City's main problem in Europe.

[Ted Hughes]

Mancini.

[freshie]

Inferiority complex/lack of confidence

[Ted Hughes]

Inferiority complex/lack of confidence

And he's already embarking on next year's campaign of inferiority, with his comments in the media about how these teams are better than us. Real didn't look a better side than City 2nd half, not at any aspect of the game. They looked like a side well within our target.

[sidSmith]

And he's already embarking on next year's campaign of inferiority, with his comments in the media about how these teams are better than us. Real didn't look a better side than City 2nd half, not at any aspect of the game. They looked like a side well within our target.

His version of reverse psychology is shit. Just makes us look like wimps. If only he could learn British sarcasm!

[Alioune DVToure]

Playing underexperienced (Nasty) or past-it (Maicon) defenders in an experimental formation against a team like Real Madrid. Twice.

Only Mancini to blame for that.

And I'm sick of all the talk of 'group of death' and 'learning curve'. Fucking nonsense. The Marcelo and Ajax (De Jong?) peaches aside, we gifted the opposition every goal in those five fixtures. And you won't concede 10 goals in your first five games and progress. Simple as.

I still love Mancini but, fuck me, have a little humility and learn from your stupid mistakes, man.

[Hazy2]

Poor start to every game. Conceding goals or possesion, Dortmund deserve to go through as they have been great away from home.
Mancini needs to sort himself out for Europe or as much as I hate Mouriniho he is right he has one more crack at it left and he is gone. Moving on lets beat Chelsea and turn this into a stroll to the title.

[Ted Hughes]

Playing underexperienced (Nasty) or past-it (Maicon) in an experimental formation against a team like Real Madrid. Twice.

Only Mancini to blame for that.

And I'm sick of all the talk of 'group of death' and 'learning curve'. Fucking nonsense. The Marcelo and Ajax (De Jong?) peaches aside, we gifted the opposition every goal in those five fixtures. And you won't concede 10 goals in your first five games and progress. Simple as.

I can fully understand the idea that we will need all these amazing tactical tricks in order to win the Champions League, but he himself says we have no chance, so why the fuck can't we just play each game with a nice solid team who are used to playing together ? Win a few, lose a few & see where we end up, then try to improve next season, etc etc. Instead we get this weird shit & it's been going on in Europe since he arrived, not just in the Champions League. We were battered even worse in the Europa.

[Ted Hughes]

Poor start to every game. Conceding goals or possesion, Dortmund deserve to go through as they have been great away from home.
Mancini needs to sort himself out for Europe or as much as I hate Mouriniho he is right he has one more crack at it left and he is gone. Moving on lets beat Chelsea and turn this into a stroll to the title.

He is on the whole a different manager in the Prem & quite possibly could end up with a better record than the face, if he stays here long enough (apart from v Arsenal, where he is useless).

Vinny potential injury worries me v Chelsea.

[Hazy2]

Poor start to every game. Conceding goals or possesion, Dortmund deserve to go through as they have been great away from home.
Mancini needs to sort himself out for Europe or as much as I hate Mouriniho he is right he has one more crack at it left and he is gone. Moving on lets beat Chelsea and turn this into a stroll to the title.

He is on the whole a different manager in the Prem & quite possibly could end up with a better record than the face, if he stays here long enough (apart from v Arsenal, where he is useless).

Vinny potential injury worries me v Chelsea.

Yep could be a doubt, Nasty looked good last night at times, his run with Tranny was great to see down the touch line and gave him a mouthful, this boy is gonna be good.

[Ted Hughes]

Poor start to every game. Conceding goals or possesion, Dortmund deserve to go through as they have been great away from home.
Mancini needs to sort himself out for Europe or as much as I hate Mouriniho he is right he has one more crack at it left and he is gone. Moving on lets beat Chelsea and turn this into a stroll to the title.

He is on the whole a different manager in the Prem & quite possibly could end up with a better record than the face, if he stays here long enough (apart from v Arsenal, where he is useless).

Vinny potential injury worries me v Chelsea.

Yep could be a doubt, Nasty looked good last night at times, his run with Tranny was great to see down the touch line and gave him a mouthful, this boy is gonna be good.

Some of the stuff Nasty did was excellent especially the moment you refer to (I doubt JL could have lived with Tranny there) but he is also still making 1,2,3 potentially match losing mistakes per game. He has got away with it over the last few games but it can't continue, the law of averages suggests he must get caught if he doesn't stop making such mistakes.

Lescott is a better defender & imo should be back in the side asap. The prospect of those 2 together v Chelsea fills me with dread though. They played together v Villa in the cup (admittedly with Kolo in some Bob tactical suicide formations ala Real/Dortmund) & were horrific.

[Goaters 103]

The problems are numerous, some of them in no particluar order below ...

- Horrible draws. Dress it up in bravado as much as we liked, that draw in August was a death knell and would have eliminated Arsenal, Chelsea and Man U too. Last years draw too also brought the toughest possible 4th seeded team, which we have had dumped on us both times

- Pissing around with the formation. Separating the Kompany/Lescott pairing has come far too early

- Poor performance from our big players; the crown jewell guys we rely on, Kompany, Ya Ya, Silva, Aguero etc simply havent been nearly good enough, often enough

- Bizarre team selections - Kolo Toure mysteriously inserted at Bayern, Maicon/Nastasic/Garcia all selected away at Real, swapping full-backs most of last season, Rodwell getting games over Milner this season. Very odd

- Conceding/giving away Mickey Mouse goals. In 11 CL Games we have kept 2 clean sheets - this season in 5 of them we have conceded 10 goals, have zero clean sheets and have given away ridiculous goals in every one of the games. You cant do that at this level of football

- The manager not knowing what his optimum XI or formation is. In two campaigns he still doesnt seem to know how we should line-up, in what formation and with what set personnel, either at home or away. The front players selection appears to be done by pulling names out of a hat; the full-back choices are possibly made by Mancini's wife, the midf axis changes all the time with Ya Ya the only constant and he's underwhelmed hugely

[london blue 2]

Playing underexperienced (Nasty) or past-it (Maicon) in an experimental formation against a team like Real Madrid. Twice.

Only Mancini to blame for that.

And I'm sick of all the talk of 'group of death' and 'learning curve'. Fucking nonsense. The Marcelo and Ajax (De Jong?) peaches aside, we gifted the opposition every goal in those five fixtures. And you won't concede 10 goals in your first five games and progress. Simple as.

I can fully understand the idea that we will need all these amazing tactical tricks in order to win the Champions League, but he himself says we have no chance, so why the fuck can't we just play each game with a nice solid team who are used to playing together ? Win a few, lose a few & see where we end up, then try to improve next season, etc etc. Instead we get this weird shit & it's been going on in Europe since he arrived, not just in the Champions League. We were battered even worse in the Europa.

Souness made the point that last year we earned 10 points in the champions league by playing 4-4-2. This year that would have seen us through comfortably. Why change?

[Swales4ever]

Partly Mancini.

Mainly, lack of seniority of the players in term of lack of coolness and total focus on the biggest stage.
When given the manager all the sticks he deserves, we cannot fail to note that, just to recall first evidences which spring to mind:

this campaign we have been in front in both the away games, most noticeably, at madrid with just 3+3 minutes to sweep off. see yesterday aftermatch comments by Joe Hart, as reference.

previous campaign, biased referee apart, at Munich we started dominating for 30 minutes, failing to score as usual. the first two balls that Gomes touched resulted in two goal.
the same happened yesterday, Sergio astonishing fails aside, even in the first half, when getting slaughtered because of a non-applicable system, Dzeko was assisted with a glorious opportunity in the middle of the box: deservedly or not we could have gone for the tea levelled on score.

I love our strikers and I have stated countless times that i would not swap any of them with none bar, possibly Messi, but I keep saying since more than two years that the MAIN problem of City, for where we aim to stay, is the lack of finishing accuracy by otherwise supremely gifded forwards.
when experience, men management, psychological aid, or whatsoever else, will turn our strikers into the clinical finishers that a Dominant Team must feature to prevail over top opponents, City will rule the world.
Either with Mancini or with Ted Hughes at the helm.

[sheblue]

Stubbornness
Lack of continuity
Messing with formations
Failing to learn from mistakes
Odd team selections

The list is endless

[Swales4ever]

Stubbornness
Lack of continuity
Messing with formations
Failing to learn from mistakes
Odd team selections

The list is endless

just to get it right, who play football games?
Is there a difference from Eidos's Football Manager and real game or.... it's manager fault when world class strikers miss sitters in front of the goals?

[sheblue]

Stubbornness
Lack of continuity
Messing with formations
Failing to learn from mistakes
Odd team selections

The list is endless

just to get it right, who play football games?
Is there a difference from Eidos's Football Manager and real game or.... it's manager fault when world class strikers miss sitters in front of the goals?

No but all teams will have that, look at Madrid over the two games if they took all their chances?
Other than players making mistakes on the field, There are other issues that have to be dealt with. And these are down to the manager and staff.
I like Mancini, I think he is a good manager, but he must learn from the last two seasons in the champs league.

[Hazy2]

Partly Mancini.

Mainly, lack of seniority of the players in term of lack of coolness and total focus on the biggest stage.
When given the manager all the sticks he deserves, we cannot fail to note that, just to recall first evidences which spring to mind:

this campaign we have been in front in both the away games, most noticeably, at madrid with just 3+3 minutes to sweep off. see yesterday aftermatch comments by Joe Hart, as reference.

previous campaign, biased referee apart, at Munich we started dominating for 30 minutes, failing to score as usual. the first two balls that Gomes touched resulted in two goal.
the same happened yesterday, Sergio astonishing fails aside, even in the first half, when getting slaughtered because of a non-applicable system, Dzeko was assisted with a glorious opportunity in the middle of the box: deservedly or not we could have gone for the tea levelled on score.

I love our strikers and I have stated countless times that i would not swap any of them with none bar, possibly Messi, but I keep saying since more than two years that the MAIN problem of City, for where we aim to stay, is the lack of finishing accuracy by otherwise supremely gifded forwards.
when experience, men management, psychological aid, or whatsoever else, will turn our strikers into the clinical finishers that a Dominant Team must feature to prevail over top opponents, City will rule the world.
Either with Mancini or with Ted Hughes at the helm.

Agreed, We do have a DVD now on how to take the sting from a game, the playing the ref from Di Maria to Benzema jumping to the floor as though shot, Keeper wondering from side to side with no urgency when taking goal kick is one for Joe, fuck the crowd, settle down and waste a min here and there. Sad to say we have messed up, But how you escape in Europe with a 1-1 is down to you not the ref or the crowd, they taught us a lesson we should have been using at the 1st game kill the game. We are naive as a club but Mancini is not and he needs to adjust his focus when we next qualify as I think he will get one more shot at it. TBH I think he does not have it for Europe just an honest opinion as we failed.

[Spurge]

Stubbornness
Lack of continuity
Messing with formations
Failing to learn from mistakes
Odd team selections

The list is endless

just to get it right, who play football games?
Is there a difference from Eidos's Football Manager and real game or.... it's manager fault when world class strikers miss sitters in front of the goals?

Agree to an extent - Maicon fell asleep, had he have been alert he should have dealt with Benzema's threat - thats not Mancini's fault. However as soon as we switched to 4 at the back we looked much more comfortable and 'playing to your strengths' is the managers responsibility

[pepsi_dave]

Results

[Tru_Blu]

CIty fans ARE becoming delusional. Real Madrid, should have beat them our first game but defensive laps. Second game should have beat them but again defensive laps. Dortmund no doubt was the better team thats why they finish above Real Madrid. Ajax was down to like you delusional fans think, overconfidence thinking this should be the team we beat. I blame players who play on the field.
In Mancini I Trust....win some lose some he is taking us places