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Pellegrini's tactics analysed by Michael Cox

PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:03 pm
by Guy Debord
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/sep/20/manuel-pellegrini-manchester-city

The notation used for City's formations does not match the reality, especially when Sergio Agüero plays. Will the manager field a fresh striking duo in Sunday's derby against United?

While Manuel Pellegrini's formations are often interpreted as 4-2-3-1, the blanket description for a wide variety of modern systems, he prefers fielding a strike partnership. "I like playing with two central forwards up front," he says.

At Villarreal, for example, his side was often a narrow 4-2-2-2 – Pellegrini's determination to play simultaneously with two strikers and dominate the midfield zone meant he sacrificed natural wingers. At Real Madrid, he started his sole season fielding two of Raúl, Gonzalo Higuaín and Karim Benzema together, until realising this was incompatible with Cristiano Ronaldo's advanced wide positioning, and at Málaga he liked fielding Roque Santa Cruz in combination with Julio Baptista – essentially two centre-forwards together.

At Manchester City, the theme has continued. Pellegrini has two distinct types of centre-forward: two tall penalty area prowlers in Edin Dzeko and Alvaro Negredo, and a couple of more technical, creative attackers in Sergio Agüero and Stevan Jovetic. In each of City's games so far this season Pellegrini has used one of each: Dzeko and Agüero have started four times together and combined directly for three goals, while the newcomers Jovetic and Negredo were used in tandem at Stoke City, the only match in which the Chilean's team have failed to score.

It is only natural, then, that Pellegrini will continue with Agüero and Dzeko up front against Manchester United on Sunday. They enjoyed the midweek trip to Viktoria Plzen – both had seven attempts at goal, and both got on the scoresheet.

Their partnership is peculiar, primarily because Agüero's precise role at City has never precisely been defined. Naturally, it feels like the Argentinian should be making the most of his link-up play and creative potential by playing in deep positions between the lines, but his incredible acceleration and unerring finishing ability mean he's also a threat beyond the opposition defence, demonstrated by his excellent finish against Newcastle United on the opening weekend of the Premier League season.

"For most of my career I've played behind a striker, but close enough to form a partnership with them. That's where I think I play best," he told FourFourTwo earlier in the season. It's entirely possible, of course, for an attacker as gifted as Agüero to play a dual role – playing a part in the buildup before racing in behind Dzeko to meet through balls, often from David Silva.

It is interesting, however, that because of Dzeko's tendency to move towards play and receive passes with his back to goal, in their past three matches together Agüero's average position has been slightly in advance of Dzeko, which is surely incompatible with the idea City are playing a 4-2-3-1. The difference between that shape and 4-4-2 is sometimes so marginal it becomes irrelevant, but if Agüero is playing in advance of Dzeko then he can hardly be regarded as being in a line of three behind him.

Perhaps this is most significant considering the apparent preference of City's sporting director, Txiki Begiristain, for playing in a 4-3-3 system, as he was accustomed to at Barcelona. Call City's formation what you like – 4-2-3-1, 4-4-2, 4-2-2-2 – but it's evidently not a 4-3-3. The suggestions that Begiristain was insisting upon a particular system appear to be wide of the mark.

That suits Pellegrini, and also suits his four centre-forwards. The most interesting development will come when he experiments without a target man, and turns to Agüero and Jovetic up front together. Their pace, movement and creative talent would be the most aesthetically pleasing strike combination, and would leave the opposition without a fixed centre-forward to mark. Against Nemanja Vidic and Rio Ferdinand, a centre-back duo lacking in pace, this could be the moment for Pellegrini's first tactical surprise.

Re: Pellegrini's tactics analysed by Michael Cox

PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:13 pm
by Wonderwall
good read, cheers for posting that. I dont think he will opt for Aguero and Jovetic though, I see him sticking with Dzeko and Aguero as these guys know this particular game and what it means.

Re: Pellegrini's tactics analysed by Michael Cox

PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:37 pm
by brite blu sky
I think we will see a tactical surprise. While I agree with the article at the end there I can't see it being that one simply as Jovetic hasn't had enough game time and it is untested (outside training).
I don't think that would stop Pell though, so it could be an option.

It has another advantage which is that with Aguero and Jovetic they can both sit deeper and help out with ball winning more, that would compress the midfield, which I think would suit City more than the rags.

My own wish for Sunday which is to give Yaya a free more advanced role and have two others as proper mids.

Re: Pellegrini's tactics analysed by Michael Cox

PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:46 pm
by Nigels Tackle
brite blu sky wrote:I think we will see a tactical surprise. While I agree with the article at the end there I can't see it being that one simply as Jovetic hasn't had enough game time and it is untested (outside training).
I don't think that would stop Pell though, so it could be an option.

It has another advantage which is that with Aguero and Jovetic they can both sit deeper and help out with ball winning more, that would compress the midfield, which I think would suit City more than the rags.

My own wish for Sunday which is to give Yaya a free more advanced role and have two others as proper mids.


yaya in an advanced role is what i'm hoping for

Re: Pellegrini's tactics analysed by Michael Cox

PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:51 pm
by MilnersJaw
Feel sorry for Neggers that he is second fiddle to dzeko. Much better player.

Re: Pellegrini's tactics analysed by Michael Cox

PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:58 pm
by Breks
Dzeko is terrible but gets away with it by scoring. On tuesday he constantly gave the ball away and his 1st touch is terrible. Negredo is a much better player and should be starting games.

Re: Pellegrini's tactics analysed by Michael Cox

PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:10 pm
by Alioune DVToure
Wonderwall wrote:good read, cheers for posting that.


Are you a fan of Cox?

Re: Pellegrini's tactics analysed by Michael Cox

PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:24 pm
by roblues
Alioune DVToure wrote:
Wonderwall wrote:good read, cheers for posting that.


Are you a fan of Cox?


I don't like stupid f**king idiots who ask f**king stupid questions trying to stitch me up you f**king d***head.

Re: Pellegrini's tactics analysed by Michael Cox

PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:45 pm
by mr_nool
roblues wrote:
I don't like stupid f**king idiots who ask f**king stupid questions trying to stitch me up you f**king d***head.


Forking dorkhead? Easy with the language mate. This is a family forum.

Re: Pellegrini's tactics analysed by Michael Cox

PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:53 pm
by roblues
mr_nool wrote:
roblues wrote:
I don't like stupid f**king idiots who ask f**king stupid questions trying to stitch me up you f**king d***head.


Forking dorkhead? Easy with the language mate. This is a family forum.


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Re: Pellegrini's tactics analysed by Michael Cox

PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:28 pm
by zuricity
Breks wrote:Dzeko is terrible but gets away with it by scoring. On tuesday he constantly gave the ball away and his 1st touch is terrible. Negredo is a much better player and should be starting games.


Which game were you watching ? In the first half Edin got limited service. Stop this wum mentality.

Re: Pellegrini's tactics analysed by Michael Cox

PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:43 pm
by mr_nool
roblues wrote:
mr_nool wrote:
roblues wrote:
I don't like stupid f**king idiots who ask f**king stupid questions trying to stitch me up you f**king d***head.


Forking dorkhead? Easy with the language mate. This is a family forum.


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Re: Pellegrini's tactics analysed by Michael Cox

PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:45 am
by Breks
zuricity wrote:
Which game were you watching ? In the first half Edin got limited service. Stop this wum mentality.


Are you having a laugh, what about that header he missed from 2 yards when Kola crossed it right onto his head. Dzeko was terrible other than his goal and cheeky pass in 1st half.

Re: Pellegrini's tactics analysed by Michael Cox

PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 11:12 am
by Tokyo Blue
Breks wrote:
zuricity wrote:
Which game were you watching ? In the first half Edin got limited service. Stop this wum mentality.


Are you having a laugh, what about that header he missed from 2 yards when Kola crossed it right onto his head. Dzeko was terrible other than his goal and cheeky pass in 1st half.

The goalie saved it. Sometimes it happens.

I thought ED played really well in the first fifteen minutes of the second half. He was really up for it and putting himself about. I'd like to see more of that from him.

Re: Pellegrini's tactics analysed by Michael Cox

PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 11:32 am
by Dronny
Breks wrote:
zuricity wrote:
Which game were you watching ? In the first half Edin got limited service. Stop this wum mentality.


Are you having a laugh, what about that header he missed from 2 yards when Kola crossed it right onto his head. Dzeko was terrible other than his goal and cheeky pass in 1st half.


Should've been a pen for dangerous play, the defender has his boot up Dzeko's nose

Re: Pellegrini's tactics analysed by Michael Cox

PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 11:35 am
by Breks
Tokyo Blue wrote:The goalie saved it. Sometimes it happens.

I thought ED played really well in the first fifteen minutes of the second half. He was really up for it and putting himself about. I'd like to see more of that from him.


He should have scored, watch it again he had 3/4 of the goal to aim at but he headed it at the keeper. And he did not head it down, he can't do basic stuff.

Re: Pellegrini's tactics analysed by Michael Cox

PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 11:47 am
by Beefymcfc
Breks wrote:
Tokyo Blue wrote:The goalie saved it. Sometimes it happens.

I thought ED played really well in the first fifteen minutes of the second half. He was really up for it and putting himself about. I'd like to see more of that from him.


He should have scored, watch it again he had 3/4 of the goal to aim at but he headed it at the keeper. And he did not head it down, he can't do basic stuff.

I think he had 2 chances with his head, the 1st was central where he hit it straight at the keeper and the 2nd was from the right-hand side which the keeper made a good save.

Edin's looked fired up this season and some of his play for the team is the best I have seen. He still has a touch like a donkey on occassions but overall he's had a good opening to the season.

Edin or the Beast for the weekend, I'd stick with Edin and then throw on the Beast to bully them near the end.

Just to add, I think Edin and Sergio are gaining an understanding. That point cannot be overlooked.

Re: Pellegrini's tactics analysed by Michael Cox

PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 11:54 am
by Moonchesteri
Dronny wrote:
Should've been a pen for dangerous play, the defender has his boot up Dzeko's nose


Not sure if you're serious or not but that's never a penalty,

Re: Pellegrini's tactics analysed by Michael Cox

PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:17 pm
by Breks
7 chances in total dzeko had, and scored 1. A very poor sucess rate. I want to like the guy but he is just crap and i cannot convince myself otherwise. I want him to prove me wrong sunday if he starts.

Re: Pellegrini's tactics analysed by Michael Cox

PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:21 pm
by Beefymcfc
Breks wrote:7 chances in total dzeko had, and scored 1. A very poor sucess rate. I want to like the guy but he is just crap and i cannot convince myself otherwise. I want him to prove me wrong sunday if he starts.

7 chances in total Sergio had, and scored 1. A very poor success rate?

We can all see what Dzeko can and can't do but one thing that got me thinking was a piece that I read in the closed season. Dzeko made the top 10 in goals per minute ratio (8th) with a goal every 120 odd minutes. What got me thinking was not the fact that he got 14 goals last season (highest scorer) but the fact that he was bench warming for the majority of it.

This is one of the things that wound me up about Mancini. He used Dzeko very sparingly where it was quite obvious he could score goals. He'd not play him but then throw him into a CL team. One thing any player needs is to be starting regularly, getting playing time and confidence in the bag. Dzeko got neither last season to the point where he refused to be called super sub and looking completely dejected by the end of the season. What made matters worse for me was the Cup Final where he decided to bring him on in the 90th minute, even though he's scored the game before when he started.

I'm no fanboy but what I want from a striker is for him to score goals and if not, get a few assists. Dzeko can do that and has proved over a couple of seasons that he's got what it takes. Measuring him when he's not been playing regularly or when it's knee-jerk 'cos we're not winning games is not the way to go about it.

I understand your opinion though, I've shouted at him a few times as well but overall, I think he'll be not far off our top scorer this season.