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Ahhh,it's started this morning with Irani on TS. Congratulates us in one hand but ends each sentence with 'Big Money'.

Got to say though, his bitterness is making me smile.

Beefymcfc wrote:Ahhh,it's started this morning with Irani on TS. Congratulates us in one hand but ends each sentence with 'Big Money'.

Got to say though, his bitterness is making me smile.

Complete knob. I always find tubby Brazil quite fair though - for an ex-RAG. And good comedy pronunciations.

jamesafarren wrote:Maybe that's true but at the end of the day what's wrong with it? As a Liverpool supporter I'm delighted that Man City have won the title today and the way they did it was just incredible. It's not an easy thing to win your first Premier League title regardless of who you're playing. Most exciting thing I've seen in years. I suppose it compares favourably with Liverpool's Champion's League win in 2005.

Thank you, as has been said elsewhere, it is a very familiar financial model (in football, other sports and business in general) - owner invests capital, success follows, revenues increase to match expenditure. Nothing wrong with it at all. No different to the investment the rags had from the butcher that used to own them or from their new owners when the club was sold via the stock market. No different either from investment owners made in Liverpool FC in decades past to kick start their success.

This is only very loosely on topic, but so funny I had to share.

From a comment on a BBC story with the usual "buying the league" rubbish being spouted by assorted sad rags. Someone came up with this

"At least there is some comfort for United fans. They know which trains to catch from Euston when they become City fans next season."

It did rather amuse me.

Ironically as we do the things we need to do to become more self sustaining (i.e. new sponsorship & commercial deals, attracting new fans), things will only get more venomous. Bandwagon fans, corporate cronyism, we're already hearing it. Basically we were never supposed to be allowed to get to where we are. Well the cartel got a little too cozy and we've smashed it to pieces...whoops!

I'm thinking back to John Henry this week, who ridiculed our Etihad deal, then tried to win the nepotism sweepstakes himself with Liverpool's record kit deal. In light of recent events I wonder who is happier with their investment at this moment in time.

Bear60 wrote:

IanWright wrote:You know, the most telling statistic on that entire article is the fact that the Rags spent £6.75mil on Pallister, Webb, Phelan, Ince and Wallace. This was BEFORE they had even won a league title. I'd like to add Schmeichel into the mix as well. He was the world's most expensive 'keeper when he signed for them in '91, wasn't he?

Now, the fundamental point of all this is that Man Utd "fans" would have you believe that their successes gave them the funds to go out and spend big bucks in the transfer market. Fairy nuff- but where on earth did they get this money prior to '93? An FA Cup success in 1990? The Cup Winners Cup in 91?

The 'holier than thou' crap emanating from their collective orifices makes me sick.

It's very easy to say that Man City have 'bought' the league. In fact, it's a lazy argument. Yes, people will look at the record books in years to come, wonder how Man City got where they are, how they won the league to break the dominance of Man Utd and Chelsea and the simple answer would be; 'ridiculous investment at the behest of a foreign owner'.

However, if you were to look at the kind of money other big clubs have invested, and yet come up wih nothing (Newcastle, Tottenham, Leeds), it's a massive, massive achievement to win the league in spite of what was spent.

Great post mate. Rag fans have short memories.

Neal they have'nt got short memories it's just that all their fans now think football was invented in 1992.

Can anyone on here convert an Excel spreadsheet to jpeg? I have tied and failed :(

I have still got the figures since the PL started showing us and the "old top 4" I would like to share.

CTID Hants wrote:Can anyone on here convert an Excel spreadsheet to jpeg? I have tied and failed :(

I have still got the figures since the PL started showing us and the "old top 4" I would like to share.

you need to download a virtual image print driver, same idea as printing to pdf but does jpegs e.g. easy jpeg printer

Jon, I tried downloading a few bits but they were Shit and didn't convert the whole print area!!

Do you have it? I am up in Hull at the mo and laptop is up in my room. Happy to email it to you? Has your email.address changed in the last 10 years? LOL

CTID Hants wrote:Jon, I tried downloading a few bits but they were Shit and didn't convert the whole print area!!

Do you have it? I am up in Hull at the mo and laptop is up in my room. Happy to email it to you? Has your email.address changed in the last 10 years? LOL

If you click on the spreadsheet so it's the selected window and hold down Alt and Print Screen, it should take a copy of your spreadsheet window to the clipboard.

Then you should be able to go to the start menu-->acessories --> paint. Open paint and paste the image (CTRL+V) and then save it as a jpeg. (or what ever image type)

Is it not true that UTD earned what they spent by being successful City were crap until a rich man gave them some money to spend

magoo wrote:Is it not true that UTD earned what they spent by being successful City were crap until a rich man gave them some money to spend

No.

It's true that Utd spent fucking fortunes on players at a time when they were averaging 30 odd thousand & could only manage 23,000 v Wimbledon, because they knew the Premier League was on the horizon & after several years of finishing below a skint Man City, won it, cashed in & then did the same with the Champion's League, creating their empire by pushing up transfer fees & wages with money from their Chump's Lg exposure, and making it impossible for others to compete.

Shoe is now on the other foot. Watch it happen again & again in the future but to a team in blue. See how it feels . Take it.

magoo wrote:Is it not true that UTD earned what they spent by being successful City were crap until a rich man gave them some money to spend

You on here to try and help you decide whether to support City next year. I doubt you'll like it here though as we tend to use grammar, punctuation and proper sentance structure; so my advise to you would be to drag your knuckles back to whatever rag cunt site you usually frequent and fucking stay there.

magoo wrote:Is it not true that UTD earned what they spent by being successful City were crap until a rich man gave them some money to spend

For the rags to be critical of Sugar Daddies is hilarious. The rags have had more sugar daddies than Joan Collins has had husbands. If it hadn't been for quite a number of sugar daddies, the rags would have gone out of existence many many years ago. The whole of the City squad turned up to one of their jumble sales and donated cash to them, to keep them in business.
A large part of the initial income, that kick started and funded their post war - modern history came from the generosity of City, allowing them to play their games at Maine Road and giving them access to City's much larger crowds. There is a belief that they never paid the rent bill.
Their biggest commercial asset pre Premier League was their commercialisation of the Munich disaster, not only the groundswell of public and media support that helped fill their coffers but the manner in which the rags have ensured it has been continuously regurgitated by the press over the last 50 years.
Having educated you on that lot, I will now refer you to the G14, the blackmailing and coercion of UeFA by that group, the restructuring of the financial and competition rules that ensured that channels of income were put in place, benefiting only those clubs from the major nations and effectively wiping out fair competition from smaller and less powerful nations.
As the g14/UeFA issue is such a huge one, I will not spoon feed you but leave you to research it and educate yourself.

As you flag yourself up as a Carlisle fan, itamuses me to remember that great sugar daddy of your club...Mr Knighton.

john68 wrote:

magoo wrote:Is it not true that UTD earned what they spent by being successful City were crap until a rich man gave them some money to spend

For the rags to be critical of Sugar Daddies is hilarious. The rags have had more sugar daddies than Joan Collins has had husbands. If it hadn't been for quite a number of sugar daddies, the rags would have gone out of existence many many years ago. The whole of the City squad turned up to one of their jumble sales and donated cash to them, to keep them in business.
A large part of the initial income, that kick started and funded their post war - modern history came from the generosity of City, allowing them to play their games at Maine Road and giving them access to City's much larger crowds. There is a belief that they never paid the rent bill.
Their biggest commercial asset pre Premier League was their commercialisation of the Munich disaster, not only the groundswell of public and media support that helped fill their coffers but the manner in which the rags have ensured it has been continuously regurgitated by the press over the last 50 years.
Having educated you on that lot, I will now refer you to the G14, the blackmailing and coercion of UeFA by that group, the restructuring of the financial and competition rules that ensured that channels of income were put in place, benefiting only those clubs from the major nations and effectively wiping out fair competition from smaller and less powerful nations.
As the g14/UeFA issue is such a huge one, I will not spoon feed you but leave you to research it and educate yourself.

As you flag yourself up as a Carlisle fan, itamuses me to remember that great sugar daddy of your club...Mr Knighton.

Mr Michael Knighton what a fuckin chancer he was until the aliens abducted him lol.

How about this nugget of wisdom from rag cafe.

Most people seem to be upset that City have "bought" the league. But the real issue is how they actually got their money. Having a rich owner is cheating.

If not for Walker, Abramovich, and Mansour, the breakdown of Premier League titles would be as follows:

Rags - 16
Arsenal - 4
Everyone else - 0

What an exciting league that would be.

They have very cleverly built their cartel and consolidated power in such a way that the only way to really challenge it is to do what we've done. But it isn't the means that offends them, it's the ends. If we were "ruining football" for every other club in the country en route to distant 2nd place finishes every season, they wouldn't care a jot about the money except as something else to ridicule us about.

The moral outrage comes from the fact that we are threatening their hegemony and winning trophies that, in their arrogance, they believe they are entitled to.

It's a bit like an entrenched Mafia kingpin crying out against "dirty tricks" when someone else comes along who is even more clever, resourceful, and cutthroat.

The schoolyard bully just took one on the nose and is crying for Mummy.

Ezz wrote:-

Thanks Ezz, ihave had to cut into two pieces but here goes





Oh fook, now they are not big enough!!

Michigan Blue wrote:If not for Walker, Abramovich, and Mansour, the breakdown of Premier League titles would be as follows:

Rags - 16
Arsenal - 4
Everyone else - 0

What an exciting league that would be.

They have very cleverly built their cartel and consolidated power in such a way that the only way to really challenge it is to do what we've done. But it isn't the means that offends them, it's the ends. If we were "ruining football" for every other club in the country en route to distant 2nd place finishes every season, they wouldn't care a jot about the money except as something else to ridicule us about.

The moral outrage comes from the fact that we are threatening their hegemony and winning trophies that, in their arrogance, they believe they are entitled to.

It's a bit like an entrenched Mafia kingpin crying out against "dirty tricks" when someone else comes along who is even more clever, resourceful, and cutthroat.

I hate to piss on this particular parade, but we've only won 3 titles, not 4, since "football" began :(