Im_Spartacus wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:The only people not expecting this, are those who were stupid enough to believe that the media wasn't set up to support Manchester Utd previously.
It has always been: Utd, Liverpool, London (which also includes Utd & Liverpool). Then you have the proportional left overs from interest created by previous successes, such as Everton, Leeds, & now ourselves; we now have a few 'friendlies' in there, but mainly just as a 2nd or 3rd favourite.
The Liverpool contingent has been there, lurking, in all media kept in reserve for such an outcome as Utd slip up. They have an Arsenal 'firm' they could switch to if they had taken the chance to step up instead eg Dixon, Keown, Ian Wright, Merson, Charlie Nicholas, Ray Parlour, Seaman, Thierry Henry, Tony Adams, even Perry Groves etc etc etc there are shedloads of them spread through the media at all levels, even Vieira was recruited ages ago. Spurs have a firm ready to go; Hoddle, Redknapps etc.
The only club in the top 6 who doesn't have a media 'firm' is City & we won the fucking thing two seasons ago.
Probably because most of the ones you've mentioned are title laden footballers from their exploits with said clubs (obvious exception being spurs) which have had reasonably long and sustained periods of success over the past 30 years (hence the ex players aren't dead) and because of the success of their club at the time they retired, were sought for their 'currency' of opinion and either this have had a career in the media in one form or another, or have made enough appearances for them to be still in the public eye and be credible on the odd occasion they do get wheeled out..
Our successful and thus recognisable players are either dead, still playing or of those who remain alive from the 60s, never went into the media on retirement so have little experience to be thrown into the limelight, as was so obvious from summerbees "over exuberance"
Conspiracy theory my fucking arse
Ted Hughes wrote:
What a load of absolute bollocks. Michael Owen is there because of his multiple title wins & tv personality ?
Are you taking the fucking piss ?
Im_Spartacus wrote:
That the best you can do?
Michael Owen and Alan Shearer, both boring monotone cunts have been England's best strikers of the past two decades. Years after his retirement, shearer still gets the gigs on motd, because he is a big name. Owen has a contract and most probably will never get another one unless he improves sharpish. But he is a big name which is what got him the gig in the first place, perhaps with an expectation that BT will develop him.
So back to my point, which city big names can they roll out from the last 30 years?
zuricity wrote: Wasting your time mate.... But how about Mikhail Guramovich Kavelashvili That's quite a big name.
Hutch's Shoulder wrote:
All the Georgians had big names. Except Shelia.
zuricity wrote:Hutch's Shoulder wrote:
All the Georgians had big names. Except Shelia.
Jane Austen isn't a very big name.
Im_Spartacus wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:
What a load of absolute bollocks. Michael Owen is there because of his multiple title wins & tv personality ?
Are you taking the fucking piss ?
That the best you can do?
Michael Owen and Alan Shearer, both boring monotone cunts have been England's best strikers of the past two decades. Years after his retirement, shearer still gets the gigs on motd, because he is a big name. Owen has a contract and most probably will never get another one unless he improves sharpish. But he is a big name which is what got him the gig in the first place, perhaps with an expectation that BT will develop him.
So back to my point, which city big names can they roll out from the last 30 years?
Benjay wrote:Swings in roundabouts in my opinion. Two years ago every neutral wanted us to win the league. Tyler's Aguerooo was a case in point so was the reaction of most pundits on Tv. Now its Liverpools turn. If they win the league they may not get such an easy ride next season as evey defeat will be scrutinised to death like we are now. The press will evaluate us now - we are a major player now on the european league. The press fawned over Fergie and United but I sense that is going - they have been scathing of Moyes and the way United are run. Besides I dont want a fawning press. Everyone loves an underdog. We are no longer underdogs. We are the big brother so we just have to deal with it. Im surprised how popular we remain amongst the neutral despite our money - unlike Chelsea. Thats testament to our great club and fans.
Ted Hughes wrote:Im_Spartacus wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:
What a load of absolute bollocks. Michael Owen is there because of his multiple title wins & tv personality ?
Are you taking the fucking piss ?
That the best you can do?
Michael Owen and Alan Shearer, both boring monotone cunts have been England's best strikers of the past two decades. Years after his retirement, shearer still gets the gigs on motd, because he is a big name. Owen has a contract and most probably will never get another one unless he improves sharpish. But he is a big name which is what got him the gig in the first place, perhaps with an expectation that BT will develop him.
So back to my point, which city big names can they roll out from the last 30 years?
Why the fuck does it have to be 30 years for a start ? And what about ex managers etc ? How many times has Joe Royle been on City games in recent times ?
Hows about one time tv pundit, multi title & World Cup winnier Patrick Vieira who was a regular on tv when still associated with Arsenal, but has all but disappeared since he became more prominent at City ? Hows about Andrew Hinchcliffe who actually works for fucking Sky ? Hows about ex Sunderland & Manchester City scorer of the best goal in a league Cup final Dennis Tueart ? Sean Wright Phillips instead of Kevin fucking Phillips ? Paul Dicov ? Uwe Rosler ? Gary Owen ? We got David Platt until it transpired he wasn't baring a grudge & said nice things about us, then they fucked him off again, never to return. Shaun Goater, Richard Dunne, Stuart Pearce none of these played for Liverpool or Utd though.
So we get David James, Macmanaman, Didi Hamann, Robbie Fowler. If we play Spurs we might be treated to Clive Allen.
But who would do a commentary for City v Aston Villa, recent City/Villa Premier League cb Richard Dunne or former Manchester Utd left Villa in 1998 Dwight Yorke ? I think we all know the fucking answer to that one.
The era they played in has got fuck all to do with it. It's down to who they played for. If you think the number of Utd, Arsenal & Liverpool pundits on tv is an accident, you are a mentalist.
Im_Spartacus wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:Im_Spartacus wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:
What a load of absolute bollocks. Michael Owen is there because of his multiple title wins & tv personality ?
Are you taking the fucking piss ?
That the best you can do?
Michael Owen and Alan Shearer, both boring monotone cunts have been England's best strikers of the past two decades. Years after his retirement, shearer still gets the gigs on motd, because he is a big name. Owen has a contract and most probably will never get another one unless he improves sharpish. But he is a big name which is what got him the gig in the first place, perhaps with an expectation that BT will develop him.
So back to my point, which city big names can they roll out from the last 30 years?
Why the fuck does it have to be 30 years for a start ? And what about ex managers etc ? How many times has Joe Royle been on City games in recent times ?
Hows about one time tv pundit, multi title & World Cup winnier Patrick Vieira who was a regular on tv when still associated with Arsenal, but has all but disappeared since he became more prominent at City ? Hows about Andrew Hinchcliffe who actually works for fucking Sky ? Hows about ex Sunderland & Manchester City scorer of the best goal in a league Cup final Dennis Tueart ? Sean Wright Phillips instead of Kevin fucking Phillips ? Paul Dicov ? Uwe Rosler ? Gary Owen ? We got David Platt until it transpired he wasn't baring a grudge & said nice things about us, then they fucked him off again, never to return. Shaun Goater, Richard Dunne, Stuart Pearce none of these played for Liverpool or Utd though.
So we get David James, Macmanaman, Didi Hamann, Robbie Fowler. If we play Spurs we might be treated to Clive Allen.
But who would do a commentary for City v Aston Villa, recent City/Villa Premier League cb Richard Dunne or former Manchester Utd left Villa in 1998 Dwight Yorke ? I think we all know the fucking answer to that one.
The era they played in has got fuck all to do with it. It's down to who they played for. If you think the number of Utd, Arsenal & Liverpool pundits on tv is an accident, you are a mentalist.
Mate, have a word with yourself, your whinging is ill thought out and sounds pathetic.
But I'll take your points one by one:
* In the last 30 years, we have had very few people at our club who are newsworthy and has an irrefutable association with Manchester City. The fact that the high profile players we have had who have gone onto media work, Keegan, McManaman, Fowler, James, Hamman, Clive Allen have other club loyalties, is hardly sky's fucking fault is it? Royle will probably be wheeled out for the Everton game....but equally, your should remember there are foreign networks competing for these guys too.
* Andy Hinchcliffe is a co-commentator for lesser games, generally non-premier league games. Should he be in two places at once?
* Dennis Tueart (aside from being at retirement age, was on in the build up to the LC final, but why the issue if Niall Quinn equally fits the bill? You will obviously say 'Ah but he fucking hates City'.....yet funnily enough non-city fans feel he is equally biased towards us so how can they both be correct.
* Shaun Goater, Richard Dunne, Shaun Wright Philips (despite the fact two of them still play every weekend) - do you think that just because they are a city great, that should give them a divine right to be on the country's television screens? They haven't pursued a career in the media, nor at this stage have shown any suggestion they want a media career and so they don't get rolled out every few weeks like the contracted sky/BT team does.
And your final point, you completely contradicted yourself. Of course they come from Arsenal, Liverpool and United, because they are highly prominent players from the recent past, they are highly prominent because they played for a club during a reasonably successful era, hence the public know them, and the domestic broadcasters clearly feel the public like to hear their opinions having played at the top of the tree (whether we agree or not, that's how it works). The lack of success throughout the same period means nobody gives a fucking shit what our ex players have to say, and at the end of the day their business model is mass market, not kissing our arse.
If one day we are bigger draw than those 3, and have a backlog of high profile ex players who spent their career with us, THEN you can expect to see it change. Either way though, if anyone with an MCFC loyalty comes across like Summerbee did (great entertainment or cringeworthy, you decide), they won't be invited back anyway.
Original Dub wrote:Fair play to the Mirror - they have never even pretended to like us. Very consistent.
Anyway, here's a real beaut today. They manage to beat us with every stick possible in one article - the amount we've spent, the wages, the UEFA investigation and the "under achieving" in Europe.
Hats off.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... op-3419740?
Wonderwall wrote:Original Dub wrote:Fair play to the Mirror - they have never even pretended to like us. Very consistent.
Anyway, here's a real beaut today. They manage to beat us with every stick possible in one article - the amount we've spent, the wages, the UEFA investigation and the "under achieving" in Europe.
Hats off.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... op-3419740?
oh the irony when you look at the top 3 links next to that money table
1. Chelsea confident of landing £50m Diego Costa
2. Reus now wants a transfer to Utd as Moyes is given £200m to spend
3. Man Utd offer Toni Kroos £260k a week
Ted Hughes wrote:Im_Spartacus wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:Im_Spartacus wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:
What a load of absolute bollocks. Michael Owen is there because of his multiple title wins & tv personality ?
Are you taking the fucking piss ?
That the best you can do?
Michael Owen and Alan Shearer, both boring monotone cunts have been England's best strikers of the past two decades. Years after his retirement, shearer still gets the gigs on motd, because he is a big name. Owen has a contract and most probably will never get another one unless he improves sharpish. But he is a big name which is what got him the gig in the first place, perhaps with an expectation that BT will develop him.
So back to my point, which city big names can they roll out from the last 30 years?
Why the fuck does it have to be 30 years for a start ? And what about ex managers etc ? How many times has Joe Royle been on City games in recent times ?
Hows about one time tv pundit, multi title & World Cup winnier Patrick Vieira who was a regular on tv when still associated with Arsenal, but has all but disappeared since he became more prominent at City ? Hows about Andrew Hinchcliffe who actually works for fucking Sky ? Hows about ex Sunderland & Manchester City scorer of the best goal in a league Cup final Dennis Tueart ? Sean Wright Phillips instead of Kevin fucking Phillips ? Paul Dicov ? Uwe Rosler ? Gary Owen ? We got David Platt until it transpired he wasn't baring a grudge & said nice things about us, then they fucked him off again, never to return. Shaun Goater, Richard Dunne, Stuart Pearce none of these played for Liverpool or Utd though.
So we get David James, Macmanaman, Didi Hamann, Robbie Fowler. If we play Spurs we might be treated to Clive Allen.
But who would do a commentary for City v Aston Villa, recent City/Villa Premier League cb Richard Dunne or former Manchester Utd left Villa in 1998 Dwight Yorke ? I think we all know the fucking answer to that one.
The era they played in has got fuck all to do with it. It's down to who they played for. If you think the number of Utd, Arsenal & Liverpool pundits on tv is an accident, you are a mentalist.
Mate, have a word with yourself, your whinging is ill thought out and sounds pathetic.
But I'll take your points one by one:
* In the last 30 years, we have had very few people at our club who are newsworthy and has an irrefutable association with Manchester City. The fact that the high profile players we have had who have gone onto media work, Keegan, McManaman, Fowler, James, Hamman, Clive Allen have other club loyalties, is hardly sky's fucking fault is it? Royle will probably be wheeled out for the Everton game....but equally, your should remember there are foreign networks competing for these guys too.
* Andy Hinchcliffe is a co-commentator for lesser games, generally non-premier league games. Should he be in two places at once?
* Dennis Tueart (aside from being at retirement age, was on in the build up to the LC final, but why the issue if Niall Quinn equally fits the bill? You will obviously say 'Ah but he fucking hates City'.....yet funnily enough non-city fans feel he is equally biased towards us so how can they both be correct.
* Shaun Goater, Richard Dunne, Shaun Wright Philips (despite the fact two of them still play every weekend) - do you think that just because they are a city great, that should give them a divine right to be on the country's television screens? They haven't pursued a career in the media, nor at this stage have shown any suggestion they want a media career and so they don't get rolled out every few weeks like the contracted sky/BT team does.
And your final point, you completely contradicted yourself. Of course they come from Arsenal, Liverpool and United, because they are highly prominent players from the recent past, they are highly prominent because they played for a club during a reasonably successful era, hence the public know them, and the domestic broadcasters clearly feel the public like to hear their opinions having played at the top of the tree (whether we agree or not, that's how it works). The lack of success throughout the same period means nobody gives a fucking shit what our ex players have to say, and at the end of the day their business model is mass market, not kissing our arse.
If one day we are bigger draw than those 3, and have a backlog of high profile ex players who spent their career with us, THEN you can expect to see it change. Either way though, if anyone with an MCFC loyalty comes across like Summerbee did (great entertainment or cringeworthy, you decide), they won't be invited back anyway.
So you say 'have a word withyourself' when I mention a bunch of high profile City people then conveniently ignore most of those I've listed ? What sort of way is that to respond ? Just ignore what I've posted & carry on regardless ?
And no theey're not all working at the same time City are on, they are almost all available, every time. And Tueart is too old but Graeme Souness isn't ? Vieira isn't a big enough name ? Uwe Rosler can't make it at 4 on a Sunday ?
And where the fuck have I contradicted myself ? My whole point is that the media is geared towards those clubs for the very reason mentioned ? How the fuck can I contradict what I said in the first place ?
They have squads of rags, dippers & Arsenal people because they are interested in broadcasting to their fans. Whichever one floats to the top, they can seamlessly swap ten of theirs, for ten rags THAT IS WHERE THE BIAS COMES IN AND THE WHOLE POINT I AM MAKING. It's not fucking right, at all.
City won the league two years ago, the FA Cup previous to that & they can't even do us the courtesy of putting one person who is actually City, for balance, at any time, v any team.
As for Niall Quinn, 'fitting the bill' he is a Sunderland man, through and through. At the final, there were a whole bunch of City & Sunderland people. Some famous ex internationals WHO HAVE PLAYED IN AND WON THE LEAGUE CUP FINAL AND FA CUP FINAL FOR CITY AND SUNDERLAND. Who do we get alongside Quinn ?
Kevin fucking Phillips. Two Sunderland one Utd plus Marting fucking Tyler.
The media in this country is controlled by London, plus rags & dippers. We are an unwanted bad smell to these people & they have no intention of even trying to show us in a good light unless their bosses force them to.
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