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Sheikh Mansour & City Cannot Afford One Thing: Failure

Postby King Kev » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:39 am

I have just read THIS article and thought it was worth sharing.


The wrinkles have been ironed out and the squad investment has been made.

The tools have been bought and are being sharpened, ready for the real fights to come.

Without a doubt there will be massive spending in the future, but it wont be where many people expect.

It hasn't hasn't been without its issues, but Sheikh Mansour's period of ownership at Manchester City is pretty well on target, even though most of the world has tried not to notice.

Let me start by dispelling a few myths and clearing up a few facts for the readers of the "red tops" and the vast majority of football fans who fail to scratch the surface and so miss the detail.

Firstly, when ADUG (which is the company owned by Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed al Nahyan) bought the team, Manchester City were in a truly parlous state.

The previous owner, Thaksin Shinawatra had purchased some middle ranking footballers by taking out loans, guaranteed against the following season's TV revenues, but that wasn't enough.

On at least three occasions a private loan from John Wardle (the man who sold the club to Shinawatra) had made sure that the wages had been paid. These loans were in the region of £1m a time. Those short-term loans were repaid, but it doesn't hide the fact that Thaksin had all but bankrupted the club in a little over six months.

Thaksin also sacked Sven Goran Erickson and replaced him with Mark Hughes, a decision that has perhaps delayed City's more recent rise by two years.

But the Thai businessman had seen the writing was on the wall when the majority of his cash was frozen by the Thai government (and remains frozen). In very simple terms, Thaksin was not rich enough to be a Premier League owner.

What Thaksin did have though was contacts and it was through these contacts that Manchester City were sold to ADUG.

This company was remarkably generous from Day 1. But truth be told, it was generous even before it officially bought the club as it underwrote the purchase of Shaun Wright Phillips, and perhaps other players as well, which enabled the club to start the squad building they knew was needed.

The first big name to arrive at City under full ADUG ownership is the one that most people remember as it truly was a remarkable thing to watch happen. But that was also the wrong man to buy for footballing reasons.

It was, however, the statement that needed to be made for non-footballing reasons.

I think it is worthwhile to take a moment here and ask ourselves, "What investment would it take to make Bolton a contender for the Premier League title and get them into the Champions League?"

That is the same question that ADUG had to answer about City in the run-up to the January transfer window.

The answer of course, is a lot of money and better players (and perhaps a different manager?).

Let's also not forget that at the time of ADUG's early spending Liverpool were yet to implode so violently and Aston Villa were still there in the top five, with Spurs putting pressure on them ahead of City's challenge by at least two years.

So ADUG needed to spend big or stay out of contention.

But that was the point at which they made their first mistake. They were too honorable and stuck by Mark Hughes and backed him and his vision for success to the tune of some £150m.

It didn't work for many reasons, chief amongst them is the fact that Hughes simply isn't, and will never be good enough to win a title.

The players Hughes invested in were too old and too limited by injury.

They simply were not good enough and the Hughes-managed team would very likely have leapt from the 10th place to the top six, but would have been nowhere near good enough to get in the Champions League.

Also, because of the age and injury-prone nature of Hughes' team, even more investment would be needed sooner rather than later.

ADUG saw this too late to save themselves a lot of money and a lot of bad press.

They pulled the trigger on Hughes' reign and got a man of real quality instead in Roberto Mancini.

That change of manager was not perfect. But it was handled no worse than Spurs' appointment of Redknapp or the recent changes at Liverpool. But City lost the PR battle there and that, as well as the Robinho purchase, has stuck in the minds of far too many.

Once ADUG had their own man they also had free run at their own vision.

The money being spent now was (in the majority of cases) spent on young talent.

No more Wright Phillips's and more Adam Johnsons was the order of the day.

Although there are quite a few players kicking their heels during this period of transition, I am sure the board at City see that as a consequence of bad decisions going back two years. In simple terms, they can live with it for now.

The players who have been brought in under Mancini are young, eager and have the very best of attitudes. That means the emerging threat of UEFA's Financial Fair Play Rules have to be considered, but not worried about.

The spending of the last few windows need not be repeated again. It's about adding here and there rather than replacing an entire team.

As I said earlier, what would it take to make Bolton title contenders? The big investments in City have been made, time to tinker now.

The back room staff at City are hugely more capable than they were under Hughes.

It must also be said that away from the coaching staff very few people are appointed by Mancini, something that was not the case with Hughes.

From the kits that City fans can buy, the website that they interact with, the use of social media and the massive investments in the supporter experience with better food and a real family stand, ADUG has made an investment.

All of it provides the best that can currently be offered and that investment continues.

The Academy is also being developed at a starling pace with many millions already having been invested and many, many more millions to follow.

But the reality of today is that City are now seen as a big name, and that name has quality stamped all over it.

Not that shabby in just over two years.

City are associated ever more with Abu Dhabi and the best companies from the UAE.

These ties to the homeland of ADUG are key to City's future but they are also the reason why City cannot be allowed to fail.

More money will be spent if it is needed. No doubt people will scoff at the idea of Messi playing for City but it may happen in the next five years.

There is more to come as well.

City are to change the way football clubs do business.

UEFA's FFPR are the reason for that and City have the answers.

They are finalising the details of the new training centre, which will be developed close to the City of Manchester Stadium. It will be the best in the world and cost, some suggest, £100m.

Then there is the stadium itself, which currently holds about 48,000.

The plans are in place to increase that to a staggering final figure of 85,000.

But by the time that capacity is reached the stadium will be the jewel in the crown of an area which will have been changed beyond all recognition.

Best guesses suggest over £1bn (that's billion) will be invested in the area around the stadium in the next five to eight years creating a visitor destination of "international importance."

Once these pieces of the jigsaw are in place, Platini and his FFPR will be irrelevant as the revenue from that investment will be available to the football club.

None of this future development is predicated on City winning anything, but it is true that having a football club like that not winning isn't acceptable.

City will be changing the way a football club does many things and in City's case it starts with changing they way the club is viewed.

So City are already ahead of the game as many now consider them title contenders. Who would have thought that a mere two years ago?
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Re: Sheikh Mansour & City Cannot Afford One Thing: Failure

Postby 1664agreatyear » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:17 am

Great read,
Who wrote the article ?
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Re: Sheikh Mansour & City Cannot Afford One Thing: Failure

Postby King Kev » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:20 am

Somebody calling themself True Blue mate, it's on the link.

I wonder if it's the same True Blue that posts on here?
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Re: Sheikh Mansour & City Cannot Afford One Thing: Failure

Postby Slim » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:21 am

Very positive article, enjoyed that.
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Postby mr_nool » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:32 am

Slim wrote:Very positive article, enjoyed that.


Unless you're a Hughes-licker ;-)
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Re: Sheikh Mansour & City Cannot Afford One Thing: Failure

Postby Slim » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:41 am

mr_nool wrote:
Slim wrote:Very positive article, enjoyed that.


Unless you're a Hughes-licker ;-)


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Re: Sheikh Mansour & City Cannot Afford One Thing: Failure

Postby ian494 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:46 am

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Postby blue wine » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:51 am

nice read

all apart of the masterplan!
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Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:52 am

That was truly great read. Suprised though that an American would write one with such insight.
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Postby ross.mcfc » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:54 am

Good read. Excellent point on the sacking of Sven. We could have possibly have already won the league if he had been allowed to continue. The time and money lost in bedding in two different managers who both had poor to average starts has set us back alot.
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Re: Sheikh Mansour & City Cannot Afford One Thing: Failure

Postby brite blu sky » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:54 am

Good article. although not too many new insights tbh.. more of a trying to put the record straight. A bit harsh on Hughes as well, some of his signings have turned out to be some of the best players in the prem and some of the best characters at City and ignoring that and focussing on the negative doesn't do any credit to what he is trying to say about Hughes.

That aside and in terms of ADUG and the investment in east Manc it is going to be interesting seeing that happen as it will be impossible for the whole media establishment to ignore and as it is a story of incredible positivity that has plusses firing off it like an electron gun, even the sourest of the sour faced media will have to acknowledge it and what it is bringing to Manchester.

At the level of business it is going to be interesting too.. the basic concept being what can be achieved on the back of football. This will change the paradigm of the relationship between football clubs and the communities they operate in and football and the consumer market in general. I'm expecting some novel innovations to emerge from all this, as ADUG appear to be able to bring plenty of fresh thinking to things. can't wait to see it get going.
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Re: Sheikh Mansour & City Cannot Afford One Thing: Failure

Postby Wooders » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:00 am

I think its very harsh on hughes - yes he made some very poor buys - but you can't argue with Kompany, Zabba and De Jong - also, the majority of fans wanted SWP back so he can hardly be blamed for that either

I actually think the problem is we didn't appoint marwood earlier !
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Postby john@staustell » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:28 am

A good read and one that may be posted to Ollie Holt - interesting idea that they should have got different manager almost straight away, and not doing so has retarded development. Good hindsight.
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Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:34 am

Wooders wrote:I think its very harsh on hughes - yes he made some very poor buys - but you can't argue with Kompany, Zabba and De Jong - also, the majority of fans wanted SWP back so he can hardly be blamed for that either

I actually think the problem is we didn't appoint marwood earlier !



I also thought Hughes was sound transfer wise.

I to this day beleive his biggest weakness was being allowed all his own men around him. Don't need to know the inner most details to see we needed someone on the coaching staff with a lot more quality working with the goalie and back 4.
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Postby Slim » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:34 am

Wooders wrote:I think its very harsh on hughes - yes he made some very poor buys - but you can't argue with Kompany, Zabba and De Jong - also, the majority of fans wanted SWP back so he can hardly be blamed for that either

I actually think the problem is we didn't appoint marwood earlier !


I think we can all agree that the signings during Hughes reign were at best a mixed bag. The three you named are right up there with the best at the club, but on the minus column we have RSC, Ben Haim, Jo. (Yes, yes, Jo wasn't a Hughes signing blah blah fucking blah, signed while he was manager, conjecture not needed.)

However, while last season we had a collection of players who were very talented, now I think we can all see this is a very talented TEAM.
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Postby s1ty m » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:51 am

These owners are just getting going, I reckon. It's gobsmacking. Love them.
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Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:53 am

Slim wrote:
Wooders wrote:I think its very harsh on hughes - yes he made some very poor buys - but you can't argue with Kompany, Zabba and De Jong - also, the majority of fans wanted SWP back so he can hardly be blamed for that either

I actually think the problem is we didn't appoint marwood earlier !


I think we can all agree that the signings during Hughes reign were at best a mixed bag. The three you named are right up there with the best at the club, but on the minus column we have RSC, Ben Haim, Jo. (Yes, yes, Jo wasn't a Hughes signing blah blah fucking blah, signed while he was manager, conjecture not needed.)

However, while last season we had a collection of players who were very talented, now I think we can all see this is a very talented TEAM.


I agree.

Hughes did alright job in transfer market with unlimited resources. Some really good, some alright, some bad. But that was actually his strongest field. It was tactics, getting the team gel, stubborness in certain things which clearly showed that he wasn't (and will never be) cut out to be really top manager. I think one day he could be managing a club in and around top 6. Hell, maybe take some team to top 4 in some freak season. But he simply lacks the tools to ever be consistently really top manager. And THAT is the main reason why I never wanted him as our manager. Him being a dirty rag was just hangover wee on top of a cake made out of shit with Montezuma's Revenge filling.
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Postby blues-clues » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:58 am

A good article, missing a few details like the full nature and time scale of the development around the stadium but perhaps the biggest changes are yet to come. The club is just the first step towards a business that will be huge. The Sheikh is building Brand Man City. It wont happen over night but his determination and resources are evident already.

I have some misgivings about what is happening to the game and people's attitude towards City fans is already different but the tide has turned and its good to be blue!
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Re: Sheikh Mansour & City Cannot Afford One Thing: Failure

Postby Original Dub » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:00 pm

Hughes was fine for phase one of our project. So were his signings.

Mancini seems to be fine for phase two. So are his signings. Whether or not Hughes would have been able for phase two or more, we'll never know. We'll see if Mancini is able for phase 3 or more, but at the moment the signs are pretty good.

As for signings, its already been mentioned that we have unlimited resources, so it doesn't take a genius to work out that as time has gone on, we are attracting a better quality of player. How much that has to do with the manager as opposed to money, we'll never know.

Is it safe to say Hughes is responsible for Tevez?
I'd say its about as safe as saying Mancini's responsible for Silva.

Our main transfer targets are above the manager's head for the most part I would say.

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Postby Slim » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:17 pm

Original Dub wrote:Hughes was fine for phase one of our project. So were his signings.

Mancini seems to be fine for phase two. So are his signings. Whether or not Hughes would have been able for phase two or more, we'll never know. We'll see if Mancini is able for phase 3 or more, but at the moment the signs are pretty good.

As for signings, its already been mentioned that we have unlimited resources, so it doesn't take a genius to work out that as time has gone on, we are attracting a better quality of player. How much that has to do with the manager as opposed to money, we'll never know.

Is it safe to say Hughes is responsible for Tevez?
I'd say its about as safe as saying Mancini's responsible for Silva.

Our main transfer targets are above the manager's head for the most part I would say.

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