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ayrshireblue wrote:

Ted Hughes wrote:

ayrshireblue wrote:I was at the game, I saw it with my own eyes. For the first goal we were doing nothing with the ball till Nasri came over and forced Navas to go wide then Yaya picked him out and he delivered a good ball in which found Jovetic. The only other time he looked threatening was when he had the shot in the second half but again his decision making was poor as he had two men square and in better goalscoring positions.

I don't care whether you were at the game or not. I can remember loads of instances where he could have done better, sometimes he was headless & shit. I saw loads of the same with Aguero & Nasri, the bit you are missing, is everything else, where he made a positive contribution & you don't see remotely interested in it. There is proof on the Os, which you can look at with your own eyes now, which shows anyone who cares to look at it without an agenda, why Navas is in the team, & how he contributed to both goals & could have been resposible for several others. It also shows Aguero being a right greedy cunt at times.

No less guilty than Navas for maing wrong decisions. Milner is often worse still & Zabba is even worse than that. It happens.

If Navas hadn't played, we probably wouldn't have won. He is a great asset to the squad.

I have watched the video and can see positives in some of his play. He is an impact player as someone has pointed out who is being used as a starter every game just now because of injuries. Maybe I am just frustrated because I can see how good he almost is and wish he could make that step up in his decision making. His play in the second half was definitely better than in the first half, which I probably didn't appreciate at the game due to being in 221. He is a good squad player but is nothing than that in my opinion yet at the moment he is being asked to be a match changer for us. Sometimes he manages this, most times he doesn't.
You're right about Aguero being a greedy cunt but he gets away with it because he sticks the ball in the net more than most. Zabba and Milner probably get away with it because of their work rate. Kompany, Hart, Yaya all make wrong decisions too.

AntMcfc wrote:Mase has it spot on, Navas stifles our attacking system every time he plays. This is exactly why I want Silva playing wide-right when he's available, he's the only man capable of bringing Zaba's crucial overlaps into play - the main reason we've had success over the years.

zuricity wrote:

AntMcfc wrote:Mase has it spot on, Navas stifles our attacking system every time he plays. This is exactly why I want Silva playing wide-right when he's available, he's the only man capable of bringing Zaba's crucial overlaps into play - the main reason we've had success over the years.

Exactly.

Edin gets those 'Tap in' goals not because he gambles and takes a risk. Rather because he goes in there with the confidence in his suppliers like Kolarov. There is very little risk involved. There is a lot of routine involved though and it is the routined movement that pays off, time and time again.Which is why those moves are practised so often.
Navas is unpredictable.
Saturday , second half he shot poorly twice , when clearly there were better passing options. I wonder what he was thinking.

Ted Hughes wrote:

zuricity wrote:

AntMcfc wrote:Mase has it spot on, Navas stifles our attacking system every time he plays. This is exactly why I want Silva playing wide-right when he's available, he's the only man capable of bringing Zaba's crucial overlaps into play - the main reason we've had success over the years.

Exactly.

Edin gets those 'Tap in' goals not because he gambles and takes a risk. Rather because he goes in there with the confidence in his suppliers like Kolarov. There is very little risk involved. There is a lot of routine involved though and it is the routined movement that pays off, time and time again.Which is why those moves are practised so often.
Navas is unpredictable.
Saturday , second half he shot poorly twice , when clearly there were better passing options. I wonder what he was thinking.

And yet Navas is getting more assists than Kolarov every single year & so far this season more than Kolarov & Zabaleta put together .

Spooky.

blues2win wrote:Talking about great wing play I saw Brandon Barker's goal against Benfica. He not only has pace but great strength; he bulldozed past the defender and smashed the ball across the defender into the net. You really could imagine him in the first team squad next season. We could do with someone on the left with that quality. Probably go on loan though!

Hutch's Shoulder wrote:I thought Navas okay against Swansea. He is still limited by not being able to beat a man except by running past him onto a through ball, but he put a lot of crosses in, some good, and covered a lot for Zabba and others defensively. I don't think he stifles Zabba's play anymore, second half of last season they worked well together, but Pablo has been below par since returning from the WC, which is not Navas' fault. For a scrawny guy he stands up quite well to the physical side too. Happy to see him start at home when needed, and make an impact from the bench when away,

Ted Hughes wrote:

Hutch's Shoulder wrote:I thought Navas okay against Swansea. He is still limited by not being able to beat a man except by running past him onto a through ball, but he put a lot of crosses in, some good, and covered a lot for Zabba and others defensively. I don't think he stifles Zabba's play anymore, second half of last season they worked well together, but Pablo has been below par since returning from the WC, which is not Navas' fault. For a scrawny guy he stands up quite well to the physical side too. Happy to see him start at home when needed, and make an impact from the bench when away,

The whole thing about Zabba being impeded by Navas, is something someone has made up. There is no truth in it whatsoever. Someone just fancied saying it one day, & a bunch of people jumped on it as if it's gospel. It's complete bollocks.

Bout time we put it to bed once and for all. Zabba has never been great at crossing or assisting. He has got better & became quite good at it last season, WITH Navas at the club. The rest is just people's selective memory.

Here's his record for assists in all competitions:
LA Liga etc:
05/06: 0 (in 35 games)
06/07: 0 (31 games)
07/08: 1 (36 games)
City:
08/09: 4 (42 games)
09/10: 1 (35 games)
10/11: 5 (45 games)
11/12: 1 (31 games)
12/13: 2 (42 games)
13/14 With Navas: 8 (48 games)
14/15: 2 (8 games).

Please can people just shut the fuck up about Navas impeding Zabba, you are talking through your fucking arseholes.

nottsblue wrote:

Ted Hughes wrote:

Hutch's Shoulder wrote:I thought Navas okay against Swansea. He is still limited by not being able to beat a man except by running past him onto a through ball, but he put a lot of crosses in, some good, and covered a lot for Zabba and others defensively. I don't think he stifles Zabba's play anymore, second half of last season they worked well together, but Pablo has been below par since returning from the WC, which is not Navas' fault. For a scrawny guy he stands up quite well to the physical side too. Happy to see him start at home when needed, and make an impact from the bench when away,

The whole thing about Zabba being impeded by Navas, is something someone has made up. There is no truth in it whatsoever. Someone just fancied saying it one day, & a bunch of people jumped on it as if it's gospel. It's complete bollocks.

Bout time we put it to bed once and for all. Zabba has never been great at crossing or assisting. He has got better & became quite good at it last season, WITH Navas at the club. The rest is just people's selective memory.

Here's his record for assists in all competitions:
LA Liga etc:
05/06: 0 (in 35 games)
06/07: 0 (31 games)
07/08: 1 (36 games)
City:
08/09: 4 (42 games)
09/10: 1 (35 games)
10/11: 5 (45 games)
11/12: 1 (31 games)
12/13: 2 (42 games)
13/14 With Navas: 8 (48 games)
14/15: 2 (8 games).

Please can people just shut the fuck up about Navas impeding Zabba, you are talking through your fucking arseholes.

Great stats. One thing that shouts out from that, is what a machine he is. Playing 30+ games in each of the last nine seasons. Rarely injured. No wonder he is off pace his season

nottsblue wrote:Played well Navas tonight. Give him his due.