aaron bond wrote:hongkongbluey wrote:Wasn't the manager who bottled 50 50s. Wasn't a formation that passed the ball to wham all game. Just not playing well at the moment
It was the manager that decided to play a midfield of 4 that included 3 midfielders who don't defend. It was the manager that decided to drop Milner who has been excellent all season. It was the manager who decided to play players on perceived reputation instead of form (e.g. Clichy).
The game was lost the moment the line-up was announced. Pellegrini urgently needs to learn from his mistakes.
phips wrote:aaron bond wrote:hongkongbluey wrote:Wasn't the manager who bottled 50 50s. Wasn't a formation that passed the ball to wham all game. Just not playing well at the moment
It was the manager that decided to play a midfield of 4 that included 3 midfielders who don't defend. It was the manager that decided to drop Milner who has been excellent all season. It was the manager who decided to play players on perceived reputation instead of form (e.g. Clichy).
Pellegrini urgently needs to learn from his mistakes.
Plenty of people like to make fun of BFS but i found his quote to be sorta on point:"There are two types of coaches. There’s coaches like me who weigh up the opposition and ask the team to adjust. Fergie was similar. Jose [Mourinho] is similar. Then there’s Arsene who won’t adjust. There’s Brendan [Rodgers] who looks like he won’t adjust. There’s Manuel Pellegrini who looks like he won’t adjust, even in the Champions League. He seems to favour what he’s got. City are quite open.
“Their [Wenger/Rodgers/Pellegrini] philosophy is different to ours. Ours is more about who are we playing against. Their philosophy is more ‘we always play this way’ and they won’t change, they carry doing on the same thing. That’s why you can beat them."
Mikhail Chigorin wrote:aaron bond wrote:hongkongbluey wrote:Wasn't the manager who bottled 50 50s. Wasn't a formation that passed the ball to wham all game. Just not playing well at the moment
It was the manager that decided to play a midfield of 4 that included 3 midfielders who don't defend. It was the manager that decided to drop Milner who has been excellent all season. It was the manager who decided to play players on perceived reputation instead of form (e.g. Clichy).
The game was lost the moment the line-up was announced. Pellegrini urgently needs to learn from his mistakes.
Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing ??
Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:phips wrote:aaron bond wrote:hongkongbluey wrote:Wasn't the manager who bottled 50 50s. Wasn't a formation that passed the ball to wham all game. Just not playing well at the moment
It was the manager that decided to play a midfield of 4 that included 3 midfielders who don't defend. It was the manager that decided to drop Milner who has been excellent all season. It was the manager who decided to play players on perceived reputation instead of form (e.g. Clichy).
Pellegrini urgently needs to learn from his mistakes.
Plenty of people like to make fun of BFS but i found his quote to be sorta on point:"There are two types of coaches. There’s coaches like me who weigh up the opposition and ask the team to adjust. Fergie was similar. Jose [Mourinho] is similar. Then there’s Arsene who won’t adjust. There’s Brendan [Rodgers] who looks like he won’t adjust. There’s Manuel Pellegrini who looks like he won’t adjust, even in the Champions League. He seems to favour what he’s got. City are quite open.
“Their [Wenger/Rodgers/Pellegrini] philosophy is different to ours. Ours is more about who are we playing against. Their philosophy is more ‘we always play this way’ and they won’t change, they carry doing on the same thing. That’s why you can beat them."
Whilst his general point is fine, his corollary is faulty. Someone should have pointed out to the pie-eater that his teams are also beatable, as are mourinho's. And you could beat ferguson's teams also, even 1-6 at their place.
AntMcfc wrote:Not particularly satisfied as of this moment. He's proving himself to be the next Wenger, coaching one system, failing to recognise his mistakes and rarely showing any signs of flexibility.
Was 13/14 an improvement on 11/12? Not really. Have we done any better in Europe? Not really. I'm not taking him for granted, you have to be of a certain standing and adhere to very high standards to manage a gifted squad like this, but eventually you will come unstuck if you don't move forward and progress with the constantly changing world of football.
A manager like Allardyce couldn't win the title with this side, he thinks he's flexible thus he could do a better job, but that really isn't the case. However, I would like a manager in the summer that recognises when a side must alter their approach. There aren't many around; Guardiola, Simeone, Ancelotti maybe, that's why I'd personally remove Pellegrini and bring in one of these managers if they became available any time soon. Until then, Pellegrini it is.
South Stand Balti wrote:AntMcfc wrote:Not particularly satisfied as of this moment. He's proving himself to be the next Wenger, coaching one system, failing to recognise his mistakes and rarely showing any signs of flexibility.
Was 13/14 an improvement on 11/12? Not really. Have we done any better in Europe? Not really. I'm not taking him for granted, you have to be of a certain standing and adhere to very high standards to manage a gifted squad like this, but eventually you will come unstuck if you don't move forward and progress with the constantly changing world of football.
A manager like Allardyce couldn't win the title with this side, he thinks he's flexible thus he could do a better job, but that really isn't the case. However, I would like a manager in the summer that recognises when a side must alter their approach. There aren't many around; Guardiola, Simeone, Ancelotti maybe, that's why I'd personally remove Pellegrini and bring in one of these managers if they became available any time soon. Until then, Pellegrini it is.
I think 13/14 was an improvement on 11/12, as we did do the double. We also took 15 points out of 18 in the Champs League last season albeit things are not going so well this time.
I do agree though that MP does not learn from his mistakes. I have been grumbling since the charity shield at how slow he is to change things when they are so obviously wrong. The game against Roma was another example. I think he believes in his system which is fine. I also think he realised he needed another mobile and athletic midfielder and a wotld class partner with pace to play alongside VK, to make his system work. It's too early to judge Mangala and Fernsndo yet, but their success or failure may ultimately decide whether we are improving or not and where MPs future lies. As it stands, I'm happy with him and trust his judgement.
Beefymcfc wrote:South Stand Balti wrote:AntMcfc wrote:Not particularly satisfied as of this moment. He's proving himself to be the next Wenger, coaching one system, failing to recognise his mistakes and rarely showing any signs of flexibility.
Was 13/14 an improvement on 11/12? Not really. Have we done any better in Europe? Not really. I'm not taking him for granted, you have to be of a certain standing and adhere to very high standards to manage a gifted squad like this, but eventually you will come unstuck if you don't move forward and progress with the constantly changing world of football.
A manager like Allardyce couldn't win the title with this side, he thinks he's flexible thus he could do a better job, but that really isn't the case. However, I would like a manager in the summer that recognises when a side must alter their approach. There aren't many around; Guardiola, Simeone, Ancelotti maybe, that's why I'd personally remove Pellegrini and bring in one of these managers if they became available any time soon. Until then, Pellegrini it is.
I think 13/14 was an improvement on 11/12, as we did do the double. We also took 15 points out of 18 in the Champs League last season albeit things are not going so well this time.
I do agree though that MP does not learn from his mistakes. I have been grumbling since the charity shield at how slow he is to change things when they are so obviously wrong. The game against Roma was another example. I think he believes in his system which is fine. I also think he realised he needed another mobile and athletic midfielder and a wotld class partner with pace to play alongside VK, to make his system work. It's too early to judge Mangala and Fernsndo yet, but their success or failure may ultimately decide whether we are improving or not and where MPs future lies. As it stands, I'm happy with him and trust his judgement.
Let's be optimistic, Pellers realised that the players needed game time together and decided that the more time on the pitch, the better they would become.
kinkylola wrote:If guardiola became available, I would make the switch, but not because I am unhappy with pellers. I think he's done a great job. His appointment was never a "long term" plan, if for nothing else but his age. He did reinvigorate our attacking play after seasons of increasingly ineffective stuff under mancini. He also got us the double and out of the group stage in the chumps league ...
I can blame pellers for his selection, that being said the effort level we get out of some of these players is appalling at times. The 2nd half of the moscow game, west ham, and previous games this season. I think we need a shake up with the players. There are plenty of opinions on who we need to move on, I think it's fine to say that the first to go should be the serial slackers.
His appointment was never a "long term" plan, if for nothing else but his age.
Cocacolajojo wrote:His appointment was never a "long term" plan, if for nothing else but his age.
I'm not saying you're wrong but how do you know this? Pellegrini talked about the project that he was promised like it was something every manager dreamt of. If you're right, it seems they sold him a right lie.
Nigels Tackle wrote:Cocacolajojo wrote:His appointment was never a "long term" plan, if for nothing else but his age.
I'm not saying you're wrong but how do you know this? Pellegrini talked about the project that he was promised like it was something every manager dreamt of. If you're right, it seems they sold him a right lie.
his age is irrelevant
he's only a year older than big fat sam who still has ambitions to manage real madrid and then england before he retires
Mikhail Chigorin wrote:Just wish Negredo was still here though.
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