it.

Re: FA Retrospective Action Rule Changed

PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:14 pm
by Blue2
Original Dub wrote:
Blue2 wrote:Just thinking exactly the same, not that it will help us now.


Exactly.

If the ref was seen to be in a good position to see an incident, they should be retrospectively banned.

Now that would sort it.


and we get a penalty for nothing at the start of the game next time we play them.

Re: FA Retrospective Action Rule Changed

PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:24 pm
by Douglas Higginbottom
Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:They need to do something about diving, the biggest blight on the modern game.


Is that so they can ban Micah for his appalling effort :)

That's 3 in a few days for me after 2 of our under 19's gave it a go last Tuesday.

Re: FA Retrospective Action Rule Changed

PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:43 pm
by Wonderwall
Can Larsson get banned retrospectively for his assault on Garcia?

Re: FA Retrospective Action Rule Changed

PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:46 pm
by Breks
Wonderwall wrote:Can Larsson get banned retrospectively for his assault on Garcia?


No beause the ref seen it and dealt with it. Still can't believe he didn't even get booked.

Re: FA Retrospective Action Rule Changed

PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:47 pm
by Im_Spartacus
Breks wrote:
No beause the ref seen it and dealt with it. Still can't believe he didn't even get booked.


The whole point of the thread seems to be that you can now go back and review an incident even if the reg saw it an dealt with it

Re: FA Retrospective Action Rule Changed

PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:06 pm
by carl_feedthegoat
Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:They need to do something about diving, the biggest blight on the modern game.


Is that so they can ban Micah for his appalling effort :)

That's 3 in a few days for me after 2 of our under 19's gave it a go last Tuesday.


Micah is a fucking disgrace, he belongs in the same bracket as young..both cheats.

Re: FA Retrospective Action Rule Changed

PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:54 am
by Original Dub
No word on Larsson getting punished yet??

Re: FA Retrospective Action Rule Changed

PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:47 pm
by Breks
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Micah is a fucking disgrace, he belongs in the same bracket as young..both cheats.


Are you serious? Micah never even claimed for a foul, he was jumping over the tackle to avoid getting clipped.